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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 15 April 2009

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13:39:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc

13:40:05 <josema> rrsagent, pointer

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer

13:40:05 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05

13:40:22 <josema> [*** add rest of log up to here ***]

José Alonso: [*** add rest of log up to here ***]

13:40:23 <Rachel> standards should be developed as building blocks, a solid foundation that can be expanded as needed

Rachel Flagg: standards should be developed as building blocks, a solid foundation that can be expanded as needed

13:42:03 <Rachel> Another strong case for simplicity is - who is the audience that will have to approve them?  If non-technical folks must approve the standards, they must be easy to understand in layman's terms.

Rachel Flagg: Another strong case for simplicity is - who is the audience that will have to approve them? If non-technical folks must approve the standards, they must be easy to understand in layman's terms.

13:42:32 <Daniel_Bennett> good point Rachel

Daniel Bennett: good point Rachel

13:44:48 <josema> +1, and I believe the document is trying to do that (or was the original purpose at least :)

José Alonso: +1, and I believe the document is trying to do that (or was the original purpose at least :)

13:45:44 <josema> [Miguel on multi-channel and integration of both views]

José Alonso: [Miguel on multi-channel and integration of both views]

13:46:19 <john> q?

John Sheridan: q?

13:47:02 <josema> not to forget on the topic: http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/

José Alonso: not to forget on the topic: http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/

13:47:53 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:49:07 <josema> [reviews text for paper]

José Alonso: [reviews text for paper]

13:49:43 <Rachel> Miguel - global approach to multi-channel...

Rachel Flagg: Miguel - global approach to multi-channel...

13:56:21 <josema> I think we should integrate, broadest view of the topic, also add MW4D more prominently

(No events recorded for 6 minutes)

José Alonso: I think we should integrate, broadest view of the topic, also add MW4D more prominently

13:57:28 <Rachel> how to find/manage government content on non-govt websites?

Rachel Flagg: how to find/manage government content on non-govt websites?

13:59:28 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:00:09 <Owen> I need to sign off to participate in the FIRM board meeting: http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html

Owen Ambur: I need to sign off to participate in the FIRM board meeting: http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html

14:00:10 <john> will ack you next Rachel

John Sheridan: will ack you next Rachel

14:00:21 <Zakim> -Owen?

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen?

14:00:29 <josema> [Owen leaves call]

José Alonso: [Owen leaves call]

14:01:06 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

14:01:37 <josema> [on YouTube, unmoderated comments, potential risks for children]

[on YouTube, unmoderated comments, potential risks for children]

14:02:12 <josema> Rachel: we are making sure that won't happen on YouTube Gov't channels

Rachel Flagg: we are making sure that won't happen on YouTube Gov't channels

14:02:37 <josema> ... also addressing accessibility, YouTube was/is helpful in working with us and understanding our needs

... also addressing accessibility, YouTube was/is helpful in working with us and understanding our needs

14:03:04 <josema> ... we also have the content somewhere else conforming to regulations, etc. YouTube is just another channel

... we also have the content somewhere else conforming to regulations, etc. YouTube is just another channel

14:03:14 <josema> ... hope this model will help other govs

... hope this model will help other govs

14:03:29 <josema> Daniel: everybody should publish locally and syndicate widely

Daniel Bennett: everybody should publish locally and syndicate widely

14:03:46 <josema> rrsagent, draf minutes

rrsagent, draf minutes

14:03:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:03:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema

14:04:21 <josema> ... I don't think gov should force YouTube to have special rules for it

... I don't think gov should force YouTube to have special rules for it

14:04:52 <josema> ... but gov should publish locally in a syndicable format and YouTube should take care of getting content from there

... but gov should publish locally in a syndicable format and YouTube should worry about getting content from there

14:05:07 <josema> s/take care of/worry about
14:05:28 <josema> Rachel: putting them also on YouTube people finds them much easier

Rachel Flagg: putting them also on YouTube people finds them much easier

14:05:46 <josema> ... they don't think of gov when going there, but find the gov info there

... they don't think of gov when going there, but find the gov info there

14:05:58 <josema> ... helps them find the info in the place they use

... helps them find the info in the place they use

14:07:20 <josema> John: thank Miguel for the section on Multi-Channel, I see most issues there

John Sheridan: thank Miguel for the section on Multi-Channel, I see most issues there

14:07:36 <josema> ... and we need to move forward today to other topics, too

... and we need to move forward today to other topics, too

14:07:38 <josema> agenda?

agenda?

14:07:53 <josema> zakim, next agendum

zakim, next agendum

14:07:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "group note issues and pending actions" taken up [from josema]

1. group note issues and pending actions

14:08:07 <Rachel> what are next steps RE group note?

Rachel Flagg: what are next steps RE group note?

14:08:20 <Rachel> we're compiling comments on draft

Rachel Flagg: we're compiling comments on draft

14:09:12 <Rachel> making good progress on multichannel

Rachel Flagg: making good progress on multichannel

14:10:16 <Rachel> April 26 - comments due

Rachel Flagg: April 26 - comments due

14:10:46 <Rachel> "tracker" tool available - all should be using this!

Rachel Flagg: "tracker" tool available - all should be using this!

14:11:55 <Rachel> need to go through & standardize terms (e.g., e-gov, Egov, eGov, etc.)

Rachel Flagg: need to go through & standardize terms (e.g., e-gov, Egov, eGov, etc.)

14:12:43 <josema> issues: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open

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14:13:34 <Rachel> US govt has an internal deadline of May 21 for open/transparent draft policy - so we need to have something ready by end of April, if our comments are to be included.

Rachel Flagg: US govt has an internal deadline of May 21 for open/transparent draft policy - so we need to have something ready by end of April, if our comments are to be included.

14:14:31 <Rachel> Charter is a separate workload item

Rachel Flagg: Charter is a separate workload item

14:15:05 <Rachel> should have charter drafted by mid-May, Josema will follow up

Rachel Flagg: should have charter drafted by mid-May, Josema will follow up

14:16:18 <Rachel> josema will ask for extension on this deadline, so we can focus on one thing at a time

Rachel Flagg: josema will ask for extension on this deadline, so we can focus on one thing at a time

14:16:21 <josema> agenda?

agenda?

14:16:29 <josema> next agendum

next agendum

14:16:57 <josema> RESOLUTION: jose to ask W3M for one month extension to publish note, develop 2nd charter

RESOLVED: jose to ask W3M for one month extension to publish note, develop 2nd charter

14:18:35 <Rachel> Josema - there are lots of standards already out there, many of which do not work well for government.

Rachel Flagg: Josema - there are lots of standards already out there, many of which do not work well for government.

14:18:36 <Zakim> -josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -josema

14:19:19 <Zakim> +josema

Zakim IRC Bot: +josema

14:19:38 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

rrsagent, pointer?

14:19:38 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T14-19-38

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T14-19-38

14:19:40 <Rachel> lots of tools out there that are not following standards

Rachel Flagg: lots of tools out there that are not following standards

14:19:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:19:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema

14:19:51 <Rachel> we should help government find tools that follow standards

Rachel Flagg: we should help government find tools that follow standards

14:20:41 <josema> warning: W3C is vendor-neutral, no tools we can recommend

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Unknown warning: W3C is vendor-neutral, no tools we can recommend

14:20:58 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.557.aahh

14:21:19 <josema> zakim, aahh is probably Oscar

zakim, aahh is probably Oscar

14:21:19 <Zakim> +Oscar?; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Oscar?; got it

14:21:38 <josema> regrets+ Kendall

regrets+ Kendall

14:22:54 <Rachel> W3C should provide a "path" to get to standards, explain benefits.  Can't recommend specific tools.

Rachel Flagg: W3C should provide a "path" to get to standards, explain benefits. Can't recommend specific tools.

14:23:54 <josema> UAAG is a good example of what can be recommended: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/

UAAG is a good example of what can be recommended: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/

14:24:11 <josema> ATAG, too: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/

ATAG, too: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/

14:24:29 <Rachel> should address real-world problems by providing a path to standards that will help solve the problem

Rachel Flagg: should address real-world problems by providing a path to standards that will help solve the problem

14:24:39 <josema> no need to recommend a tool, but to recommend those guidelines and governments could choose compliant tools

no need to recommend a tool, but to recommend those guidelines and governments could choose compliant tools

14:26:40 <Rachel> provide use cases, examples of successful projects, to help others meet their goals

Rachel Flagg: provide use cases, examples of successful projects, to help others meet their goals

14:27:21 <Rachel> Next steps - provide comments on group note, and charter

Rachel Flagg: Next steps - provide comments on group note, and charter

14:28:35 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

[ADJOURNED]

14:28:37 <Zakim> -KEvin

Zakim IRC Bot: -KEvin

14:28:39 <Rachel> Thanks, all - lots going on!

Rachel Flagg: Thanks, all - lots going on!

14:28:42 <Zakim> -Sharron

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharron

14:28:47 <Zakim> -Oscar?

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Oscar?

14:28:48 <Zakim> -Rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel

14:28:49 <Zakim> -Ken

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ken

14:28:50 <Zakim> -Miguel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Miguel

14:28:54 <Zakim> -john

Zakim IRC Bot: -john

14:29:00 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett

14:29:02 <Zakim> -josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -josema

14:29:04 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

14:29:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +0203334aaaa, +1.512.305.aabb, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, john, Josema, +1.202.319.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, +1.509.464.aaee, Owen?, +1.703.994.aaff, Rachel, Ken, Miguel,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0203334aaaa, +1.512.305.aabb, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, john, Josema, +1.202.319.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, +1.509.464.aaee, Owen?, +1.703.994.aaff, Rachel, Ken, Miguel,

14:29:07 <Zakim> ... +1.202.626.aagg, KEvin, +34.63.557.aahh, Oscar?

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.202.626.aagg, KEvin, +34.63.557.aahh, Oscar?

14:29:11 <Rachel> rrsagent, draft minutes

Rachel Flagg: rrsagent, draft minutes

14:29:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html Rachel

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html Rachel

14:29:27 <josema> rrsagent, stop

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