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13:39:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc ←
13:40:05 <josema> rrsagent, pointer
José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer ←
13:40:05 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05 ←
13:40:22 <josema> [*** add rest of log up to here ***]
José Alonso: [*** add rest of log up to here ***] ←
13:40:23 <Rachel> standards should be developed as building blocks, a solid foundation that can be expanded as needed
Rachel Flagg: standards should be developed as building blocks, a solid foundation that can be expanded as needed ←
13:42:03 <Rachel> Another strong case for simplicity is - who is the audience that will have to approve them? If non-technical folks must approve the standards, they must be easy to understand in layman's terms.
Rachel Flagg: Another strong case for simplicity is - who is the audience that will have to approve them? If non-technical folks must approve the standards, they must be easy to understand in layman's terms. ←
13:42:32 <Daniel_Bennett> good point Rachel
Daniel Bennett: good point Rachel ←
13:44:48 <josema> +1, and I believe the document is trying to do that (or was the original purpose at least :)
José Alonso: +1, and I believe the document is trying to do that (or was the original purpose at least :) ←
13:45:44 <josema> [Miguel on multi-channel and integration of both views]
José Alonso: [Miguel on multi-channel and integration of both views] ←
13:46:19 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
13:47:02 <josema> not to forget on the topic: http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/
José Alonso: not to forget on the topic: http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/ ←
13:47:53 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:49:07 <josema> [reviews text for paper]
José Alonso: [reviews text for paper] ←
13:49:43 <Rachel> Miguel - global approach to multi-channel...
Rachel Flagg: Miguel - global approach to multi-channel... ←
13:56:21 <josema> I think we should integrate, broadest view of the topic, also add MW4D more prominently
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José Alonso: I think we should integrate, broadest view of the topic, also add MW4D more prominently ←
13:57:28 <Rachel> how to find/manage government content on non-govt websites?
Rachel Flagg: how to find/manage government content on non-govt websites? ←
13:59:28 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:00:09 <Owen> I need to sign off to participate in the FIRM board meeting: http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html
Owen Ambur: I need to sign off to participate in the FIRM board meeting: http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html ←
14:00:10 <john> will ack you next Rachel
John Sheridan: will ack you next Rachel ←
14:00:21 <Zakim> -Owen?
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen? ←
14:00:29 <josema> [Owen leaves call]
José Alonso: [Owen leaves call] ←
14:01:06 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
14:01:37 <josema> [on YouTube, unmoderated comments, potential risks for children]
[on YouTube, unmoderated comments, potential risks for children] ←
14:02:12 <josema> Rachel: we are making sure that won't happen on YouTube Gov't channels
Rachel Flagg: we are making sure that won't happen on YouTube Gov't channels ←
14:02:37 <josema> ... also addressing accessibility, YouTube was/is helpful in working with us and understanding our needs
... also addressing accessibility, YouTube was/is helpful in working with us and understanding our needs ←
14:03:04 <josema> ... we also have the content somewhere else conforming to regulations, etc. YouTube is just another channel
... we also have the content somewhere else conforming to regulations, etc. YouTube is just another channel ←
14:03:14 <josema> ... hope this model will help other govs
... hope this model will help other govs ←
14:03:29 <josema> Daniel: everybody should publish locally and syndicate widely
Daniel Bennett: everybody should publish locally and syndicate widely ←
14:03:46 <josema> rrsagent, draf minutes
rrsagent, draf minutes ←
14:03:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
14:03:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:04:21 <josema> ... I don't think gov should force YouTube to have special rules for it
... I don't think gov should force YouTube to have special rules for it ←
14:04:52 <josema> ... but gov should publish locally in a syndicable format and YouTube should take care of getting content from there
... but gov should publish locally in a syndicable format and YouTube should worry about getting content from there ←
14:05:07 <josema> s/take care of/worry about
14:05:28 <josema> Rachel: putting them also on YouTube people finds them much easier
Rachel Flagg: putting them also on YouTube people finds them much easier ←
14:05:46 <josema> ... they don't think of gov when going there, but find the gov info there
... they don't think of gov when going there, but find the gov info there ←
14:05:58 <josema> ... helps them find the info in the place they use
... helps them find the info in the place they use ←
14:07:20 <josema> John: thank Miguel for the section on Multi-Channel, I see most issues there
John Sheridan: thank Miguel for the section on Multi-Channel, I see most issues there ←
14:07:36 <josema> ... and we need to move forward today to other topics, too
... and we need to move forward today to other topics, too ←
14:07:38 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
14:07:53 <josema> zakim, next agendum
zakim, next agendum ←
14:07:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "group note issues and pending actions" taken up [from josema]
14:08:07 <Rachel> what are next steps RE group note?
Rachel Flagg: what are next steps RE group note? ←
14:08:20 <Rachel> we're compiling comments on draft
Rachel Flagg: we're compiling comments on draft ←
14:09:12 <Rachel> making good progress on multichannel
Rachel Flagg: making good progress on multichannel ←
14:10:16 <Rachel> April 26 - comments due
Rachel Flagg: April 26 - comments due ←
14:10:46 <Rachel> "tracker" tool available - all should be using this!
Rachel Flagg: "tracker" tool available - all should be using this! ←
14:11:55 <Rachel> need to go through & standardize terms (e.g., e-gov, Egov, eGov, etc.)
Rachel Flagg: need to go through & standardize terms (e.g., e-gov, Egov, eGov, etc.) ←
14:12:43 <josema> issues: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
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14:13:34 <Rachel> US govt has an internal deadline of May 21 for open/transparent draft policy - so we need to have something ready by end of April, if our comments are to be included.
Rachel Flagg: US govt has an internal deadline of May 21 for open/transparent draft policy - so we need to have something ready by end of April, if our comments are to be included. ←
14:14:31 <Rachel> Charter is a separate workload item
Rachel Flagg: Charter is a separate workload item ←
14:15:05 <Rachel> should have charter drafted by mid-May, Josema will follow up
Rachel Flagg: should have charter drafted by mid-May, Josema will follow up ←
14:16:18 <Rachel> josema will ask for extension on this deadline, so we can focus on one thing at a time
Rachel Flagg: josema will ask for extension on this deadline, so we can focus on one thing at a time ←
14:16:21 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
14:16:29 <josema> next agendum
next agendum ←
14:16:57 <josema> RESOLUTION: jose to ask W3M for one month extension to publish note, develop 2nd charter
RESOLVED: jose to ask W3M for one month extension to publish note, develop 2nd charter ←
14:18:35 <Rachel> Josema - there are lots of standards already out there, many of which do not work well for government.
Rachel Flagg: Josema - there are lots of standards already out there, many of which do not work well for government. ←
14:18:36 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
14:19:19 <Zakim> +josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema ←
14:19:38 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
rrsagent, pointer? ←
14:19:38 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T14-19-38
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T14-19-38 ←
14:19:40 <Rachel> lots of tools out there that are not following standards
Rachel Flagg: lots of tools out there that are not following standards ←
14:19:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:19:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:19:51 <Rachel> we should help government find tools that follow standards
Rachel Flagg: we should help government find tools that follow standards ←
14:20:41 <josema> warning: W3C is vendor-neutral, no tools we can recommend
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Unknown warning: W3C is vendor-neutral, no tools we can recommend ←
14:20:58 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.557.aahh ←
14:21:19 <josema> zakim, aahh is probably Oscar
zakim, aahh is probably Oscar ←
14:21:19 <Zakim> +Oscar?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Oscar?; got it ←
14:21:38 <josema> regrets+ Kendall
regrets+ Kendall ←
14:22:54 <Rachel> W3C should provide a "path" to get to standards, explain benefits. Can't recommend specific tools.
Rachel Flagg: W3C should provide a "path" to get to standards, explain benefits. Can't recommend specific tools. ←
14:23:54 <josema> UAAG is a good example of what can be recommended: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/
UAAG is a good example of what can be recommended: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/ ←
14:24:11 <josema> ATAG, too: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/
ATAG, too: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/ ←
14:24:29 <Rachel> should address real-world problems by providing a path to standards that will help solve the problem
Rachel Flagg: should address real-world problems by providing a path to standards that will help solve the problem ←
14:24:39 <josema> no need to recommend a tool, but to recommend those guidelines and governments could choose compliant tools
no need to recommend a tool, but to recommend those guidelines and governments could choose compliant tools ←
14:26:40 <Rachel> provide use cases, examples of successful projects, to help others meet their goals
Rachel Flagg: provide use cases, examples of successful projects, to help others meet their goals ←
14:27:21 <Rachel> Next steps - provide comments on group note, and charter
Rachel Flagg: Next steps - provide comments on group note, and charter ←
14:28:35 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
14:28:37 <Zakim> -KEvin
Zakim IRC Bot: -KEvin ←
14:28:39 <Rachel> Thanks, all - lots going on!
Rachel Flagg: Thanks, all - lots going on! ←
14:28:42 <Zakim> -Sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharron ←
14:28:47 <Zakim> -Oscar?
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Oscar? ←
14:28:48 <Zakim> -Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←
14:28:49 <Zakim> -Ken
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ken ←
14:28:50 <Zakim> -Miguel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Miguel ←
14:28:54 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
14:29:00 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←
14:29:02 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
14:29:04 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
14:29:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +0203334aaaa, +1.512.305.aabb, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, john, Josema, +1.202.319.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, +1.509.464.aaee, Owen?, +1.703.994.aaff, Rachel, Ken, Miguel,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0203334aaaa, +1.512.305.aabb, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, john, Josema, +1.202.319.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, +1.509.464.aaee, Owen?, +1.703.994.aaff, Rachel, Ken, Miguel, ←
14:29:07 <Zakim> ... +1.202.626.aagg, KEvin, +34.63.557.aahh, Oscar?
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.202.626.aagg, KEvin, +34.63.557.aahh, Oscar? ←
14:29:11 <Rachel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Rachel Flagg: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:29:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html Rachel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html Rachel ←
14:29:27 <josema> rrsagent, stop
rrsagent, stop ←
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