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eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 18 February 2009

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13:59:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

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13:59:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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13:59:53 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:59:53 <trackbot> Date: 18 February 2009
13:59:53 <josema> zakim, code?

José Alonso: zakim, code?

13:59:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), josema

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14:00:41 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

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14:00:48 <Zakim> +john

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14:01:08 <Zakim> +josema

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14:01:35 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aaaa

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14:01:53 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Daniel

José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Daniel

14:01:53 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it

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14:01:55 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:02:17 <Zakim> +Rachel

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14:02:57 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aacc

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14:03:06 <josema> zakim, aacc is kevin

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14:03:06 <Zakim> +kevin; got it

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14:04:15 <Zakim> +Owen

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14:04:43 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

14:04:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, josema, Daniel, Rachel, kevin, +1.202.626.aabb, Owen

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14:04:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot

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14:06:50 <josema> zakim, aabb is Chris

José Alonso: zakim, aabb is Chris

14:06:50 <Zakim> +Chris; got it

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14:07:14 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:10:09 <john> good point!

John Sheridan: good point!

14:10:34 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum

14:10:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Appoint a scribe, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]

1. Appoint a scribe, agenda adjustments

14:10:43 <josema> john: any volunteers?

John Sheridan: any volunteers? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

14:10:55 <josema> daniel: one more week and I'll do it

Daniel Bennett: one more week and I'll do it [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

14:11:07 <Zakim> +chris.a

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14:11:16 <josema> scribe: kevin

(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)

14:11:23 <kevin> Kevin to take on scribing for today

Kevin to take on scribing for today

14:11:47 <kevin> huh?

huh?

14:11:59 <kevin> John: agenda adjustment call

John Sheridan: agenda adjustment call

14:12:04 <josema> john: any agenda adjustments?

John Sheridan: any agenda adjustments? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

14:12:05 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:12:56 <josema> [john reads agenda]

José Alonso: [john reads agenda]

14:13:30 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum

14:13:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Editor's draft" taken up [from josema]

2. Editor's draft

14:13:49 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note

14:13:55 <kevin> Jose: takes on agenda item 2

José Alonso: takes on agenda item 2

14:14:20 <kevin> jose: uploaded open government data section

José Alonso: uploaded open government data section

14:14:49 <kevin> Jose: oscar working on small start version for interoperability

José Alonso: oscar working on small start version for interoperability

14:15:06 <kevin> Jose: kevin has front end sections almost finished

José Alonso: kevin has front end sections almost finished

14:15:33 <kevin> Jose: all due next Wednesday so Jose has time to review and place in w3 formats for publication rules

José Alonso: all due next Wednesday so Jose has time to review and place in w3 formats for publication rules

14:16:15 <kevin> Jose: plain language target to ensure govts and others understand what is being communication, references also important

José Alonso: plain language target to ensure govts and others understand what is being communication, references also important

14:16:33 <kevin> Jose: participation section: pointers to reuse including references

José Alonso: participation section: pointers to reuse including references

14:16:35 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/26

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/26

14:16:52 <kevin> Jose; interesting to review and reuse for that section for the writeres

Jose; interesting to review and reuse for that section for the writeres

14:17:13 <kevin> Jose: not all sections done for first draft: including multichannel section

José Alonso: not all sections done for first draft: including multichannel section

14:17:32 <kevin> Jose: expertise only on deliver of content on mobile devices

José Alonso: expertise only on deliver of content on mobile devices

14:17:56 <kevin> Jose: publish first draft first week of march in preparation for face to face meeting

José Alonso: publish first draft first week of march in preparation for face to face meeting

14:18:48 <kevin> Jose and John: getting content finished sooner than later to give Jose time over the weekend next week to review and compile

Jose and John: getting content finished sooner than later to give Jose time over the weekend next week to review and compile

14:18:58 <kevin> Jose: send whatever you have..

José Alonso: send whatever you have..

14:19:20 <kevin> John: dont be fearful on where you are on the content, just submit it up and group can help

John Sheridan: dont be fearful on where you are on the content, just submit it up and group can help

14:19:32 <kevin> Daniel: will send draft

Daniel Bennett: will send draft

14:20:23 <kevin> Jose: forgot to say one thing: Kevin will take on final read prior to publication Kevin will have one or two days before publication date for review and adjustments

José Alonso: forgot to say one thing: Kevin will take on final read prior to publication Kevin will have one or two days before publication date for review and adjustments

14:20:35 <kevin> Kevin agrees and commits

Kevin agrees and commits

14:22:04 <kevin> Kevin talks about other factors that require documetnation outside of technical specifications

Kevin talks about other factors that require documetnation outside of technical specifications

14:22:56 <kevin> Kevin has used John's content for introductory piece and can build bridges and synergies with the content types

Kevin has used John's content for introductory piece and can build bridges and synergies with the content types

14:23:03 <josema> chair: john
14:23:10 <josema> regrets+ kjetil

José Alonso: regrets+ kjetil

14:23:11 <kevin> John: need to get as much stuff as we can.

John Sheridan: need to get as much stuff as we can.

14:24:27 <kevin> Chris is writing persistent URL piece with Anne

Chris is writing persistent URL piece with Anne

14:24:28 <josema> deadline: 25 Feb!!

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Unknown deadline: 25 Feb!! [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

14:25:08 <kevin> Jose: reviewing process and complexity

José Alonso: reviewing process and complexity

14:25:29 <kevin> John: editors draft agenda item complete

John Sheridan: editors draft agenda item complete

14:25:33 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum

14:25:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Use Cases, graduation process, which ones?" taken up [from josema]

3. Use Cases, graduation process, which ones?

14:25:36 <kevin> John: move to item three

John Sheridan: move to item three

14:25:47 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer?

14:25:47 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-25-47

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-25-47

14:26:04 <kevin> John: how we graduate use cases, what are our conclusions on what process is going to look like

John Sheridan: how we graduate use cases, what are our conclusions on what process is going to look like

14:26:12 <kevin> Daniel: what does it mean to graduate

Daniel Bennett: what does it mean to graduate

14:26:41 <kevin> Jose; compiling use cases to develop group notes, draft ideas and discuss use cases, topics in use cases, through mailing list

Jose; compiling use cases to develop group notes, draft ideas and discuss use cases, topics in use cases, through mailing list

14:27:09 <kevin> Jose; some use cases getting interesting and may want to reference use cases and make references in other documents

Jose; some use cases getting interesting and may want to reference use cases and make references in other documents

14:27:43 <kevin> Jose: some documents are normative and should be persistent all times, what moves beyond wiki to ensure it is permanently available

José Alonso: some documents are normative and should be persistent all times, what moves beyond wiki to ensure it is permanently available

14:27:55 <kevin> Jose: put somewhere else in a more stable location

José Alonso: put somewhere else in a more stable location

14:28:07 <kevin> Jose: dont need anything special from a functionality perspective

José Alonso: dont need anything special from a functionality perspective

14:28:09 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work

14:28:20 <kevin> Jose: process I have been working on now posted to IRC

José Alonso: process I have been working on now posted to IRC

14:28:34 <kevin> Jose: asks some rdfa for pages

José Alonso: asks some rdfa for pages

14:28:45 <kevin> Jose: builds index, etc, etc,

José Alonso: builds index, etc, etc,

14:29:08 <kevin> Jose: how does RDFa or semantic technology, not complex to use

José Alonso: how does RDFa or semantic technology, not complex to use

14:29:26 <kevin> Jose: group should review cases more before they are moved to graduated status

José Alonso: group should review cases more before they are moved to graduated status

14:29:50 <kevin> two different types of cases: describing specific projects and others about more generic problem that needs to be solved

two different types of cases: describing specific projects and others about more generic problem that needs to be solved

14:30:06 <kevin> Jose: some are already integrated in some other given sense

José Alonso: some are already integrated in some other given sense

14:30:38 <kevin> Jose: built on use case and should we graduate: Open government?

José Alonso: built on use case and should we graduate: Open government?

14:30:50 <kevin> Jose: should not be complex process...

José Alonso: should not be complex process...

14:31:19 <josema> present+ Joe

José Alonso: present+ Joe

14:31:21 <kevin> Joe: what is the ulimate goal of group? egov activities?

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Unknown Joe: what is the ulimate goal of group? egov activities?

14:32:15 <kevin> John: mediates role to address practical problems using w3 specifications including public policy item, ie services for children, renew taxres

John Sheridan: mediates role to address practical problems using w3 specifications including public policy item, ie services for children, renew taxres

14:32:25 <kevin> how is public money being spent

how is public money being spent

14:32:30 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer?

14:32:30 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-32-30

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T14-32-30

14:32:36 <kevin> increasingly using the web

increasingly using the web

14:32:48 <kevin> two different worlds: technology and public policy items

two different worlds: technology and public policy items

14:33:08 <kevin> John: intermediary between both

John Sheridan: intermediary between both

14:33:40 <kevin> John: need to have coherent thoughts addressing public policy objectives with the outputs of the group related to techncl

John Sheridan: need to have coherent thoughts addressing public policy objectives with the outputs of the group related to techncl

14:33:51 <kevin> how they are specifically using w3 specifications

how they are specifically using w3 specifications

14:34:01 <kevin> govt audience and technology audience

...govt audience and technology audience

14:34:23 <kevin> better understand problems, issues, and challenges

...better understand problems, issues, and challenges

14:34:36 <kevin> Joe: goes along with work he is trying to do

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Unknown Joe: goes along with work he is trying to do

14:34:46 <kevin> Joe: use case should use government data

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Unknown Joe: use case should use government data

14:34:58 <kevin> retool and show demonstration of approach

...retool and s...how demonstration of approach

14:35:09 <josema> s/retool/...retool
14:35:20 <josema> s/how/...how
14:35:23 <josema> s/govt/...govt
14:35:37 <josema> s/better/...better
14:35:39 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

14:35:54 <josema> kevin: we need to show people how practical an standard can be

Kevin Novak: we need to show people how practical an standard can be

14:36:08 <josema> ... difficult for a policy person how to relate this to his needs

... difficult for a policy person how to relate this to his needs

14:36:28 <josema> joe: a big piece of W3C visibility within gov is Accessibility

Daniel Bennett: a big piece of W3C visibility within gov is Accessibility

14:36:44 <josema> kevin: I believe on Acc. and I promote it much

Kevin Novak: I believe on Acc. and I promote it much

14:36:57 <josema> ... but the way W3C work is very good for technical people

... but the way W3C work is very good for technical people

14:37:08 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: w3c accessibility is a major set of standards that can be brought out to govts and public

Daniel Bennett: w3c accessibility is a major set of standards that can be brought out to govts and public [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:37:23 <josema> s/joe:/daniel:
14:37:52 <josema> ... but difficult to trumpet that within an organization to other profiles

... but difficult to trumpet that within an organization to other profiles

14:38:04 <josema> [missed the other example]

14:38:11 <kevin> Chris: agrees

Christopher Testa: agrees [ Scribe Assist by Kevin Novak ]

14:38:12 <josema> s/missed/scribe missed
14:38:18 <josema> scribe: kevin

(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)

14:38:32 <kevin> Joe and Daniel include in statml document

Joe and Daniel include in statml document

14:38:46 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: make sure captured in stratml doc

Daniel Bennett: make sure captured in stratml doc [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:39:03 <kevin> John: we ahve a criteria for use cases to back up that convernsation

John Sheridan: we have a criteria for use cases to back up that convernsation

14:39:15 <josema> s/[missed the other example]//

José Alonso: s/[missed the other example]// (warning: replacement failed)

14:39:24 <josema> s/[scribe missed the other example]//
14:39:34 <kevin> John: which is we want use cases to capture real world experience and not abstract

John Sheridan: which is we want use cases to capture real world experience and not abstract

14:39:58 <kevin> what does it mean" those use cases that talk about practical items and have author address

...what does it mean" those use cases that talk about practical items and have author address

14:40:09 <josema> s/what/...what
14:40:16 <josema> s/ahve/have
14:40:48 <josema> kevin: group to go through use cases, aggregate knowledge in there before graduating

Kevin Novak: group to go through use cases, aggregate knowledge in there before graduating [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

14:40:54 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: how do we capture interest/readership in the use cases?

Daniel Bennett: how do we capture interest/readership in the use cases? [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:40:55 <kevin> Joe: stratml good case of applicability

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Unknown Joe: stratml good case of applicability

14:41:16 <kevin> Daniel: how should group members have responsiblity

Daniel Bennett: how should group members have responsiblity

14:41:32 <Daniel_Bennett> yes

Daniel Bennett: yes

14:42:10 <kevin> John: presumably one of the things we need is to get use cases graduate prior to face to face and paper publication so that they can be cited and referenced in the paper

John Sheridan: presumably one of the things we need is to get use cases graduate prior to face to face and paper publication so that they can be cited and referenced in the paper

14:42:24 <kevin> John: we will always want to be collecting and discussing use cases

John Sheridan: we will always want to be collecting and discussing use cases

14:42:37 <josema> +1

José Alonso: +1

14:42:38 <kevin> Alot we dont know about out there,

a lot we dont know about out there,

14:42:45 <josema> s/Alot/a lot
14:42:53 <josema> s/a lot/...a lot
14:43:15 <kevin> John: answer to question: give same period of time to look at use cases to look through adn add practical examples etc ebfore graduating

John Sheridan: answer to question: give same period of time to look at use cases to look through adn add practical examples etc ebfore graduating

14:43:27 <kevin> John: add what we have to add

John Sheridan: add what we have to add

14:43:28 <josema> q+ to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD

José Alonso: q+ to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD

14:43:55 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel: will we have time at the F2F to go through each of the use cases?

Daniel Bennett: will we have time at the F2F to go through each of the use cases? [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:44:19 <kevin> Kevin: yes we should build that into the agenda

Kevin Novak: yes we should build that into the agenda

14:44:44 <kevin> John: we havent really finished defining criteria for graduating use cases

John Sheridan: we havent really finished defining criteria for graduating use cases

14:45:03 <kevin> Daniel: opportunity of face to face should be to define

Daniel Bennett: opportunity of face to face should be to define

14:45:14 <kevin> Joe agrees

Joe agrees

14:45:24 <kevin> Kevin agrees

Kevin agrees

14:45:47 <Zakim> -josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -josema

14:46:08 <john> ok

John Sheridan: ok

14:46:15 <john> we're waiting for you

John Sheridan: we're waiting for you

14:46:24 <Zakim> +josema

Zakim IRC Bot: +josema

14:46:52 <kevin> Jose: question is that but I already know the answer: do you expect use cases to be linked to first public working draft

José Alonso: question is that but I already know the answer: do you expect use cases to be linked to first public working draft

14:48:26 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: agrees

Daniel Bennett: agrees [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:48:36 <kevin> Kevin: goal to finalize use cases at face to face to ready for publication

Kevin Novak: goal to finalize use cases at face to face to ready for publication

14:50:29 <kevin> John: done with graduating use cases

John Sheridan: done with graduating use cases

14:50:34 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum

14:50:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, josema

14:50:35 <kevin> JOhn: move on to face to face

John Sheridan: move on to face to face

14:50:41 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

14:50:44 <josema> ack me

José Alonso: ack me

14:50:44 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you wanted to ask if expected to be linked from FPWD

14:50:48 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum

14:50:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)" taken up [from josema]

4. F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)

14:51:04 <kevin> JOhn: signing up and level of interest

John Sheridan: signing up and level of interest

14:51:26 <kevin> Jose: we have last I looked 24 people registered, six people via remote

José Alonso: we have last I looked 24 people registered, six people via remote

14:51:34 <kevin> less than capacity

...less than capacity

14:51:45 <josema> s/less/...less
14:51:51 <josema> s/JOhn/John
14:52:04 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

14:52:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: I will add in Julie Germany of IPDI/GWU

Daniel Bennett: I will add in Julie Germany of IPDI/GWU [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:52:13 <josema> kevin: can hold up to 60, more if needed

Kevin Novak: can hold up to 60, more if needed

14:52:30 <josema> ... Chairs talked to Karen, Ian (W3C) considering a PR next week

... Chairs talked to Karen, Ian (W3C) considering a PR next week

14:52:44 <josema> ... I'll meet with Sunlight later today

... I'll meet with Sunlight later today

14:52:51 <josema> ... looking forward to other opps

... looking forward to other opps

14:53:20 <josema> daniel: are we looking more for folks outside or inside gov?

Daniel Bennett: are we looking more for folks outside or inside gov?

14:53:37 <josema> kevin: both, maybe more from inside as it's developing so far

Kevin Novak: both, maybe more from inside as it's developing so far

14:53:53 <josema> ... in my previous position I got to know their work

... in my previous position I got to know their work

14:53:59 <josema> ... very active and useful

... very active and useful

14:54:18 <josema> [scribe missed a question]

14:54:19 <kevin> Chris: what is the current representation?

Christopher Testa: what is the current representation? [ Scribe Assist by Kevin Novak ]

14:54:26 <kevin> looks like about half

Kevin Novak: looks like about half

14:54:29 <josema> s/[scribe missed a question]//
14:54:33 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: looks like a half

Daniel Bennett: ...looks like a half [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:54:34 <josema> s/looks/...looks
14:54:47 <kevin> whould go after those responsible for web content and formats.

Kevin Novak: ...would go after those responsible for web content and formats.

14:55:12 <josema> s/whould/...would
14:55:43 <josema> kevin: also jose reminded me of Web Managers Roundtable I'm hosting the day before the meeting

Kevin Novak: also jose reminded me of Web Managers Roundtable I'm hosting the day before the meeting

14:55:47 <Zakim> -Owen

Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen

14:55:55 <josema> ... lady in charge will help me outreach

... lady in charge will help me outreach

14:56:17 <josema> ... considering Bev Godwin, also @@

... considering Bev Godwin, also @@

14:56:36 <josema> daniel: I'll also see if I can outreach to people in congress

Daniel Bennett: I'll also see if I can outreach to people in congress

14:56:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: I will check into congress

Daniel Bennett: I will check into congress [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

14:56:57 <josema> joe: I personally emaill @@@ CTO of GPO, so he knows about it

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Unknown joe: I personally emaill @@@ CTO of GPO, so he knows about it

14:57:21 <josema> chris: I meet this week with CIOC and will tell them, too

Christopher Testa: I meet this week with CIOC and will tell them, too

14:58:14 <josema> john: how to structure the meeting, in terms of what we need to achieve

John Sheridan: how to structure the meeting, in terms of what we need to achieve

14:58:30 <josema> ... we had some discussion at the Chairs call last week and by email

... we had some discussion at the Chairs call last week and by email

14:58:39 <kevin> what are people's views to ahve high energy level

Kevin Novak: what are people's views to ahve high energy level

14:58:44 <kevin> want interaction

Kevin Novak: want interaction

14:58:47 <josema> scribe: kevin

(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)

14:58:56 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

14:59:13 <chris> Have to leave the call. Thanks all.

Christopher Testa: Have to leave the call. Thanks all.

14:59:23 <josema> kevin: participation last time when W3C organized the workshop was great

Kevin Novak: participation last time when W3C organized the workshop was great

14:59:28 <josema> ... it was a productive dialogue

... it was a productive dialogue

14:59:30 <kevin> barcamp style

Kevin Novak: barcamp style

14:59:34 <Zakim> -chris.a

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Zakim IRC Bot: -chris.a

14:59:42 <josema> scribe: kevin

(Scribe set to Kevin Novak)

15:00:18 <kevin> be really careful to set expectations in the right way

... be really careful to set expectations in the right way

15:00:25 <kevin> have good coversation

... have good coversation

15:00:33 <Zakim> -Rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel

15:00:45 <josema> [chris, rachel leave the call]

José Alonso: [chris, rachel leave the call]

15:01:17 <josema> q+ to talk about two faces of transparency

José Alonso: q+ to talk about two faces of transparency

15:02:46 <josema> q+ to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs

José Alonso: q+ to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs

15:02:50 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

15:03:11 <josema> s/be/... be
15:03:16 <josema> s/have/... have
15:04:35 <josema> [how to make governments release more data, and why, and how]

José Alonso: [how to make governments release more data, and why, and how]

15:04:58 <josema> [balance between people that need to release the data and the ones that will consume it]

José Alonso: [balance between people that need to release the data and the ones that will consume Them]

15:05:02 <josema> s/it/Them
15:05:06 <josema> s/Them/them
15:05:12 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer?

15:05:12 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-05-12

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-05-12

15:05:18 <josema> rrsagent, draf minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draf minutes

15:05:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:05:22 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:05:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema

15:05:51 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

15:05:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Daniel, kevin, Chris, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Daniel, kevin, Chris, josema

15:05:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vagner, Daniel_Bennett, kevin, Owen, RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vagner, Daniel_Bennett, kevin, Owen, RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot

15:06:00 <josema> present+ joe

José Alonso: present+ joe

15:06:26 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel was on the phone call till a minute ago

Daniel Bennett: Rachel was on the phone call till a minute ago

15:06:41 <Zakim> +Owen

Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen

15:06:56 <josema> zakim, list attendees

José Alonso: zakim, list attendees

15:06:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris

15:07:04 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:07:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema

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15:07:39 <josema> joe: put the data out there is fine, but how and in what format?

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Unknown joe: put the data out there is fine, but how and in what format? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

15:07:56 <josema> ... if the Group could answer this question, it would be helpful for govs

José Alonso: ... if the Group could answer this question, it would be helpful for govs

15:07:59 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

15:08:07 <john> ack josema

John Sheridan: ack josema

15:08:07 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to talk about two faces of transparency and to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you wanted to talk about two faces of transparency and to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs

15:12:35 <john> q?

John Sheridan: q?

15:13:25 <kevin> sorry was busy paying attention

sorry was busy paying attention

15:13:28 <josema> [jose on two faces of transparency and W3C stack vs. government needs]

José Alonso: [jose on two faces of transparency and W3C stack vs. government needs]

15:13:38 <kevin> owen back on call

owen back on call

15:13:58 <kevin> accessibility: creating tables to relate info to other agencies

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Unknown accessibility: creating tables to relate info to other agencies

15:14:08 <josema> scribe: kevin
15:14:10 <kevin> took data and put things on the web

took data and put things on the web

15:14:34 <kevin> Paper solution was paper solution that now needs to evolve to new interoperability standard

Paper solution was paper solution that now needs to evolve to new interoperability standard

15:14:40 <kevin> very much hard to do

15:14:48 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

15:14:52 <kevin> John : pull back to how we cope with issues

John : pull back to how we cope with issues

15:15:17 <kevin> John: half and idea, and how do we actually try to get these issues into the face to face

John Sheridan: half and idea, and how do we actually try to get these issues into the face to face

15:15:35 <josema> s/very much hard to do//
15:15:46 <kevin> split one day for provocation and one about reflection

...split one day for provocation and one about reflection

15:15:56 <josema> [john on having provocation + reflection]

José Alonso: [john on having provocation + reflection]

15:16:02 <kevin> Kevin: helps to define year two of group work

Kevin Novak: helps to define year two of group work

15:16:10 <josema> s/split/...split
15:16:11 <kevin> response and solution approach

...response and solution approach

15:16:25 <kevin> provocation and reflection for structure

...provocation and reflection for structure

15:16:35 <kevin> we all like that concept

[we all like that concept]

15:16:49 <josema> s/response/...response
15:17:01 <josema> s/provocation/...provocation
15:17:15 <josema> s/we all like that concept/[we all like that concept]
15:17:25 <kevin> through out challenges etc in first day

John Sheridan: through out challenges etc in first day

15:17:39 <josema> s/through/john: through
15:18:03 <kevin> provoke and discuss issues and turn them into solutions, what do we need to do, do we agree? waht do we need to do to solve the problem issue, etc

provoke and discuss issues and turn them into solutions, what do we need to do, do we agree? wha do we need to do to solve the problem issue, etc

15:18:12 <josema> s/waht/wha
15:18:16 <josema> s/wha/what
15:18:33 <kevin> promote exploration

promote exploration

15:19:12 <josema> kevin: if we go through all the issues and challenges alone in one day, can have negative energy

Kevin Novak: if we go through all the issues and challenges alone in one day, can have negative energy [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

15:19:33 <josema> ... but if use half day for that, half for reflections, could be good

José Alonso: ... but if use half day for that, half for reflections, could be good

15:19:40 <josema> ... then come back next day to build on it

José Alonso: ... then come back next day to build on it

15:19:53 <kevin> Kevin: and turn the next day into the solutions and path forward leading to next year work plan and improving current work and direction

Kevin Novak: and turn the next day into the solutions and path forward leading to next year work plan and improving current work and direction

15:20:22 <kevin> John: be fliexible,

John Sheridan: be flexible,

15:20:33 <kevin> Joe: not have owners be reflectors

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Unknown Joe: not have owners be reflectors

15:20:33 <josema> s/fliexible/flexible
15:20:43 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:20:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema

15:20:58 <kevin> much more positive perspective

much more positive perspective

15:21:10 <josema> regrets+ robin

José Alonso: regrets+ robin

15:21:35 <josema> Owen: remember that the reference models are being updated

Owen Ambur: remember that the reference models are being updated [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

15:21:42 <kevin> Owen, FA TRM doesnt include many of the reference models from w3

Owen, FA TRM doesnt include many of the reference models from w3

15:21:51 <kevin> link to component service model

link to component service model

15:21:52 <josema> ... many W3C stds not there, one objective could be to incorporate them

José Alonso: ... many W3C stds not there, one objective could be to incorporate them

15:22:00 <josema> ... just in brainstorming mode, now

José Alonso: ... just in brainstorming mode, now

15:22:31 <josema> [what is the problem those models are trying to address, food for thought]

José Alonso: [what is the problem those models are trying to address, food for thought]

15:25:38 <kevin> John and Kevin: use every tool in tool box that transends technical tools and solutions but also public policy

John and Kevin: use every tool in tool box that transends technical tools and solutions but also public policy

15:25:45 <kevin> Joe: talk about purpose

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Unknown Joe: talk about purpose

15:25:50 <kevin> accessibly

accessibility

15:26:04 <josema> s/accessibly/accessibility
15:27:40 <josema> ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page

ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page

15:27:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jose

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jose

15:27:49 <josema> ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page

ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page

15:27:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-02-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-45 - Send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-02-25].

15:28:53 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum

15:28:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Where and how to position the Group?" taken up [from josema]

5. Where and how to position the Group?

15:30:03 <josema> [support from Comm/Karen]

José Alonso: [support from Comm/Karen]

15:31:33 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

José Alonso: [ADJOURNED]

15:31:40 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks

Daniel Bennett: thanks

15:31:46 <Zakim> -Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chris

15:31:58 <Zakim> -john

Zakim IRC Bot: -john

15:31:59 <Zakim> -Daniel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel

15:32:00 <Zakim> -Owen

Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen

15:32:02 <Zakim> -kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin

15:32:37 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:32:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-minutes.html josema

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15:37:02 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, josema, in T&S_EGOV()9:00AM

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15:37:05 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

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15:37:06 <Zakim> Attendees were john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were john, josema, +1.202.319.aaaa, Daniel, Rachel, +1.202.626.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, kevin, Owen, Chris

16:41:06 <josema> zakim, bye

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José Alonso: zakim, bye

16:41:09 <josema> rrsagent, bye

José Alonso: rrsagent, bye

16:41:09 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-actions.rdf :

16:41:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [1]

ACTION: jose to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [1]

16:41:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-27-40

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16:41:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [2]

ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [2]

16:41:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc#T15-27-49

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