Meeting Record

eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 05 November 2007

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-eGov-Team
Present: Unknown JoseMa, Unknown Shadi, Unknown Stephane, Unknown Klaus, Unknown AnneB, Unknown Ralph
IRC Log: Original
Resolutions: None.
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15:11:54 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-egov-irc

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15:12:31 <steph> hi shadi

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Unknown steph: hi shadi ←

15:16:26 <Ralph> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-eGov-Team

15:17:06 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-eGov-Team "eGovernment: what we've done, what should we do?" - JoseMa's slides

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-eGov-Team "eGovernment: what we've done, what should we do?" - JoseMa's slides ←

15:22:39 <Ralph> Jose: current problems for Gov'ts are that the requirements are not well-specified

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Unknown Jose: current problems for Gov'ts are that the requirements are not well-specified [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:22:51 <Ralph> ... e.g. CMS doesn't produce Accessible content

Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. CMS doesn't produce Accessible content ←

15:23:39 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/symposium-spain-report Report of European W3C Symposium on eGovernment

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/symposium-spain-report Report of European W3C Symposium on eGovernment ←

15:27:37 <Ralph> Present: JoseMa, Shadi, Stephane, Klaus, AnneB, Ralph

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15:32:26 <Ralph> JoseMa: Gartner provides a 30-page interoperability framework document to the EU, which then is re-used by each country

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Unknown JoseMa: Gartner provides a 30-page interoperability framework document to the EU, which then is re-used by each country [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:32:35 <Ralph> ... first version published 2-3 years ago

Unknown Ralph: ... first version published 2-3 years ago ←

15:33:59 <Ralph> -> http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/servlets/Doc?id=29101 http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/servlets/Doc?id=29101 (2007-04-06)

Unknown Ralph: -> http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/servlets/Doc?id=29101 http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/servlets/Doc?id=29101 (2007-04-06) ←

15:34:51 <Ralph> -> http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/6227 Revision of the EIF and AG

Unknown Ralph: -> http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/6227 Revision of the EIF and AG ←

15:36:15 <Ralph> -> http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/3761 European Interoperability Framework for pan-European eGovernment Services

Unknown Ralph: -> http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/3761 European Interoperability Framework for pan-European eGovernment Services ←

15:37:24 <Ralph> Present+ Daniel

Unknown Ralph: Present+ Daniel ←

15:38:32 <Ralph> Present+ Judy, karl

Unknown Ralph: Present+ Judy, karl ←

15:39:25 <Ralph> JoseMa: Slovenia has a law disallowing requesting the same data twice from one person

Unknown JoseMa: Slovenia has a law disallowing requesting the same data twice from one person [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:00:16 <Ralph> Stephane: last year in India when talking Tata Consulting and InfoSys they said they were satisfying their customers

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Unknown Stephane: last year in India when talking Tata Consulting and InfoSys they said they were satisfying their customers [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:23 <Ralph> Anne: Boeing uses WiPro

Unknown AnneB: Boeing uses WiPro [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:33 <Ralph> ... my impression is that they only do the job they're asked to do

Unknown Ralph: ... my impression is that they only do the job they're asked to do ←

16:02:45 <Ralph> ... if they weren't told to do accessibility, they won't do it

Unknown Ralph: ... if they weren't told to do accessibility, they won't do it ←

16:06:32 <Ralph> DD: champions

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Unknown DD: champions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:13:08 <josema> josema has changed the topic to: egov meeting discussion

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Unknown JoseMa: josema has changed the topic to: egov meeting discussion ←

16:18:00 <karl> http://dev.mobi/node/655

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Unknown karl: http://dev.mobi/node/655 ←

16:18:08 <karl> Should government web sites be required to have mobile-friendly versions?

Unknown karl: Should government web sites be required to have mobile-friendly versions? ←

16:18:16 <karl> ronan's picture

Unknown karl: ronan's picture ←

16:18:16 <karl> Posted November 2nd, 2007 by ronan

Unknown karl: Posted November 2nd, 2007 by ronan ←

16:22:10 <Ralph> Stephane: we'll have an e-learning MW Best Practices course by the end of this year

Unknown Stephane: we'll have an e-learning MW Best Practices course by the end of this year [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:22:28 <Ralph> ... currently studying e-learning platforms

Unknown Ralph: ... currently studying e-learning platforms ←

16:28:03 <Ralph> AnneB: Boeing has a series of "Ten Minute Trainers"

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Unknown AnneB: Boeing has a series of "Ten Minute Trainers" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:28:13 <Ralph> ... e.g. "what is a wiki?"

Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. "what is a wiki?" ←

16:35:30 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/09/sb_mwisc/all.htm "Future Strategies for the Mobile Web in Developing Countries" Stephane's slides

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/09/sb_mwisc/all.htm "Future Strategies for the Mobile Web in Developing Countries" Stephane's slides ←

16:39:42 <Ralph> Stephane: no banking application works across carriers due to security & interoperability problems

Unknown Stephane: no banking application works across carriers due to security & interoperability problems [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:40:17 <Ralph> ... 160-character limitation of sms results in limited interaction

Unknown Ralph: ... 160-character limitation of sms results in limited interaction ←

16:41:41 <Ralph> ... no SMS application hosting services currently on the market

Unknown Ralph: ... no SMS application hosting services currently on the market ←

16:54:27 <karl> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=uganda&ie=UTF8&ll=1.537901,32.76123&spn=11.162314,11.953125&z=6&om=1

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16:54:30 <karl> Uganda map

Unknown karl: Uganda map ←

16:56:08 <josema> Uganda GSM coverage maps available from:

Unknown JoseMa: Uganda GSM coverage maps available from: ←

16:56:10 <josema> -> http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ug.shtml

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16:57:15 <Ralph> Stephane: challenge to redesign UIs to be appropriate for people on mobile devices who have no computer experience

Unknown Stephane: challenge to redesign UIs to be appropriate for people on mobile devices who have no computer experience [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:57:38 <Ralph> ... things like menu bars, URIs, have no meaning for these people

Unknown Ralph: ... things like menu bars, URIs, have no meaning for these people ←

16:58:39 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/public.html "The Mobile Web in Developing Countries: Next Steps" (public home page)

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17:00:10 <Ralph> Karl: unique identity problems when the mobile device is shared among many people

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Unknown Karl: unique identity problems when the mobile device is shared among many people [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

17:02:03 <Ralph> Stephane: unique application in Africa -- store and forward messaging in nomadic tribes

Unknown Stephane: unique application in Africa -- store and forward messaging in nomadic tribes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

17:02:08 <karl> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/190  - cool Talk about Mobile Phones

Unknown karl: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/190 - cool Talk about Mobile Phones ←

17:02:09 <karl>  Nokia researcher Jan Chipchase's investigation into the ways we interact with technology has led him from the villages of Uganda to the insides of our pockets. Along the way, he's made some unexpected discoveries: about the novel ways illiterate people interface with their cellphones, or the role the cellphone can sometimes play in commerce, or the deep emotional bonds we all seem to share with our phones. And watch for his surefire trick to keep you from mispl

Unknown karl: Nokia researcher Jan Chipchase's investigation into the ways we interact with technology has led him from the villages of Uganda to the insides of our pockets. Along the way, he's made some unexpected discoveries: about the novel ways illiterate people interface with their cellphones, or the role the cellphone can sometimes play in commerce, or the deep emotional bonds we all seem to share with our phones. And watch for his surefire trick to keep you from mispl ←

17:02:09 <karl> acing your keys.

Unknown karl: acing your keys. ←

17:03:12 <Ralph> pointer, Karl?

Unknown Ralph: pointer, Karl? ←

17:03:45 <Ralph> http://research.nokia.com/people/jan_chipchase/

Unknown Ralph: http://research.nokia.com/people/jan_chipchase/ ←

17:03:52 <karl> :) sorry

Unknown karl: :) sorry ←

17:06:20 <steph> i know Jan and i'm in touch with him

Unknown Stephane: i know Jan and i'm in touch with him ←

17:25:10 <Ralph> JoseMa: Canada is the OAS member contributing the most funding for eGov work

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17:26:27 <karl> [steph, Jan is a very cool person]

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17:32:59 <Ralph> [lunch break]

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19:01:11 <josema> preliminary report from eGov workshop in the US

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Unknown JoseMa: preliminary report from eGov workshop in the US ←

19:01:13 <josema> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/eGov-dc/summary.html

Unknown JoseMa: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/eGov-dc/summary.html ←

19:25:17 <josema> DD: Liaisons with other organizations to build broader BPs, eg. what email system should be used (POP, IMAP...)

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Unknown DD: Liaisons with other organizations to build broader BPs, eg. what email system should be used (POP, IMAP...) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown JoseMa ] ←

19:27:09 <steph> https://www.ateliers.modernisation.gouv.fr/ministeres/domaines_d_expertise/architecture_fonctio/public/rgi/referentiel_general1617/downloadFile/file/Referentiel_General_Interoperabilite_Volet_Technique_V0.90.pdf

Unknown Stephane: https://www.ateliers.modernisation.gouv.fr/ministeres/domaines_d_expertise/architecture_fonctio/public/rgi/referentiel_general1617/downloadFile/file/Referentiel_General_Interoperabilite_Volet_Technique_V0.90.pdf ←

19:27:28 <josema> French eGov Guidelines in that sense

Unknown JoseMa: French eGov Guidelines in that sense ←

19:45:09 <josema> DD: IG to produce eGov Activity Proposal?

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Unknown DD: IG to produce eGov Activity Proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown JoseMa ] ←

20:26:37 <josema> a couple pointer to CAF stuff:

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Unknown JoseMa: a couple pointers to CAF stuff: ←

20:26:38 <josema> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/t-and-s/2007Sep/0059

Unknown JoseMa: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/t-and-s/2007Sep/0059 ←

20:27:02 <josema> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-archive/2007Oct/0640

Unknown JoseMa: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-archive/2007Oct/0640 ←

20:31:06 <josema> s/pointer/pointers

20:32:04 <josema> Proceed with an IG, need to start an "umbrella" Activity, too, still to decide under which Domain

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Unknown JoseMa: Proceed with an IG, need to start an "umbrella" Activity, too, still to decide under which Domain ←

20:33:14 <josema> Josema: busy with potential CAF proposal, Spain eGov Conference and Holidays until end of year, so probably not ready to work on that until beg. 2008

Unknown JoseMa: busy with potential CAF proposal, Spain eGov Conference and Holidays until end of year, so probably not ready to work on that until beg. 2008 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown JoseMa ] ←

21:00:00 <steph> http://cordis.europa.eu/technology-platforms/individual_en.html

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Unknown Stephane: http://cordis.europa.eu/technology-platforms/individual_en.html ←

21:00:30 <steph> http://www.nessi-europe.com/Nessi/

Unknown Stephane: http://www.nessi-europe.com/Nessi/ ←

21:45:21 <josema> The World Bank related eProcuement portal

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Unknown JoseMa: The World Bank related eProcurement portal ←

21:45:22 <josema> -> http://www.dgmarket.com/

Unknown JoseMa: -> http://www.dgmarket.com/ ←

21:47:27 <josema> s/eProcuement/eProcurement

22:00:26 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-archive/2007Oct/att-0358/MoU_wb.doc

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Unknown Stephane: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-archive/2007Oct/att-0358/MoU_wb.doc ←

22:01:26 <josema> that was the second version of the MoU

Unknown JoseMa: that was the second version of the MoU ←

22:25:40 <josema> Steph: we need more coordination re: attending events

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Unknown Stephane: we need more coordination re: attending events [ Scribe Assist by Unknown JoseMa ] ←

22:26:07 <josema> eg: WCIT 2008 -> http://www.wcit2008.org/

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Unknown eg: WCIT 2008 -> http://www.wcit2008.org/ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown JoseMa ] ←

22:31:45 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes

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Unknown Stephane: rrsagent, make minutes ←

22:31:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-egov-minutes.html steph

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22:31:57 <steph> ACTION: steph to wrtie a web page for 2008 events

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22:32:00 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes

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22:32:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-egov-minutes.html steph

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22:34:47 <josema> RRSAgent, make minutes team

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22:34:47 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes team', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

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22:36:36 <josema> RRSAgent, make logs team-visible

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22:37:27 <josema> RRSAgent, bye

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22:37:27 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/05-egov-actions.rdf :

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22:37:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: steph to wrtie a web page for 2008 events [1]

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