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13:59:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:59:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
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13:59:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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13:59:53 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:59:53 <trackbot> Date: 18 February 2009
13:59:53 <josema> zakim, code?
José Alonso: zakim, code? ←
13:59:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), josema
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14:00:41 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
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14:00:48 <Zakim> +john
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14:01:08 <Zakim> +josema
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14:01:35 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aaaa
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14:01:53 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Daniel
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Daniel ←
14:01:53 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it
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14:01:55 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:02:17 <Zakim> +Rachel
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14:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aabb
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14:02:57 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aacc
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14:03:06 <josema> zakim, aacc is kevin
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14:03:06 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
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14:04:15 <Zakim> +Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen ←
14:04:43 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
14:04:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, josema, Daniel, Rachel, kevin, +1.202.626.aabb, Owen
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14:04:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
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14:06:50 <josema> zakim, aabb is Chris
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is Chris ←
14:06:50 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
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14:07:14 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:10:09 <john> good point!
John Sheridan: good point! ←
14:10:34 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:10:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Appoint a scribe, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
14:10:43 <josema> john: any volunteers?
John Sheridan: any volunteers? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:10:55 <josema> daniel: one more week and I'll do it
Daniel Bennett: one more week and I'll do it [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:11:07 <Zakim> +chris.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +chris.a ←
14:11:16 <josema> scribe: kevin
(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)
14:11:23 <kevin> Kevin to take on scribing for today
Kevin to take on scribing for today ←
14:11:47 <kevin> huh?
huh? ←
14:11:59 <kevin> John: agenda adjustment call
John Sheridan: agenda adjustment call ←
14:12:04 <josema> john: any agenda adjustments?
John Sheridan: any agenda adjustments? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:12:05 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:12:56 <josema> [john reads agenda]
José Alonso: [john reads agenda] ←
14:13:30 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:13:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Editor's draft" taken up [from josema]
14:13:49 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note ←
14:13:55 <kevin> Jose: takes on agenda item 2
José Alonso: takes on agenda item 2 ←
14:14:20 <kevin> jose: uploaded open government data section
José Alonso: uploaded open government data section ←
14:14:49 <kevin> Jose: oscar working on small start version for interoperability
José Alonso: oscar working on small start version for interoperability ←
14:15:06 <kevin> Jose: kevin has front end sections almost finished
José Alonso: kevin has front end sections almost finished ←
14:15:33 <kevin> Jose: all due next Wednesday so Jose has time to review and place in w3 formats for publication rules
José Alonso: all due next Wednesday so Jose has time to review and place in w3 formats for publication rules ←
14:16:15 <kevin> Jose: plain language target to ensure govts and others understand what is being communication, references also important
José Alonso: plain language target to ensure govts and others understand what is being communication, references also important ←
14:16:33 <kevin> Jose: participation section: pointers to reuse including references
José Alonso: participation section: pointers to reuse including references ←
14:16:35 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/26
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/26 ←
14:16:52 <kevin> Jose; interesting to review and reuse for that section for the writeres
Jose; interesting to review and reuse for that section for the writeres ←
14:17:13 <kevin> Jose: not all sections done for first draft: including multichannel section
José Alonso: not all sections done for first draft: including multichannel section ←
14:17:32 <kevin> Jose: expertise only on deliver of content on mobile devices
José Alonso: expertise only on deliver of content on mobile devices ←
14:17:56 <kevin> Jose: publish first draft first week of march in preparation for face to face meeting
José Alonso: publish first draft first week of march in preparation for face to face meeting ←
14:18:48 <kevin> Jose and John: getting content finished sooner than later to give Jose time over the weekend next week to review and compile
Jose and John: getting content finished sooner than later to give Jose time over the weekend next week to review and compile ←
14:18:58 <kevin> Jose: send whatever you have..
José Alonso: send whatever you have.. ←
14:19:20 <kevin> John: dont be fearful on where you are on the content, just submit it up and group can help
John Sheridan: dont be fearful on where you are on the content, just submit it up and group can help ←
14:19:32 <kevin> Daniel: will send draft
Daniel Bennett: will send draft ←
14:20:23 <kevin> Jose: forgot to say one thing: Kevin will take on final read prior to publication Kevin will have one or two days before publication date for review and adjustments
José Alonso: forgot to say one thing: Kevin will take on final read prior to publication Kevin will have one or two days before publication date for review and adjustments ←
14:20:35 <kevin> Kevin agrees and commits
Kevin agrees and commits ←
14:22:04 <kevin> Kevin talks about other factors that require documetnation outside of technical specifications
Kevin talks about other factors that require documetnation outside of technical specifications ←
14:22:56 <kevin> Kevin has used John's content for introductory piece and can build bridges and synergies with the content types
Kevin has used John's content for introductory piece and can build bridges and synergies with the content types ←
14:23:03 <josema> chair: john
14:23:10 <josema> regrets+ kjetil
José Alonso: regrets+ kjetil ←
14:23:11 <kevin> John: need to get as much stuff as we can.
John Sheridan: need to get as much stuff as we can. ←
14:24:27 <kevin> Chris is writing persistent URL piece with Anne
Chris is writing persistent URL piece with Anne ←
14:24:28 <josema> deadline: 25 Feb!!
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Unknown deadline: 25 Feb!! [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:25:08 <kevin> Jose: reviewing process and complexity
José Alonso: reviewing process and complexity ←
14:25:29 <kevin> John: editors draft agenda item complete
John Sheridan: editors draft agenda item complete ←
14:25:33 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:25:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Use Cases, graduation process, which ones?" taken up [from josema]
14:25:36 <kevin> John: move to item three
John Sheridan: move to item three ←
14:25:47 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer? ←
14:25:47 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-25-47
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-25-47 ←
14:26:04 <kevin> John: how we graduate use cases, what are our conclusions on what process is going to look like
John Sheridan: how we graduate use cases, what are our conclusions on what process is going to look like ←
14:26:12 <kevin> Daniel: what does it mean to graduate
Daniel Bennett: what does it mean to graduate ←
14:26:41 <kevin> Jose; compiling use cases to develop group notes, draft ideas and discuss use cases, topics in use cases, through mailing list
Jose; compiling use cases to develop group notes, draft ideas and discuss use cases, topics in use cases, through mailing list ←
14:27:09 <kevin> Jose; some use cases getting interesting and may want to reference use cases and make references in other documents
Jose; some use cases getting interesting and may want to reference use cases and make references in other documents ←
14:27:43 <kevin> Jose: some documents are normative and should be persistent all times, what moves beyond wiki to ensure it is permanently available
José Alonso: some documents are normative and should be persistent all times, what moves beyond wiki to ensure it is permanently available ←
14:27:55 <kevin> Jose: put somewhere else in a more stable location
José Alonso: put somewhere else in a more stable location ←
14:28:07 <kevin> Jose: dont need anything special from a functionality perspective
José Alonso: dont need anything special from a functionality perspective ←
14:28:09 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work ←
14:28:20 <kevin> Jose: process I have been working on now posted to IRC
José Alonso: process I have been working on now posted to IRC ←
14:28:34 <kevin> Jose: asks some rdfa for pages
José Alonso: asks some rdfa for pages ←
14:28:45 <kevin> Jose: builds index, etc, etc,
José Alonso: builds index, etc, etc, ←
14:29:08 <kevin> Jose: how does RDFa or semantic technology, not complex to use
José Alonso: how does RDFa or semantic technology, not complex to use ←
14:29:26 <kevin> Jose: group should review cases more before they are moved to graduated status
José Alonso: group should review cases more before they are moved to graduated status ←
14:29:50 <kevin> two different types of cases: describing specific projects and others about more generic problem that needs to be solved
two different types of cases: describing specific projects and others about more generic problem that needs to be solved ←
14:30:06 <kevin> Jose: some are already integrated in some other given sense
José Alonso: some are already integrated in some other given sense ←
14:30:38 <kevin> Jose: built on use case and should we graduate: Open government?
José Alonso: built on use case and should we graduate: Open government? ←
14:30:50 <kevin> Jose: should not be complex process...
José Alonso: should not be complex process... ←
14:31:19 <josema> present+ Joe
José Alonso: present+ Joe ←
14:31:21 <kevin> Joe: what is the ulimate goal of group? egov activities?
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Unknown Joe: what is the ulimate goal of group? egov activities? ←
14:32:15 <kevin> John: mediates role to address practical problems using w3 specifications including public policy item, ie services for children, renew taxres
John Sheridan: mediates role to address practical problems using w3 specifications including public policy item, ie services for children, renew taxres ←
14:32:25 <kevin> how is public money being spent
how is public money being spent ←
14:32:30 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer? ←
14:32:30 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-32-30
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-32-30 ←
14:32:36 <kevin> increasingly using the web
increasingly using the web ←
14:32:48 <kevin> two different worlds: technology and public policy items
two different worlds: technology and public policy items ←
14:33:08 <kevin> John: intermediary between both
John Sheridan: intermediary between both ←
14:33:40 <kevin> John: need to have coherent thoughts addressing public policy objectives with the outputs of the group related to techncl
John Sheridan: need to have coherent thoughts addressing public policy objectives with the outputs of the group related to techncl ←
14:33:51 <kevin> how they are specifically using w3 specifications
how they are specifically using w3 specifications ←
14:34:01 <kevin> govt audience and technology audience
...govt audience and technology audience ←
14:34:23 <kevin> better understand problems, issues, and challenges
...better understand problems, issues, and challenges ←
14:34:36 <kevin> Joe: goes along with work he is trying to do
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Unknown Joe: goes along with work he is trying to do ←
14:34:46 <kevin> Joe: use case should use government data
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Unknown Joe: use case should use government data ←
14:34:58 <kevin> retool and show demonstration of approach
...retool and s...how demonstration of approach ←
14:35:09 <josema> s/retool/...retool
14:35:20 <josema> s/how/...how
14:35:23 <josema> s/govt/...govt
14:35:37 <josema> s/better/...better
14:35:39 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
14:35:54 <josema> kevin: we need to show people how practical an standard can be
Kevin Novak: we need to show people how practical an standard can be ←
14:36:08 <josema> ... difficult for a policy person how to relate this to his needs
... difficult for a policy person how to relate this to his needs ←
14:36:28 <josema> joe: a big piece of W3C visibility within gov is Accessibility
Daniel Bennett: a big piece of W3C visibility within gov is Accessibility ←
14:36:44 <josema> kevin: I believe on Acc. and I promote it much
Kevin Novak: I believe on Acc. and I promote it much ←
14:36:57 <josema> ... but the way W3C work is very good for technical people
... but the way W3C work is very good for technical people ←
14:37:08 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: w3c accessibility is a major set of standards that can be brought out to govts and public
Daniel Bennett: w3c accessibility is a major set of standards that can be brought out to govts and public [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:37:23 <josema> s/joe:/daniel:
14:37:52 <josema> ... but difficult to trumpet that within an organization to other profiles
... but difficult to trumpet that within an organization to other profiles ←
14:38:04 <josema> [missed the other example]
14:38:11 <kevin> Chris: agrees
Christopher Testa: agrees [ Scribe Assist by Kevin Novak ] ←
14:38:12 <josema> s/missed/scribe missed
14:38:18 <josema> scribe: kevin
(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)
14:38:32 <kevin> Joe and Daniel include in statml document
Joe and Daniel include in statml document ←
14:38:46 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: make sure captured in stratml doc
Daniel Bennett: make sure captured in stratml doc [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:39:03 <kevin> John: we ahve a criteria for use cases to back up that convernsation
John Sheridan: we have a criteria for use cases to back up that convernsation ←
14:39:15 <josema> s/[missed the other example]//
José Alonso: s/[missed the other example]// (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:39:24 <josema> s/[scribe missed the other example]//
14:39:34 <kevin> John: which is we want use cases to capture real world experience and not abstract
John Sheridan: which is we want use cases to capture real world experience and not abstract ←
14:39:58 <kevin> what does it mean" those use cases that talk about practical items and have author address
...what does it mean" those use cases that talk about practical items and have author address ←
14:40:09 <josema> s/what/...what
14:40:16 <josema> s/ahve/have
14:40:48 <josema> kevin: group to go through use cases, aggregate knowledge in there before graduating
Kevin Novak: group to go through use cases, aggregate knowledge in there before graduating [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:40:54 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: how do we capture interest/readership in the use cases?
Daniel Bennett: how do we capture interest/readership in the use cases? [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:40:55 <kevin> Joe: stratml good case of applicability
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Unknown Joe: stratml good case of applicability ←
14:41:16 <kevin> Daniel: how should group members have responsiblity
Daniel Bennett: how should group members have responsiblity ←
14:41:32 <Daniel_Bennett> yes
Daniel Bennett: yes ←
14:42:10 <kevin> John: presumably one of the things we need is to get use cases graduate prior to face to face and paper publication so that they can be cited and referenced in the paper
John Sheridan: presumably one of the things we need is to get use cases graduate prior to face to face and paper publication so that they can be cited and referenced in the paper ←
14:42:24 <kevin> John: we will always want to be collecting and discussing use cases
John Sheridan: we will always want to be collecting and discussing use cases ←
14:42:37 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
14:42:38 <kevin> Alot we dont know about out there,
a lot we dont know about out there, ←
14:42:45 <josema> s/Alot/a lot
14:42:53 <josema> s/a lot/...a lot
14:43:15 <kevin> John: answer to question: give same period of time to look at use cases to look through adn add practical examples etc ebfore graduating
John Sheridan: answer to question: give same period of time to look at use cases to look through adn add practical examples etc ebfore graduating ←
14:43:27 <kevin> John: add what we have to add
John Sheridan: add what we have to add ←
14:43:28 <josema> q+ to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD
José Alonso: q+ to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD ←
14:43:55 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: will we have time at the F2F to go through each of the use cases?
Daniel Bennett: will we have time at the F2F to go through each of the use cases? [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:44:19 <kevin> Kevin: yes we should build that into the agenda
Kevin Novak: yes we should build that into the agenda ←
14:44:44 <kevin> John: we havent really finished defining criteria for graduating use cases
John Sheridan: we havent really finished defining criteria for graduating use cases ←
14:45:03 <kevin> Daniel: opportunity of face to face should be to define
Daniel Bennett: opportunity of face to face should be to define ←
14:45:14 <kevin> Joe agrees
Joe agrees ←
14:45:24 <kevin> Kevin agrees
Kevin agrees ←
14:45:47 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
14:46:08 <john> ok
John Sheridan: ok ←
14:46:15 <john> we're waiting for you
John Sheridan: we're waiting for you ←
14:46:24 <Zakim> +josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema ←
14:46:52 <kevin> Jose: question is that but I already know the answer: do you expect use cases to be linked to first public working draft
José Alonso: question is that but I already know the answer: do you expect use cases to be linked to first public working draft ←
14:48:26 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: agrees
Daniel Bennett: agrees [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:48:36 <kevin> Kevin: goal to finalize use cases at face to face to ready for publication
Kevin Novak: goal to finalize use cases at face to face to ready for publication ←
14:50:29 <kevin> John: done with graduating use cases
John Sheridan: done with graduating use cases ←
14:50:34 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:50:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, josema ←
14:50:35 <kevin> JOhn: move on to face to face
John Sheridan: move on to face to face ←
14:50:41 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:50:44 <josema> ack me
José Alonso: ack me ←
14:50:44 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you wanted to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD ←
14:50:48 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:50:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)" taken up [from josema]
14:51:04 <kevin> JOhn: signing up and level of interest
John Sheridan: signing up and level of interest ←
14:51:26 <kevin> Jose: we have last I looked 24 people registered, six people via remote
José Alonso: we have last I looked 24 people registered, six people via remote ←
14:51:34 <kevin> less than capacity
...less than capacity ←
14:51:45 <josema> s/less/...less
14:51:51 <josema> s/JOhn/John
14:52:04 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
14:52:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: I will add in Julie Germany of IPDI/GWU
Daniel Bennett: I will add in Julie Germany of IPDI/GWU [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:52:13 <josema> kevin: can hold up to 60, more if needed
Kevin Novak: can hold up to 60, more if needed ←
14:52:30 <josema> ... Chairs talked to Karen, Ian (W3C) considering a PR next week
... Chairs talked to Karen, Ian (W3C) considering a PR next week ←
14:52:44 <josema> ... I'll meet with Sunlight later today
... I'll meet with Sunlight later today ←
14:52:51 <josema> ... looking forward to other opps
... looking forward to other opps ←
14:53:20 <josema> daniel: are we looking more for folks outside or inside gov?
Daniel Bennett: are we looking more for folks outside or inside gov? ←
14:53:37 <josema> kevin: both, maybe more from inside as it's developing so far
Kevin Novak: both, maybe more from inside as it's developing so far ←
14:53:53 <josema> ... in my previous position I got to know their work
... in my previous position I got to know their work ←
14:53:59 <josema> ... very active and useful
... very active and useful ←
14:54:18 <josema> [scribe missed a question]
14:54:19 <kevin> Chris: what is the current representation?
Christopher Testa: what is the current representation? [ Scribe Assist by Kevin Novak ] ←
14:54:26 <kevin> looks like about half
Kevin Novak: looks like about half ←
14:54:29 <josema> s/[scribe missed a question]//
14:54:33 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: looks like a half
Daniel Bennett: ...looks like a half [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:54:34 <josema> s/looks/...looks
14:54:47 <kevin> whould go after those responsible for web content and formats.
Kevin Novak: ...would go after those responsible for web content and formats. ←
14:55:12 <josema> s/whould/...would
14:55:43 <josema> kevin: also jose reminded me of Web Managers Roundtable I'm hosting the day before the meeting
Kevin Novak: also jose reminded me of Web Managers Roundtable I'm hosting the day before the meeting ←
14:55:47 <Zakim> -Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen ←
14:55:55 <josema> ... lady in charge will help me outreach
... lady in charge will help me outreach ←
14:56:17 <josema> ... considering Bev Godwin, also @@
... considering Bev Godwin, also @@ ←
14:56:36 <josema> daniel: I'll also see if I can outreach to people in congress
Daniel Bennett: I'll also see if I can outreach to people in congress ←
14:56:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: I will check into congress
Daniel Bennett: I will check into congress [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
14:56:57 <josema> joe: I personally emaill @@@ CTO of GPO, so he knows about it
Scribe problem: the name 'joe' does not match any of the 40 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett David Osimo Ilker Karakas John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown joe: I personally emaill @@@ CTO of GPO, so he knows about it ←
14:57:21 <josema> chris: I meet this week with CIOC and will tell them, too
Christopher Testa: I meet this week with CIOC and will tell them, too ←
14:58:14 <josema> john: how to structure the meeting, in terms of what we need to achieve
John Sheridan: how to structure the meeting, in terms of what we need to achieve ←
14:58:30 <josema> ... we had some discussion at the Chairs call last week and by email
... we had some discussion at the Chairs call last week and by email ←
14:58:39 <kevin> what are people's views to ahve high energy level
Kevin Novak: what are people's views to ahve high energy level ←
14:58:44 <kevin> want interaction
Kevin Novak: want interaction ←
14:58:47 <josema> scribe: kevin
(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)
14:58:56 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
14:59:13 <chris> Have to leave the call. Thanks all.
Christopher Testa: Have to leave the call. Thanks all. ←
14:59:23 <josema> kevin: participation last time when W3C organized the workshop was great
Kevin Novak: participation last time when W3C organized the workshop was great ←
14:59:28 <josema> ... it was a productive dialogue
... it was a productive dialogue ←
14:59:30 <kevin> barcamp style
Kevin Novak: barcamp style ←
14:59:34 <Zakim> -chris.a
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Zakim IRC Bot: -chris.a ←
14:59:42 <josema> scribe: kevin
(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)
15:00:18 <kevin> be really careful to set expectations in the right way
... be really careful to set expectations in the right way ←
15:00:25 <kevin> have good coversation
... have good coversation ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> -Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←
15:00:45 <josema> [chris, rachel leave the call]
José Alonso: [chris, rachel leave the call] ←
15:01:17 <josema> q+ to talk about two faces of transparency
José Alonso: q+ to talk about two faces of transparency ←
15:02:46 <josema> q+ to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs
José Alonso: q+ to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs ←
15:02:50 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
15:03:11 <josema> s/be/... be
15:03:16 <josema> s/have/... have
15:04:35 <josema> [how to make governments release more data, and why, and how]
José Alonso: [how to make governments release more data, and why, and how] ←
15:04:58 <josema> [balance between people that need to release the data and the ones that will consume it]
José Alonso: [balance between people that need to release the data and the ones that will consume Them] ←
15:05:02 <josema> s/it/Them
15:05:06 <josema> s/Them/them
15:05:12 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer? ←
15:05:12 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-05-12
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-05-12 ←
15:05:18 <josema> rrsagent, draf minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draf minutes ←
15:05:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:05:22 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:05:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:05:51 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
15:05:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Daniel, kevin, Chris, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Daniel, kevin, Chris, josema ←
15:05:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vagner, Daniel_Bennett, kevin, Owen, RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vagner, Daniel_Bennett, kevin, Owen, RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
15:06:00 <josema> present+ joe
José Alonso: present+ joe ←
15:06:26 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel was on the phone call till a minute ago
Daniel Bennett: Rachel was on the phone call till a minute ago ←
15:06:41 <Zakim> +Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen ←
15:06:56 <josema> zakim, list attendees
José Alonso: zakim, list attendees ←
15:06:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris ←
15:07:04 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:07:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:07:39 <josema> joe: put the data out there is fine, but how and in what format?
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Unknown joe: put the data out there is fine, but how and in what format? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:07:56 <josema> ... if the Group could answer this question, it would be helpful for govs
José Alonso: ... if the Group could answer this question, it would be helpful for govs ←
15:07:59 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
15:08:07 <john> ack josema
John Sheridan: ack josema ←
15:08:07 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to talk about two faces of transparency and to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you wanted to talk about two faces of transparency and to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs ←
15:12:35 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
15:13:25 <kevin> sorry was busy paying attention
sorry was busy paying attention ←
15:13:28 <josema> [jose on two faces of transparency and W3C stack vs. government needs]
José Alonso: [jose on two faces of transparency and W3C stack vs. government needs] ←
15:13:38 <kevin> owen back on call
owen back on call ←
15:13:58 <kevin> accessibility: creating tables to relate info to other agencies
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Unknown accessibility: creating tables to relate info to other agencies ←
15:14:08 <josema> scribe: kevin
15:14:10 <kevin> took data and put things on the web
took data and put things on the web ←
15:14:34 <kevin> Paper solution was paper solution that now needs to evolve to new interoperability standard
Paper solution was paper solution that now needs to evolve to new interoperability standard ←
15:14:40 <kevin> very much hard to do
15:14:48 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
15:14:52 <kevin> John : pull back to how we cope with issues
John : pull back to how we cope with issues ←
15:15:17 <kevin> John: half and idea, and how do we actually try to get these issues into the face to face
John Sheridan: half and idea, and how do we actually try to get these issues into the face to face ←
15:15:35 <josema> s/very much hard to do//
15:15:46 <kevin> split one day for provocation and one about reflection
...split one day for provocation and one about reflection ←
15:15:56 <josema> [john on having provocation + reflection]
José Alonso: [john on having provocation + reflection] ←
15:16:02 <kevin> Kevin: helps to define year two of group work
Kevin Novak: helps to define year two of group work ←
15:16:10 <josema> s/split/...split
15:16:11 <kevin> response and solution approach
...response and solution approach ←
15:16:25 <kevin> provocation and reflection for structure
...provocation and reflection for structure ←
15:16:35 <kevin> we all like that concept
[we all like that concept] ←
15:16:49 <josema> s/response/...response
15:17:01 <josema> s/provocation/...provocation
15:17:15 <josema> s/we all like that concept/[we all like that concept]
15:17:25 <kevin> through out challenges etc in first day
John Sheridan: through out challenges etc in first day ←
15:17:39 <josema> s/through/john: through
15:18:03 <kevin> provoke and discuss issues and turn them into solutions, what do we need to do, do we agree? waht do we need to do to solve the problem issue, etc
provoke and discuss issues and turn them into solutions, what do we need to do, do we agree? wha do we need to do to solve the problem issue, etc ←
15:18:12 <josema> s/waht/wha
15:18:16 <josema> s/wha/what
15:18:33 <kevin> promote exploration
promote exploration ←
15:19:12 <josema> kevin: if we go through all the issues and challenges alone in one day, can have negative energy
Kevin Novak: if we go through all the issues and challenges alone in one day, can have negative energy [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:19:33 <josema> ... but if use half day for that, half for reflections, could be good
José Alonso: ... but if use half day for that, half for reflections, could be good ←
15:19:40 <josema> ... then come back next day to build on it
José Alonso: ... then come back next day to build on it ←
15:19:53 <kevin> Kevin: and turn the next day into the solutions and path forward leading to next year work plan and improving current work and direction
Kevin Novak: and turn the next day into the solutions and path forward leading to next year work plan and improving current work and direction ←
15:20:22 <kevin> John: be fliexible,
John Sheridan: be flexible, ←
15:20:33 <kevin> Joe: not have owners be reflectors
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Unknown Joe: not have owners be reflectors ←
15:20:33 <josema> s/fliexible/flexible
15:20:43 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:20:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:20:58 <kevin> much more positive perspective
much more positive perspective ←
15:21:10 <josema> regrets+ robin
José Alonso: regrets+ robin ←
15:21:35 <josema> Owen: remember that the reference models are being updated
Owen Ambur: remember that the reference models are being updated [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:21:42 <kevin> Owen, FA TRM doesnt include many of the reference models from w3
Owen, FA TRM doesnt include many of the reference models from w3 ←
15:21:51 <kevin> link to component service model
link to component service model ←
15:21:52 <josema> ... many W3C stds not there, one objective could be to incorporate them
José Alonso: ... many W3C stds not there, one objective could be to incorporate them ←
15:22:00 <josema> ... just in brainstorming mode, now
José Alonso: ... just in brainstorming mode, now ←
15:22:31 <josema> [what is the problem those models are trying to address, food for thought]
José Alonso: [what is the problem those models are trying to address, food for thought] ←
15:25:38 <kevin> John and Kevin: use every tool in tool box that transends technical tools and solutions but also public policy
John and Kevin: use every tool in tool box that transends technical tools and solutions but also public policy ←
15:25:45 <kevin> Joe: talk about purpose
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Unknown Joe: talk about purpose ←
15:25:50 <kevin> accessibly
accessibility ←
15:26:04 <josema> s/accessibly/accessibility
15:27:40 <josema> ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page
ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page ←
15:27:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jose
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jose ←
15:27:49 <josema> ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page
ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page ←
15:27:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-02-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-45 - Send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-02-25]. ←
15:28:53 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
15:28:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Where and how to position the Group?" taken up [from josema]
15:30:03 <josema> [support from Comm/Karen]
José Alonso: [support from Comm/Karen] ←
15:31:33 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←
15:31:40 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks
Daniel Bennett: thanks ←
15:31:46 <Zakim> -Chris
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chris ←
15:31:58 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
15:31:59 <Zakim> -Daniel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel ←
15:32:00 <Zakim> -Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen ←
15:32:02 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
15:32:37 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:32:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:37:02 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, josema, in T&S_EGOV()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, josema, in T&S_EGOV()9:00AM ←
15:37:05 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
15:37:06 <Zakim> Attendees were john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris ←
16:41:06 <josema> zakim, bye
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José Alonso: zakim, bye ←
16:41:09 <josema> rrsagent, bye
José Alonso: rrsagent, bye ←
16:41:09 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-actions.rdf : ←
16:41:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [1]
ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [1] ←
16:41:09 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-27-40
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-27-40 ←
16:41:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [2]
ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [2] ←
16:41:09 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-27-49
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-27-49 ←
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