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eGov IG kick-off

Minutes of 25 June 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Jun/0002
Seen
Ari Schwartz, John Sheridan, José Alonso, Kevin Novak, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Mercedes Clark-Smith, Pasquale Popolizio, Peter Krantz, Roberto Castaldo, Robin Berjon, Unknown Herbert, Unknown Katie, Unknown Oscar, Unknown OwenAmbur, Unknown dom, Vassilios Peristeras
Chair
Kevin Novak, José Alonso
Scribe
Robin Berjon, José Alonso
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. the telcon time stays as is link
  2. we will have our regular meetings without josema link
Topics

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12:44:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc

12:44:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

12:44:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 46005

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 46005

12:44:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

12:44:40 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:44:40 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2008
12:46:23 <dom> zakim, list conferences

Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown dom: zakim, list conferences

12:46:23 <Zakim> I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active

Zakim IRC Bot: I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active

12:46:24 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM

12:48:43 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code?

12:48:43 <Zakim> sorry, kjetil, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kjetil, I don't know what conference this is

12:49:09 <dom> zakim, this will be EGOV

Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown dom: zakim, this will be EGOV

12:49:09 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, dom; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

12:49:12 <dom> zakim, code?

Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown dom: zakim, code?

12:49:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom

12:49:13 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code?

12:49:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil

12:49:19 <kjetil> right :-)

Kjetil Kjernsmo: right :-)

12:50:17 <josema> ah, things are looking better now :)

José Alonso: ah, things are looking better now :)

12:50:22 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

12:51:04 <josema> chair: kevin, josema
12:52:02 <josema> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Jun/0002
12:52:27 <josema> meeting: eGov IG kick-off
12:53:32 <josema> agenda+ Scribe selection [2min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Scribe selection [2min]

12:53:50 <josema> agenda+ Welcome and practicalities [15min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Welcome and practicalities [15min]

12:54:08 <josema> agenda+ Review of Agenda Items [2min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Review of Agenda Items [2min]

12:54:21 <josema> agenda+ Intro: 2 minutes round the table [15min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Intro: 2 minutes round the table [15min]

12:54:33 <josema> agenda+ Use Cases and Requirements [35min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Use Cases and Requirements [35min]

12:54:50 <josema> agenda+ Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones  [15min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones [15min]

12:54:59 <josema> agenda+ Next Meeting [5min]

José Alonso: agenda+ Next Meeting [5min]

12:55:02 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

12:58:01 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

12:58:10 <Zakim> + +43.316.873.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.316.873.aaaa

12:58:10 <Zakim> +CDT

Zakim IRC Bot: +CDT

12:58:17 <Zakim> +Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema

12:58:17 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

12:58:43 <Zakim> + +46.8.55.05.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +46.8.55.05.aabb

12:58:43 <Zakim> + +2

Zakim IRC Bot: + +2

12:58:47 <pasquale> hi all from Naples, Italy, for now I only can irc

Pasquale Popolizio: hi all from Naples, Italy, for now I only can irc

12:58:55 <josema> hi pasquale

José Alonso: hi pasquale

12:59:04 <pasquale> hi

Pasquale Popolizio: hi

12:59:58 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

12:59:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb

13:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil

13:00:05 <Zakim> + +7.711.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.711.aadd

13:00:08 <Mercedes> Afternoon - I have a begged an open port from ICTD for the next two hours just to be here

Mercedes Clark-Smith: Afternoon - I have a begged an open port from ICTD for the next two hours just to be here

13:00:22 <darobin> Zakim, aadd is me

Robin Berjon: Zakim, aadd is me

13:00:22 <Zakim> +darobin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +darobin; got it

13:00:24 <Mercedes> I suspect Mercedescs is also me, so can be ignored

Mercedes Clark-Smith: I suspect Mercedescs is also me, so can be ignored

13:00:36 <darobin> Zakim, mute me

Robin Berjon: Zakim, mute me

13:00:36 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should now be muted

13:00:55 <Zakim> + +47.67.83.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +47.67.83.aaee

13:01:05 <kjetil> Zakim, aaee is me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, aaee is me

13:01:05 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kjetil; got it

13:01:14 <darobin> hi kjetil :)

Robin Berjon: hi kjetil :)

13:01:49 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me

13:01:49 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted

13:02:06 <Zakim> +??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16

13:02:25 <josema> zakim, +??P16 is john

José Alonso: zakim, +??P16 is john

13:02:25 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'

13:02:32 <josema> zakim, ??P16 is john

José Alonso: zakim, ??P16 is john

13:02:32 <Zakim> +john; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it

13:02:54 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:03:21 <RobertoCastaldo> Hi all :-)

Roberto Castaldo: Hi all :-)

13:03:33 <peter_krantz> Hi!

Peter Krantz: Hi!

13:03:36 <darobin> hi!

Robin Berjon: hi!

13:03:43 <Zakim> + +1.301.455.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.455.aaff

13:03:48 <josema> zakim, who's here

José Alonso: zakim, who's here

13:03:48 <Zakim> josema, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you need to end that query with '?'

13:03:53 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, +1.301.455.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, +1.301.455.aaff

13:03:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil

13:03:57 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

13:04:17 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P18 is RobertoCastaldo

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P18 is RobertoCastaldo

13:04:17 <Zakim> +RobertoCastaldo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +RobertoCastaldo; got it

13:04:31 <kjetil> np :-)

Kjetil Kjernsmo: np :-)

13:04:39 <peter_krantz> zakim, +46.8.55.05.aabb is peter_krantz

Peter Krantz: zakim, +46.8.55.05.aabb is peter_krantz

13:04:39 <Zakim> +peter_krantz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +peter_krantz; got it

13:04:41 <darobin> I didn't hear the previous one, was it Owen something?

Robin Berjon: I didn't hear the previous one, was it Owen something?

13:05:02 <josema> yep, maybe Owen Ambur

José Alonso: yep, maybe Owen Ambur

13:05:21 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aagg

13:05:35 <darobin> Zakim, aaff is OwenAmbur

Robin Berjon: Zakim, aaff is OwenAmbur

13:05:35 <Zakim> +OwenAmbur; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OwenAmbur; got it

13:05:47 <josema> zakim, aagg is kevin

José Alonso: zakim, aagg is kevin

13:05:47 <Zakim> +kevin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it

13:06:05 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:08:05 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me

Robin Berjon: Zakim, unmute me

13:08:05 <Zakim> darobin should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should no longer be muted

13:08:40 <peter_krantz> I am not familiar with the scribing principles yet and would like to know the formalities first.

Peter Krantz: I am not familiar with the scribing principles yet and would like to know the formalities first.

13:08:57 <darobin> Scribe: darobin

(Scribe set to Robin Berjon)

13:09:15 <pasquale> sorry, I'm not able to continue for now, 10 minutes and I'll return

Pasquale Popolizio: sorry, I'm not able to continue for now, 10 minutes and I'll return

13:09:36 <darobin> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

13:09:36 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should now be muted

13:09:44 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum

13:09:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Scribe selection" taken up [from 2min]

1. Scribe selection

13:09:49 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum

13:09:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1 was just opened, josema

13:09:56 <josema> close this agendum

José Alonso: close this agendum

13:10:00 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum

13:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Welcome and practicalities" taken up [from 15min]

2. Welcome and practicalities

13:10:36 <darobin> JA: I'll explain how things work, please talk to me if you have problems

José Alonso: I'll explain how things work, please talk to me if you have problems

13:10:58 <darobin> JA: it's not mandatory to be on IRC, but it's helpful

José Alonso: it's not mandatory to be on IRC, but it's helpful

13:11:12 <darobin> JA: it makes scribing and out-of-band discussion easier

José Alonso: it makes scribing and out-of-band discussion easier

13:11:39 <darobin> JA: there are details on http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences

José Alonso: there are details on http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences

13:12:04 <darobin> JA: we are scheduled to meet every other week

José Alonso: we are scheduled to meet every other week

13:13:02 <darobin> JA: it's hard to find a good time, rotating schedules can be done but we're not sure they work — opinions welcome

José Alonso: it's hard to find a good time, rotating schedules can be done but we're not sure they work — opinions welcome

13:13:30 <darobin> JA: this time is not so good for Asia, and really bad for AU/NZ

José Alonso: this time is not so good for Asia, and really bad for AU/NZ

13:14:06 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:14:10 <darobin> [group is silent]

[group is silent]

13:14:39 <darobin> JA: is this time okay?

José Alonso: is this time okay?

13:14:47 <darobin> Silent assent from the group

Silent assent from the group

13:14:57 <Mercedes> It works for me

Mercedes Clark-Smith: It works for me

13:15:06 <RobertoCastaldo> should be ok for me

Roberto Castaldo: should be ok for me

13:15:07 <darobin> RESOLUTION: the telcon time stays as is

RESOLVED: the telcon time stays as is

13:16:09 <darobin> can you paste the address in here for the record?

can you paste the address in here for the record?

13:16:25 <darobin> [group discusses various IRC issues]

[group discusses various IRC issues]

13:16:41 <peter_krantz> http://www.mibbit.com/

Peter Krantz: http://www.mibbit.com/

13:16:46 <darobin> Katie: we're not allowed to use IRC bridges in (US?) government premises

Scribe problem: the name 'Katie' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Katie: we're not allowed to use IRC bridges in (US?) government premises

13:17:23 <darobin> JS: I have independent access, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect

John Sheridan: I have independent access, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect

13:17:24 <josema> john sheridan

José Alonso: john sheridan

13:17:33 <darobin> Katie: I confirm that

Scribe problem: the name 'Katie' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Katie: I confirm that

13:17:54 <pasquale> hi, i'm back

Pasquale Popolizio: hi, i'm back

13:17:54 <darobin> RRSAgent: pointer?

RRSAgent IRC Bot: pointer?

13:17:54 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T13-17-54-1

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T13-17-54-1

13:18:03 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

13:18:03 <Zakim> darobin should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should no longer be muted

13:18:36 <darobin> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

13:18:36 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should now be muted

13:19:07 <darobin> Katie: using the RRSAgent minutes is helpful

Scribe problem: the name 'Katie' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Katie: using the RRSAgent minutes is helpful

13:19:07 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:19:16 <darobin> RB: they're generally emails after the meeting too

Robin Berjon: they're generally emails after the meeting too

13:19:21 <josema> close this agendum

José Alonso: close this agendum

13:19:26 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum

13:19:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review of Agenda Items" taken up [from 2min]

3. Review of Agenda Items

13:19:51 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:19:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, OwenAmbur, RobertoCastaldo, kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, OwenAmbur, RobertoCastaldo, kevin

13:19:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil

13:20:08 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

13:20:08 <Zakim> darobin should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should no longer be muted

13:20:38 <Zakim> -OwenAmbur

Scribe problem: the name 'OwenAmbur' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -OwenAmbur

13:20:52 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Herbert

José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Herbert

13:20:53 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.98.439.aahh

13:20:53 <Zakim> +Herbert; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Herbert; got it

13:20:54 <Zakim> +OwenAmbur

Zakim IRC Bot: +OwenAmbur

13:21:20 <josema> zakim, CDT is Ari

José Alonso: zakim, CDT is Ari

13:21:20 <Zakim> +Ari; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ari; got it

13:21:31 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:21:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, +34.98.439.aahh, OwenAmbur

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, +34.98.439.aahh, OwenAmbur

13:21:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil

13:21:48 <darobin> AS: Ari Schwartz, Center for Democracy and Technology

Ari Schwartz: Ari Schwartz, Center for Democracy and Technology

13:22:02 <darobin> AS: I work on eGov/OpenGov issues, privacy

Ari Schwartz: I work on eGov/OpenGov issues, privacy

13:22:34 <darobin> JA: I'm José Manuel Alonso, I work for CTIC and lead this activity as a Fellow

José Alonso: I'm José Manuel Alonso, I work for CTIC and lead this activity as a Fellow

13:22:55 <darobin> KN: Kevin Novak, The American Institute of Architects, co-chair

Kevin Novak: Kevin Novak, The American Institute of Architects, co-chair

13:23:09 <darobin> KN: have been doing eGov as the (US?) federal level for fifteen years

Kevin Novak: have been doing eGov as the (US?) federal level for fifteen years

13:23:18 <peter_krantz> Verva, the Swedish Administrative Development Agency: http://verva.se/english/

Peter Krantz: Verva, the Swedish Administrative Development Agency: http://verva.se/english/

13:23:37 <darobin> PK: Peter Krantz, from ?? in Sweden, working on eGov and standardisation

Peter Krantz: Peter Krantz, from ?? in Sweden, working on eGov and standardisation

13:23:47 <darobin> ah, thanks peter_krantz

ah, thanks peter_krantz

13:24:14 <darobin> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

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13:24:19 <josema> robin: Robin Berjon, self employes, working for long on standards, much interest in eGov

Robin Berjon: Robin Berjon, self employes, working for long on standards, much interest in eGov [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:24:32 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me

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13:24:40 <darobin> KK: Kjetil Kjernsmo, Computas

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Kjetil Kjernsmo, Computas

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13:25:20 <darobin> KK: a fair share of our business is in the public sector, I've long been involved with W3C, and previously with Opera

Kjetil Kjernsmo: a fair share of our business is in the public sector, I've long been involved with W3C, and previously with Opera

13:25:33 <darobin> JS: John Sheridan, The National Archives

John Sheridan: John Sheridan, The National Archives

13:25:47 <Mercedes> Head of Online Product Strategy (nee Head of Web Team) at The National Archives. No experience of W3C and mildly confused.

Mercedes Clark-Smith: Head of Online Product Strategy (nee Head of Web Team) at The National Archives. No experience of W3C and mildly confused.

13:26:10 <darobin> JS: my role is information policy, notably information reuse, interest in SemWeb

John Sheridan: my role is information policy, notably information reuse, interest in SemWeb

13:26:21 <darobin> Mercedes: nothing wrong with a bit of confusion :)

Mercedes Clark-Smith: nothing wrong with a bit of confusion :)

13:26:39 <darobin> RC: Roberto Castaldo, IWA-HWG

Roberto Castaldo: Roberto Castaldo, IWA-HWG

13:26:54 <josema> yep, Mercedes, this usually happens ;)

José Alonso: yep, Mercedes, this usually happens ;)

13:26:59 <darobin> RC: Italian chapter, coordinator of ??? [scribe can't hear]

Roberto Castaldo: Italian chapter, coordinator of IWA [scribe can't hear]

13:27:07 <josema> s/???/IWA
13:27:31 <darobin> RC: I am a teacher in secondary school and in the private sector too

Roberto Castaldo: I am a teacher in secondary school and in the private sector too

13:28:55 <josema> ... also working on WCAG

José Alonso: ... also working on WCAG

13:29:58 <josema> ... absolutely necessary to stat this group

José Alonso: ... absolutely necessary to stat this group

13:30:03 <RobertoCastaldo> I'm the coordinator of http://webaccessibile.org, an italian resource about Web accessibility

Roberto Castaldo: I'm the coordinator of http://webaccessibile.org, an italian resource about Web accessibility

13:30:08 <josema> .... need to outreach more about open standards to Govs

José Alonso: .... need to outreach more about open standards to Govs

13:30:12 <darobin> OA: Owen Ambur, retired US civil servant with extensive experience

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Unknown OA: Owen Ambur, retired US civil servant with extensive experience

13:30:16 <Zakim> -darobin

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13:30:22 <darobin> ooooops

ooooops

13:30:27 <darobin> my phone just went dark

my phone just went dark

13:30:50 <darobin> josema: can you read this?

José Alonso: can you read this?

13:31:20 <josema> ... xml.gov, StratML

José Alonso: ... xml.gov, StratML

13:31:20 <darobin> josema: my phone line just went poof and I can't dial back in :(

José Alonso: my phone line just went poof and I can't dial back in :(

13:31:22 <josema> see http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives

José Alonso: see http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives

13:31:35 <darobin> sorry about that, I'll keep trying

sorry about that, I'll keep trying

13:31:48 <josema> don't worry, I go ahead

José Alonso: don't worry, I go ahead

13:31:52 <josema> scribe: josema

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13:31:58 <josema> close this agendum

close this agendum

13:32:02 <josema> move to next agendum

move to next agendum

13:32:02 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Intro: 2 minutes round the table" taken up [from 15min]

4. Intro: 2 minutes round the table

13:32:03 <pasquale> please, irc me when I can present myself

Pasquale Popolizio: please, irc me when I can present myself

13:32:58 <josema> zakim, aahh is Oscar

zakim, aahh is Oscar

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Zakim IRC Bot: +Oscar; got it

13:33:29 <josema> OA: Principal Architect at State Government Of Asturias

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Unknown OA: Principal Architect at State Government Of Asturias

13:33:35 <josema> ... first time at W3C

... first time at W3C

13:33:49 <josema> Katie: US Federal Gov, Webcontent

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Unknown Katie: US Federal Gov, Webcontent

13:34:02 <josema> ... provide financial services to banking systems

... provide financial services to banking systems

13:34:14 <josema> ... interested in usability, providing services to citizens

... interested in usability, providing services to citizens

13:34:38 <josema> zakim,  ??P11 is Katie

zakim, ??P11 is Katie

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13:35:08 <josema> zakim , +2 is vassilios

zakim , +2 is vassilios

13:35:12 <josema> zakim, +2 is vassilios

zakim, +2 is vassilios

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13:35:20 <josema> zakim, who's here

zakim, who's here

13:35:20 <Zakim> josema, you need to end that query with '?'

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13:35:26 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

13:35:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, Katie, vassilios, peter_krantz, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, Oscar, OwenAmbur

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, Katie, vassilios, peter_krantz, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, Oscar, OwenAmbur

13:35:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil

13:35:38 <josema> VP: DERI IE, Semantic Web for eGov

Vassilios Peristeras: DERI IE, Semantic Web for eGov

13:36:20 <josema> pasquale, could you introduce yourself?

pasquale, could you introduce yourself?

13:36:27 <vassilios> www.deri.ie for an overview of DERI

Vassilios Peristeras: www.deri.ie for an overview of DERI

13:36:33 <pasquale> Pasquale Popolizio, IWA-HWG, I'm a Web accessibility specialist and

Pasquale Popolizio: Pasquale Popolizio, IWA-HWG, I'm a Web accessibility specialist and

13:36:36 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

13:36:41 <pasquale> a Web Semantic researcher, from Naples, Italy, EU.

Pasquale Popolizio: a Web Semantic researcher, from Naples, Italy, EU.

13:36:48 <pasquale> I work for University of Naples Federico II for its e-learning program

Pasquale Popolizio: I work for University of Naples Federico II for its e-learning program

13:36:56 <darobin> Zakim: ??P14 is me
13:36:59 <pasquale> http://www.federica.unina.it

Pasquale Popolizio: http://www.federica.unina.it

13:37:00 <darobin> Zakim, ??P14 is me

Robin Berjon: Zakim, ??P14 is me

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13:37:07 <pasquale> and for FORMEZ

Pasquale Popolizio: and for FORMEZ

13:37:13 <pasquale> http://www.formez.it

Pasquale Popolizio: http://www.formez.it

13:37:20 <pasquale> a Government Agency for education,

Pasquale Popolizio: a Government Agency for education,

13:37:29 <pasquale> or evaluating the Web accessibility of Regional

Pasquale Popolizio: or evaluating the Web accessibility of Regional

13:37:29 <pasquale> Government of Campania Web sites.

Pasquale Popolizio: Government of Campania Web sites.

13:37:37 <pasquale> I also participate into W3C WAI Education & Outreach WG, Internationalization (I18N)

Pasquale Popolizio: I also participate into W3C WAI Education & Outreach WG, Internationalization (I18N)

13:37:37 <pasquale> Core Group and HTML WG.

Pasquale Popolizio: Core Group and HTML WG.

13:37:45 <pasquale> I created and maintain the Italian resource about Sem Web, websemantico.org,

Pasquale Popolizio: I created and maintain the Italian resource about Sem Web, websemantico.org,

13:37:51 <pasquale> where you can find articles and Italian translation about Sem Web.

Pasquale Popolizio: where you can find articles and Italian translation about Sem Web.

13:38:00 <pasquale> My desire: an accessible Web more Semantic, and a Semantic Web more accessible.

Pasquale Popolizio: My desire: an accessible Web more Semantic, and a Semantic Web more accessible.

13:38:05 <pasquale> linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pasqualepopolizio

Pasquale Popolizio: linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pasqualepopolizio

13:38:17 <pasquale> hi all, and thank you ;-)

Pasquale Popolizio: hi all, and thank you ;-)

13:38:25 <josema> hi pasquale, thank you!

hi pasquale, thank you!

13:38:41 <josema> close this agendum

close this agendum

13:38:49 <josema> move to next agendum

move to next agendum

13:38:49 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Use Cases and Requirements" taken up [from 35min]

5. Use Cases and Requirements

13:39:02 <darobin> JA: so, let's move on to some real work

José Alonso: so, let's move on to some real work [ Scribe Assist by Robin Berjon ]

13:39:35 <josema> scribe: robin

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13:39:37 <darobin> KN: the three main topic areas are outlined in the charter

Kevin Novak: the three main topic areas are outlined in the charter

13:39:46 <josema> scribeNick: darobin
13:39:46 <darobin> scribe: darobin
13:39:54 <darobin> oops, right, sorry :)

oops, right, sorry :)

13:40:16 <darobin> KN: we should focus first on use cases and research that already exist

Kevin Novak: we should focus first on use cases and research that already exist

13:40:29 <darobin> KN: there are already quite a few people working this area

Kevin Novak: there are already quite a few people working this area

13:40:38 <josema> some topics:

José Alonso: some topics:

13:40:43 <josema> [[    * Work and practicalities

José Alonso: [[ * Work and practicalities

13:40:43 <josema>     * Avoiding scope problems

José Alonso: * Avoiding scope problems

13:40:43 <josema>     * Identification of challenges

José Alonso: * Identification of challenges

13:40:43 <josema>     * Charter deliverables

José Alonso: * Charter deliverables

13:40:44 <josema>      (see: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#deliverables)

José Alonso: (see: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#deliverables)

13:40:44 <josema>     * W3C process and Group Notes

José Alonso: * W3C process and Group Notes

13:40:46 <josema>      (see: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/)

José Alonso: (see: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/)

13:40:48 <josema>     * Task Forces coordination]]

José Alonso: * Task Forces coordination]]

13:40:53 <darobin> KN: by the end of this year we could develop an issues paper for the following work

Kevin Novak: by the end of this year we could develop an issues paper for the following work

13:41:30 <darobin> JA: a year is short, so we need to be very focused and scope our work clearly

José Alonso: a year is short, so we need to be very focused and scope our work clearly

13:41:52 <darobin> JA: picking a few very specific use cases from which to draw requirements by the end of the year

José Alonso: picking a few very specific use cases from which to draw requirements by the end of the year

13:42:03 <darobin> JA: and based on that try to tackle those problems

José Alonso: and based on that try to tackle those problems

13:42:16 <darobin> JA: this will be complicated, eGov is a huge topic

José Alonso: this will be complicated, eGov is a huge topic

13:42:48 <darobin> JA: we are not that many to tackle so many issues

José Alonso: we are not that many to tackle so many issues

13:42:59 <darobin> JA: the question: how to you envision the group's work

José Alonso: the question: how to you envision the group's work

13:43:27 <peter_krantz> http://www.epractice.eu/

Peter Krantz: http://www.epractice.eu/

13:43:29 <darobin> JA: we have an example here in the EU of a website compiling a lot of information on eGov

José Alonso: we have an example here in the EU of a website compiling a lot of information on eGov

13:43:45 <darobin> JA: but it's difficult to extract the most common issues that need to be solved

José Alonso: but it's difficult to extract the most common issues that need to be solved

13:44:20 <darobin> JA: the charter is quite ambitious

José Alonso: the charter is quite ambitious

13:44:44 <darobin> JA: we need to narrow down the scope of those three areas so that it's manageable

José Alonso: we need to narrow down the scope of those three areas so that it's manageable

13:45:33 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me

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13:45:48 <RobertoCastaldo> Zakim, mute me

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13:45:54 <josema> Robin: agree, we should narrow the scope early

Robin Berjon: agree, we should narrow the scope early [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:46:06 <josema> ... takes time to produce just one document

José Alonso: ... takes time to produce just one document

13:46:07 <darobin> Zakim, mute me

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13:47:18 <darobin> Ari: I agree, it can take a lot of time to produce W3C documents, and it can take a lot of time to work on eGov issue, so we have potential catastrophe here

Ari Schwartz: I agree, it can take a lot of time to produce W3C documents, and it can take a lot of time to work on eGov issue, so we have potential catastrophe here

13:48:02 <darobin> JA: Chris will coordinate the first TF "Usage of Web Standards", Ari "Transparency and Participation", and Oscar "Seamless Integration of Data"

José Alonso: Chris will coordinate the first TF "Usage of Web Standards", Ari "Transparency and Participation", and Oscar "Seamless Integration of Data"

13:48:51 <darobin> Oscar: I completely agree about the scope issues, so I would say that we should first make an overview of different areas

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Unknown Oscar: I completely agree about the scope issues, so I would say that we should first make an overview of different areas

13:48:58 <darobin> [someone is breathing into their phone]

[someone is breathing into their phone]

13:49:01 <josema> Chris Testa, USHMM; http://www.ushmm.org/

José Alonso: Chris Testa, USHMM; http://www.ushmm.org/

13:49:16 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy?

13:49:27 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie (9%), vassilios (9%), Oscar (72%)

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie (9%), vassilios (9%), Oscar (72%)

13:49:36 <darobin> Oscar: we need to be very specific, otherwise the group is going to get lost

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Unknown Oscar: we need to be very specific, otherwise the group is going to get lost

13:49:56 <darobin> [I'm not sure that's exactly what he said, someone was enacting Darth Vader at the same time]

[I'm not sure that's exactly what he said, someone was enacting Darth Vader at the same time]

13:50:31 <darobin> Ari: there's been a lot of discussion about e-Democracy and many projects, and narrowing the focus to where we can be most useful as a group

Ari Schwartz: there's been a lot of discussion about e-Democracy and many projects, and narrowing the focus to where we can be most useful as a group

13:51:06 <Zakim> -Katie

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13:51:20 <darobin> KN: at least for the first year, though we have three TFs we believe it is best to have the entire IG meet as one to encourage discussion and focus

Kevin Novak: at least for the first year, though we have three TFs we believe it is best to have the entire IG meet as one to encourage discussion and focus

13:52:41 <darobin> JA: we were reviewing different approaches, and we saw a number of docs being Foo Use Cases & Requirement

José Alonso: we were reviewing different approaches, and we saw a number of docs being Foo Use Cases & Requirement

13:52:55 <josema> example: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/NOTE-powder-use-cases-20071031/

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Unknown example: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/NOTE-powder-use-cases-20071031/ [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:53:19 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/TR/xbc-use-cases/

http://www.w3.org/TR/xbc-use-cases/

13:53:48 <josema> different example: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-age-literature/

José Alonso: different example: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-age-literature/

13:54:18 <darobin> JA: then we have "Literature Review" documents, which take a different approach

José Alonso: then we have "Literature Review" documents, which take a different approach

13:54:43 <darobin> kjetil, wanna go first?

kjetil, wanna go first?

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13:55:38 <darobin> KK: the POWDER UC is mostly targeted towards developing a very specific technology, and used as a way to check that the technology solution matched the requirements

Kjetil Kjernsmo: the POWDER UC is mostly targeted towards developing a very specific technology, and used as a way to check that the technology solution matched the requirements

13:55:45 <darobin> KK: for POWED it was useful

Kjetil Kjernsmo: for POWED it was useful

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13:56:13 <josema> robin: XBC use cases, not to produce technical solution?

Robin Berjon: XBC use cases, not to produce technical solution? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:56:21 <kjetil> darobin, you're breaking up  a bit

Kjetil Kjernsmo: darobin, you're breaking up a bit

13:56:26 <josema> ... views of different stakeholders

José Alonso: ... views of different stakeholders

13:57:33 <josema> ... even if not all the use cases are there, useful enough as a start

José Alonso: ... even if not all the use cases are there, useful enough as a start

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13:58:38 <darobin> Oscar: we all have different backgrounds, and that should help us to have a more general approach

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Unknown Oscar: we all have different backgrounds, and that should help us to have a more general approach

13:59:04 <darobin> Oscar: we should all make a list of use cases, and see which ones we pick. And then later produce useful standards

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Unknown Oscar: we should all make a list of use cases, and see which ones we pick. And then later produce useful standards

13:59:43 <darobin> Oscar: so we start general and get more specific

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Unknown Oscar: so we start general and get more specific

13:59:59 <darobin> KN: agreed, and it should all be posted to the wiki (and to email)

Kevin Novak: agreed, and it should all be posted to the wiki (and to email)

14:00:34 <darobin> ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF

ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF

14:00:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Oscar

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Oscar

14:00:38 <darobin> ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF

ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF

14:00:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [on Ari Schwartz - due 2008-07-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-1 - Open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [on Ari Schwartz - due 2008-07-02].

14:00:41 <darobin> ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF

ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF

14:00:41 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris

14:01:33 <darobin> ??: how far do we intend to take public participation

??: how far do we intend to take public participation

14:02:24 <darobin> JA: for those who have worked in a WG before, you'll know that the tools have been developed to do Rec-track work, in private

José Alonso: for those who have worked in a WG before, you'll know that the tools have been developed to do Rec-track work, in private

14:02:48 <darobin> JA: this group is different, and the tools have had to be reconfigured, things are changing

José Alonso: this group is different, and the tools have had to be reconfigured, things are changing

14:03:02 <darobin> JA: I myself would like this group be as open as possible

José Alonso: I myself would like this group be as open as possible

14:03:16 <darobin> JA: lower every barrier that can lowered

José Alonso: lower every barrier that can lowered

14:04:39 <darobin> JA: the Process creates formalities, but everyone is welcome nevertheless

José Alonso: the Process creates formalities, but everyone is welcome nevertheless

14:04:53 <darobin> JA: we are encouraging Invited Experts

José Alonso: we are encouraging Invited Experts

14:05:14 <darobin> JA: we skip W3M approval for IEs

José Alonso: we skip W3M approval for IEs

14:06:05 <darobin> JA: I hope you don't mind that people will have access to everything

José Alonso: I hope you don't mind that people will have access to everything

14:06:33 <darobin> JA: only the group members can write, but everyone can read (and membership is open anyway)

José Alonso: only the group members can write, but everyone can read (and membership is open anyway)

14:07:58 <darobin> JA: I was thinking about generating our documents from the Wiki, everyone could see the evolution of the draft

José Alonso: I was thinking about generating our documents from the Wiki, everyone could see the evolution of the draft

14:08:15 <darobin> JA: the minutes of this call are logged publicly, and will be emailed right after

José Alonso: the minutes of this call are logged publicly, and will be emailed right after

14:09:19 <darobin> KN: I think that the openness is very important, many people might not have the financial option of participating, and being public helps make sure that we are accountable to our requirements

Kevin Novak: I think that the openness is very important, many people might not have the financial option of participating, and being public helps make sure that we are accountable to our requirements

14:09:44 <darobin> KN: I hope we can get smart people out there to join as IEs

Kevin Novak: I hope we can get smart people out there to join as IEs

14:09:52 <vassilios> Could someone prepare an invitation email for promoting these kind of participation?

Vassilios Peristeras: Could someone prepare an invitation email for promoting these kind of participation?

14:10:24 <darobin> JS: I agree with that, but I would like to note that if you're an official working for a govt there may be some things that you cannot say publicly

John Sheridan: I agree with that, but I would like to note that if you're an official working for a govt there may be some things that you cannot say publicly

14:10:58 <darobin> JS: there are things that we would be willing to share if not attributable, off the record, and some of those might be amongst the more interesting

John Sheridan: there are things that we would be willing to share if not attributable, off the record, and some of those might be amongst the more interesting

14:11:24 <josema> Yep, Vassilios, any specific topics you'd like to addressed there?

José Alonso: Yep, Vassilios, any specific topics you'd like to addressed there?

14:11:35 <darobin> KN: I very much understand that point, and we might develop a way to have a backchannel for those situations

Kevin Novak: I very much understand that point, and we might develop a way to have a backchannel for those situations

14:12:36 <darobin> JA: you can always ask the scribe to take you off the record

José Alonso: you can always ask the scribe to take you off the record

14:12:50 <darobin> JA: we can also have a seperate mailing list or a member-only wiki

José Alonso: we can also have a seperate mailing list or a member-only wiki

14:13:01 <darobin> JA: if there is value for that, I can set it up

José Alonso: if there is value for that, I can set it up

14:13:29 <darobin> OA: I have a very strong preference for openness, especially since we're working on Transparency & Participation

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Unknown OA: I have a very strong preference for openness, especially since we're working on Transparency & Participation

14:14:14 <vassilios> Returning back to the content, could we introduce a round where WG participants

Vassilios Peristeras: Returning back to the content, could we introduce a round where WG participants

14:14:14 <vassilios> could send to the TF leaders ideas for possible inclusion in future discussions?

Vassilios Peristeras: could send to the TF leaders ideas for possible inclusion in future discussions?

14:14:19 <darobin> JA: let's talk about the liaisons

José Alonso: let's talk about the liaisons

14:14:40 <darobin> vassilios: you can always propose agenda items on the mailing list

Vassilios Peristeras: you can always propose agenda items on the mailing list

14:14:41 <josema> close this agendum

José Alonso: close this agendum

14:14:46 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum

14:14:46 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones " taken up [from 15min]

6. Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones

14:15:04 <darobin> KN: OASIS is asking that we don't duplicate efforts, and their eGov activity is being resurrected

Kevin Novak: OASIS is asking that we don't duplicate efforts, and their eGov activity is being resurrected

14:15:21 <darobin> KN: we talked Monday about that and about potential synergies

Kevin Novak: we talked Monday about that and about potential synergies

14:15:25 <josema> soem here: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives

José Alonso: some here: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives

14:15:34 <josema> s/soem/some
14:15:38 <josema> some more here: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#coordination.external

José Alonso: some more here: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#coordination.external

14:15:56 <darobin> KN: we could co-lead conferences or events

Kevin Novak: we could co-lead conferences or events

14:16:06 <darobin> KN: we could meet regularly, share docs

Kevin Novak: we could meet regularly, share docs

14:17:00 <darobin> JA: we are chartered to talk to other organisations

José Alonso: we are chartered to talk to other organisations

14:17:36 <darobin> JA: usual discussion is "we would love to chat with you"

José Alonso: usual discussion is "we would love to chat with you"

14:17:44 <vassilios> http://www.semic.eu/semic/

Vassilios Peristeras: http://www.semic.eu/semic/

14:17:59 <darobin> JA: the problem of course is one of scope

José Alonso: the problem of course is one of scope

14:18:14 <vassilios> http://osor.eu/

Vassilios Peristeras: http://osor.eu/

14:18:21 <darobin> JA: governments expect from us a suite of open standards that would help them achieve their goals

José Alonso: governments expect from us a suite of open standards that would help them achieve their goals

14:18:50 <darobin> JA: they need an integrated solution to their problems

José Alonso: they need an integrated solution to their problems

14:19:04 <josema> http://www.oasis-egov.org/

José Alonso: http://www.oasis-egov.org/

14:19:36 <darobin> JA: OASIS had a Technical Committee (TC), like a W3C WG, but switched to a less technical approach

José Alonso: OASIS had a Technical Committee (TC), like a W3C WG, but switched to a less technical approach

14:19:55 <darobin> JA: their charter looks very similar to ours

José Alonso: their charter looks very similar to ours

14:20:21 <darobin> JA: that is not because one copied on the other, but simply because we are getting our information from the same sources

José Alonso: that is not because one copied on the other, but simply because we are getting our information from the same sources

14:20:32 <darobin> JA: there is common ground that could be explored

José Alonso: there is common ground that could be explored

14:21:08 <darobin> JA: they also have their first call this week

José Alonso: they also have their first call this week

14:21:15 <darobin> JA: ongoing discussion with them

José Alonso: ongoing discussion with them

14:22:11 <darobin> KN: any opinion?

Kevin Novak: any opinion?

14:22:36 <darobin> PK: I think it's important to collaborate to avoid duplicate standards which create confusion

Peter Krantz: I think it's important to collaborate to avoid duplicate standards which create confusion

14:22:50 <RobertoCastaldo> Completely agree, standards cannot be duplicated

Roberto Castaldo: Completely agree, standards cannot be duplicated

14:23:17 <darobin> JS: if we are missing links, it should tell us who we want to bring into this group

John Sheridan: if we are missing links, it should tell us who we want to bring into this group

14:23:33 <darobin> in other groups there are "Liaison Officers"

in other groups there are "Liaison Officers"

14:24:45 <darobin> I think that joint work can be great but you still want one person to be responsible for the contact so that the link isn't dropped IMHO

I think that joint work can be great but you still want one person to be responsible for the contact so that the link isn't dropped IMHO

14:24:53 <darobin> OA: we should focus on common objectives

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Unknown OA: we should focus on common objectives

14:25:31 <darobin> OA: I would be more than happy to map to StratML this group and other groups so that we can see common goals

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Unknown OA: I would be more than happy to map to StratML this group and other groups so that we can see common goals

14:27:10 <darobin> PS: we should be clear about where we as individuals are participating elsewhere, that can help a lot in creating links

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Unknown PS: we should be clear about where we as individuals are participating elsewhere, that can help a lot in creating links

14:27:37 <RobertoCastaldo> agree

Roberto Castaldo: agree

14:27:43 <darobin> KN: I think that's a great idea, are people open to posting it to the wiki

Kevin Novak: I think that's a great idea, are people open to posting it to the wiki

14:27:50 <darobin> JS: completely open about that

John Sheridan: completely open about that

14:28:06 <ari> agree

Ari Schwartz: agree

14:28:16 <Mercedes> Sorry, I have to go. Useful discussion though.

Mercedes Clark-Smith: Sorry, I have to go. Useful discussion though.

14:28:46 <darobin> JA: we should talk about the status of liaisons regularly

José Alonso: we should talk about the status of liaisons regularly

14:29:14 <darobin> JA: I will talk to the OASIS people about StratML

José Alonso: I will talk to the OASIS people about StratML

14:29:35 <darobin> OA: it's under the auspices of AIM [there was echo]

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Unknown OA: it's under the auspices of AIM [there was echo]

14:29:45 <josema> close this agendum

José Alonso: close this agendum

14:29:49 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum

14:29:49 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Next Meeting" taken up [from 5min]

7. Next Meeting

14:30:43 <darobin> JA: I will be on holidays most of July, I don't know how the group feels about moving ahead without me

José Alonso: I will be on holidays most of July, I don't know how the group feels about moving ahead without me

14:31:01 <darobin> JA: I personally encourage you to work

José Alonso: I personally encourage you to work

14:32:37 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, unmute me

14:32:37 <Zakim> kjetil should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should no longer be muted

14:32:39 <kjetil> q+

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+

14:32:41 <darobin> JA: the telcon is scheduled, the bots will work, the only possible issue could be minutes

José Alonso: the telcon is scheduled, the bots will work, the only possible issue could be minutes

14:32:55 <johnlsheridan> Lets go for another in July

John Sheridan: Lets go for another in July

14:32:57 <darobin> RESOLUTION: we will have our regular meetings without josema

RESOLVED: we will have our regular meetings without josema

14:33:12 <darobin> JA: the next one would be July 9

José Alonso: the next one would be July 9

14:33:15 <kjetil> q-

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q-

14:34:17 <darobin> KN: I encourage everyone to use email and the wiki so that we don't lose momentum between calls

Kevin Novak: I encourage everyone to use email and the wiki so that we don't lose momentum between calls

14:34:20 <darobin> MEETING ADJOURNED

MEETING ADJOURNED

14:34:26 <Zakim> -OwenAmbur

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Zakim IRC Bot: -OwenAmbur

14:34:26 <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes

RRSAgent IRC Bot: make minutes

14:34:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html darobin

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html darobin

14:34:27 <RobertoCastaldo> Nice meeting, bye all :-)

Roberto Castaldo: Nice meeting, bye all :-)

14:34:29 <vassilios> thanks

Vassilios Peristeras: thanks

14:34:31 <Zakim> -kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin

14:34:32 <Zakim> -kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: -kjetil

14:34:32 <Zakim> -peter_krantz

Zakim IRC Bot: -peter_krantz

14:34:33 <Zakim> -Herbert

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Herbert

14:34:33 <Zakim> -darobin

Zakim IRC Bot: -darobin

14:34:35 <Zakim> -RobertoCastaldo

Zakim IRC Bot: -RobertoCastaldo

14:34:37 <Zakim> -Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema

14:34:40 <Zakim> -Oscar

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Oscar

14:34:41 <Zakim> -vassilios

Zakim IRC Bot: -vassilios

14:34:43 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

14:34:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.316.873.aaaa, Josema, +7.711.aadd, darobin, +47.67.83.aaee, kjetil, john, +1.301.455.aaff, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, +1.202.626.aagg, OwenAmbur, kevin,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +43.316.873.aaaa, Josema, +7.711.aadd, darobin, +47.67.83.aaee, kjetil, john, +1.301.455.aaff, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, +1.202.626.aagg, OwenAmbur, kevin,

14:34:48 <Zakim> ... +34.98.439.aahh, Herbert, Ari, Oscar, Katie, vassilios

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +34.98.439.aahh, Herbert, Ari, Oscar, Katie, vassilios

14:34:53 <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes public

RRSAgent IRC Bot: make minutes public

14:34:53 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', darobin.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', darobin. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:34:56 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees

José Alonso: RRSAgent, list attendees

14:34:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:35:21 <darobin> RRSAgent: make log public

RRSAgent IRC Bot: make log public

14:35:29 <darobin> RRSAgent: pointer?

RRSAgent IRC Bot: pointer?

14:35:29 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-35-29

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-35-29

14:35:39 <darobin> there we go

there we go

14:35:39 <josema> robin, trackbot takes care of that now :)

José Alonso: robin, trackbot takes care of that now :)

14:35:44 <darobin> oh!

oh!

14:35:52 <darobin> good bot :)

good bot :)

14:36:09 <josema> thanks very much for scribing today!

José Alonso: thanks very much for scribing today!

14:36:14 <darobin> you're welcome

you're welcome

14:36:18 <josema> hope your neck does not hurt much ;)

José Alonso: hope your neck does not hurt much ;)

14:36:21 <darobin> do you want me to send out the minutes

do you want me to send out the minutes

14:36:35 <darobin> nah it's okay, I mostly hate my phone for just dropping dead!

nah it's okay, I mostly hate my phone for just dropping dead!

14:36:52 <josema> don't worry about it, I will edit it a bit to make them more beautiful and send them out :)

José Alonso: don't worry about it, I will edit it a bit to make them more beautiful and send them out :)

14:37:01 <darobin> okay, thanks :)

okay, thanks :)

14:37:31 <josema> rrsagent, generate minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, generate minutes

14:37:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html josema

15:21:06 <josema> RRSagent, bye

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José Alonso: RRSagent, bye

15:21:06 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-actions.rdf :

15:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [1]

ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [1]

15:21:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-34

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-34

15:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [2]

ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [2]

15:21:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-38

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-38

15:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [3]

ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [3]

15:21:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-41

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-41



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