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14:00:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-irc ←
14:00:08 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←
14:00:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:00:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
14:00:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start now ←
14:00:13 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
14:00:13 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2008
14:00:23 <josema> chair: kevin, john
14:00:32 <josema> regrets: oscar, martin, kjetil
14:00:43 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started ←
14:00:44 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
14:01:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.256.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.256.aaaa ←
14:01:02 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
14:01:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa (muted) ←
14:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot ←
14:01:24 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Ari
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Ari ←
14:01:24 <Zakim> +Ari; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ari; got it ←
14:01:33 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
14:01:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, Ari
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, Ari ←
14:01:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot ←
14:02:38 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:02:48 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (5%) ←
14:04:41 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
14:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, Ari
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, Ari ←
14:04:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot ←
14:07:43 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
14:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, Ari
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, Ari ←
14:07:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see john, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot ←
14:09:15 <Zakim> + +1.202.501.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.501.aabb ←
14:10:12 <josema> zakim, aabb is rick
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is rick ←
14:10:12 <Zakim> +rick; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rick; got it ←
14:11:58 <Zakim> + +0203334aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0203334aacc ←
14:12:11 <josema> zakim, aacc is john
José Alonso: zakim, aacc is john ←
14:12:11 <Zakim> +john; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←
14:13:06 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:13:21 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "appoint a scribe" taken up [from josema]
14:13:29 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
14:13:36 <josema> again! ;(
again! ;( ←
14:14:16 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:14:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1 was just opened, josema ←
14:14:23 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:14:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
14:16:22 <Zakim> -Ari
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ari ←
14:16:42 <josema> [TWB could not secure funding to host joint event with OASIS, so we are not organizing it for now]
[TWB could not secure funding to host joint event with OASIS, so we are not organizing it for now] ←
14:16:47 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:16:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "outline of first editor's draft" taken up [from josema]
14:27:54 <josema> [jose explains why the "new" topic areas speaking in gov terms]
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[jose explains why the "new" topic areas speaking in gov terms] ←
14:32:07 <josema> [john on they are familiar, and we also need to think about the different audiences we target, some even dealing with XSDs]
[john on they are familiar, and we also need to think about the different audiences we target, some even dealing with XSDs] ←
14:32:21 <josema> josema: do you miss some big area?
José Alonso: do you miss some big area? ←
14:32:41 <josema> john: maybe on government as provider of information, not entirely transparency
John Sheridan: maybe on government as provider of information, not entirely transparency ←
14:35:20 <josema> [we start to find same problem as yesterday, some not only about the topic area where they are, but affecting more]
[we start to find same problem as yesterday, some not only about the topic area where they are, but affecting more] ←
14:35:47 <josema> john: some, eg. transparency is about public policy outcome, while interoperability is about tchnology
John Sheridan: some, eg. transparency is about public policy outcome, while interoperability is about technology ←
14:35:58 <josema> s/tchnology/technology
14:36:44 <josema> ... a public policy outcome is a thing like "reducing fraud"
... a public policy outcome is a thing like "reducing fraud" ←
14:39:59 <josema> ... maybe we could use the kind of policy outcomes as a list under every area
... maybe we could use the kind of policy outcomes as a list under every area ←
14:40:07 <josema> ... and stick to those that are technology challenges
... and stick to those that are technology challenges ←
14:41:47 <josema> josema: I like this idea, we should try it
José Alonso: I like this idea, we should try it ←
14:42:08 <josema> john: we could also list specific examples of countries doing this or that
John Sheridan: we could also list specific examples of countries doing this or that ←
14:42:32 <josema> ... what they are trying to achieve, when they are confronting the same technology challenges
... what they are trying to achieve, when they are confronting the same technology challenges ←
14:45:44 <josema> ... this needs much discussion in the mailing list
... this needs much discussion in the mailing list ←
14:45:52 <josema> ... about both points of view
... about both points of view ←
14:46:18 <josema> ... I personally like the list and just have issue with "Participation..." and "Transparency"
... I personally like the list and just have issue with "Participation..." and "Transparency" ←
14:46:33 <josema> ... they should be written in technology challenges terms
... they should be written in technology challenges terms ←
14:47:51 <josema> john: I'd also like us to mention something beyond current existing challenges
John Sheridan: I'd also like us to mention something beyond current existing challenges ←
14:48:10 <josema> ... and put something about what they should be looking into for the next 3-5 years
... and put something about what they should be looking into for the next 3-5 years ←
14:51:15 <josema> rick: from experience in Groups like these key is how it can be effective
Scribe problem: the name 'rick' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown rick: from experience in Groups like these key is how it can be effective ←
14:51:50 <josema> ... what's exactly W3C role here in affecting the eGov echo system of players
... what's exactly W3C role here in affecting the eGov echo system of players ←
14:52:22 <josema> ... I would suggest a focus on what W3C does that is really special about W3c
... I would suggest a focus on what W3C does that is really special about W3c ←
14:52:45 <josema> ... categorization is common problem, it gets in the message of the way of having the message crafted
... categorization is common problem, it gets in the message of the way of having the message crafted ←
14:52:51 <josema> ... and reaching people
... and reaching people ←
14:53:20 <josema> ... is W3C trying to influence a legislator, an administrative leader?
... is W3C trying to influence a legislator, an administrative leader? ←
14:53:35 <josema> ... that reduces the context
... that reduces the context ←
14:54:04 <josema> ... I suggest some very short term focus on things that can be accomplished
... I suggest some very short term focus on things that can be accomplished ←
14:54:24 <josema> ... before the Group expires in May
... before the Group expires in May ←
14:54:59 <josema> ... I personally focus on some small problem, knowing that I loose some context
... I personally focus on some small problem, knowing that I loose some context ←
14:55:17 <josema> ... but keeping work alive and achieve a smaller goal
... but keeping work alive and achieve a smaller goal ←
14:55:38 <josema> john: we wanted to position the Group as mediator between the very technical
John Sheridan: we wanted to position the Group as mediator between the very technical ←
14:55:54 <josema> ... stuff that W3C produces and the government needs
... stuff that W3C produces and the government needs ←
14:56:32 <josema> ... touching on things largely unique to W3C
... touching on things largely unique to W3C ←
15:03:10 <Zakim> -rick
Scribe problem: the name 'rick' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(No events recorded for 6 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: -rick ←
15:08:53 <josema> rick: useful discussion, building the paths takes time, happy to discuss further later in time
Scribe problem: the name 'rick' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(No events recorded for 5 minutes)
Unknown rick: useful discussion, building the paths takes time, happy to discuss further later in time ←
15:10:20 <josema> john: let's convene a Group call next week, give time to people to review draft and commment
John Sheridan: let's convene a Group call next week, give time to people to review draft and commment ←
15:10:22 <josema> josema: ok
José Alonso: ok ←
15:10:48 <josema> RESOLUTION: convene Group call next week, 17 Dec 2008; 14:00Z
RESOLVED: convene Group call next week, 17 Dec 2008; 14:00Z ←
15:11:02 <josema> ACTION: josema to setup conference bridge
ACTION: josema to setup conference bridge ←
15:11:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Setup conference bridge [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2008-12-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Setup conference bridge [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2008-12-17]. ←
15:12:43 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
15:12:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "open actions" taken up [from josema]
15:15:26 <josema> [skipping this one]
[skipping this one] ←
15:15:30 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
15:15:30 <Zakim> agendum 5. "next meeting" taken up [from josema]
15:15:50 <josema> [resolved above: 17 Dec 2008; 14:00Z]
[resolved above: 17 Dec 2008; 14:00Z] ←
15:23:16 <josema> zakim, who's here?
(No events recorded for 7 minutes)
zakim, who's here? ←
15:23:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, john
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, john ←
15:23:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see john, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot ←
15:23:29 <josema> zakim, list attendees
zakim, list attendees ←
15:23:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa, Ari, +1.202.501.aabb, rick, +0203334aacc, john
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa, Ari, +1.202.501.aabb, rick, +0203334aacc, john ←
15:23:38 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
15:23:43 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:23:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:24:33 <josema> chair: john
15:24:36 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:24:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:42:56 <Zakim> -Josema
(No events recorded for 18 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
15:42:58 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
15:42:58 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
15:42:59 <Zakim> Attendees were Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa, Ari, +1.202.501.aabb, rick, +0203334aacc, john
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa, Ari, +1.202.501.aabb, rick, +0203334aacc, john ←
15:43:03 <josema> zakim, bye
zakim, bye ←
15:43:07 <josema> rrsagent, bye
rrsagent, bye ←
15:43:07 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-actions.rdf : ←
15:43:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josema to setup conference bridge [1]
ACTION: josema to setup conference bridge [1] ←
15:43:07 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-irc#T15-11-02
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-irc#T15-11-02 ←
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