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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 13 December 2005

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14:01:29 <tlr> zakim, code?

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Unknown tlr: zakim, code?

14:01:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), tlr

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), tlr

14:02:22 <rigo> rigo has changed the topic to: egov teleconf:conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200)

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Unknown rigo: rigo has changed the topic to: egov teleconf:conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200)

14:02:42 <rigo> nobody there yet

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Unknown rigo: nobody there yet

14:02:55 <tlr> but jose confirmed

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Unknown tlr: but jose confirmed

14:03:12 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?

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Unknown tlr: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:12 <Zakim> T&S_(EGOV)9:00AM has not yet started, tlr

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_(EGOV)9:00AM has not yet started, tlr

14:03:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, tlr

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, tlr

14:04:40 <Zakim> T&S_(EGOV)9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_(EGOV)9:00AM has now started

14:04:47 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:04:50 <Zakim> +Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: +Thomas

14:05:10 <tlr> rigo?

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Unknown tlr: rigo?

14:05:11 <rigo> zakim, call Rigo-617

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Unknown rigo: zakim, call Rigo-617

14:05:11 <Zakim> ok, rigo; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, rigo; the call is being made

14:05:13 <Zakim> +Rigo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rigo

14:06:27 <tlr> jose: conversation with garrigues on friday ...

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Unknown jose: conversation with garrigues on friday ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:06:31 <tlr> ... eGovernment ...

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Unknown tlr: ... eGovernment ...

14:06:36 <tlr> ... electronic evidence ...

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Unknown tlr: ... electronic evidence ...

14:06:51 <tlr> ... prove whether or not content in a web page was uploaded on a given ...

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Unknown tlr: ... prove whether or not content in a web page was uploaded on a given ...

14:06:52 <tlr> ... date ...

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Unknown tlr: ... date ...

14:07:13 <tlr> ... sometimes, lack of tools, lack of court-proof evidence / proof ...

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Unknown tlr: ... sometimes, lack of tools, lack of court-proof evidence / proof ...

14:07:37 <tlr> ... e-mail: authentication? ...

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Unknown tlr: ... e-mail: authentication? ...

14:07:44 <tlr> ... fighting with certification issues ...

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Unknown tlr: ... fighting with certification issues ...

14:07:47 <tlr> ... user company ...

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Unknown tlr: ... user company ...

14:07:54 <tlr> ... not creating technology, using it ...

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Unknown tlr: ... not creating technology, using it ...

14:08:07 <tlr> ... also, situations regarding egovernment ...

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Unknown tlr: ... also, situations regarding egovernment ...

14:08:30 <tlr> ... public contracts: prove that natl govt issued public contest ...

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Unknown tlr: ... public contracts: prove that natl govt issued public contest ...

14:08:40 <tlr> ... procurement ...

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Unknown tlr: ... procurement ...

14:08:45 <tlr> ... facing the same issues (?) ...

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Unknown tlr: ... facing the same issues (?) ...

14:09:02 <tlr> ... more on the govt side of egov, less on citizen side ...

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Unknown tlr: ... more on the govt side of egov, less on citizen side ...

14:09:10 <tlr> ... not so much services to citizens ...

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Unknown tlr: ... not so much services to citizens ...

14:09:23 <tlr> ... interoperability issues: interop, certificates, procurement, security ...

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Unknown tlr: ... interoperability issues: interop, certificates, procurement, security ...

14:09:44 <tlr> ... privacy: data collection from employee behavior ...

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Unknown tlr: ... privacy: data collection from employee behavior ...

14:09:55 <tlr> ... don't know much about the technology ...

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Unknown tlr: ... don't know much about the technology ...

14:10:13 <tlr> ... can technology help to solve these kinds of situations? ...

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Unknown tlr: ... can technology help to solve these kinds of situations? ...

14:10:13 <tlr> ... talked to lots of vendors ...

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Unknown tlr: ... talked to lots of vendors ...

14:10:15 <tlr> ... big intl ones ...

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Unknown tlr: ... big intl ones ...

14:12:30 <tlr> tlr: electronic evidence/forensics not really W3C ...

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Unknown tlr: electronic evidence/forensics not really W3C ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:12:35 <tlr> ... take Xades apart? ...

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Unknown tlr: ... take Xades apart? ...

14:12:41 <tlr> ... more general egov standards for interop? ...

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Unknown tlr: ... more general egov standards for interop? ...

14:12:45 <tlr> rigo: Two levels of discussion ...

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Unknown rigo: Two levels of discussion ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:12:50 <tlr> ... with egov scope ...

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Unknown tlr: ... with egov scope ...

14:13:08 <tlr> ... one scope would be "what can we do on the web to produce evidence" ...

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Unknown tlr: ... one scope would be "what can we do on the web to produce evidence" ...

14:13:20 <tlr> ... currently: people print out web pages and send them to court ...

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Unknown tlr: ... currently: people print out web pages and send them to court ...

14:13:26 <tlr> ... only evidence; people get convicted on that basis ...

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Unknown tlr: ... only evidence; people get convicted on that basis ...

14:13:36 <tlr> ... all of a sudden, it's not sufficient for administrative stuff any more ...

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Unknown tlr: ... all of a sudden, it's not sufficient for administrative stuff any more ...

14:13:45 <tlr> ... start discussing these things ...

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Unknown tlr: ... start discussing these things ...

14:13:52 <tlr> ... other scope is more technical; related ...

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Unknown tlr: ... other scope is more technical; related ...

14:13:56 <tlr> ... what kind of security is feasible ...

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Unknown tlr: ... what kind of security is feasible ...

14:14:01 <tlr> ... what kind of security is wanted ...

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Unknown tlr: ... what kind of security is wanted ...

14:14:09 <tlr> ... what kind of security is proscribed under narrow circumstances ...

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Unknown tlr: ... what kind of security is proscribed under narrow circumstances ...

14:14:16 <tlr> ... (think signatures -> then XaDES) ...

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Unknown tlr: ... (think signatures -> then XaDES) ...

14:14:20 <tlr> ... but that would be minor point ...

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Unknown tlr: ... but that would be minor point ...

14:14:38 <tlr> ... after workshop, can produce note and send that to TAG ...

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Unknown tlr: ... after workshop, can produce note and send that to TAG ...

14:16:35 <tlr> ...

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Unknown tlr: ...

14:16:39 <tlr> tlr: contacts? who does what?

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Unknown tlr: contacts? who does what? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:16:56 <tlr> jose: Garrigues has lots of contacts with Spanish govts ...

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Unknown jose: Garrigues has lots of contacts with Spanish govts ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:17:02 <tlr> ... also contaccts with members ...

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Unknown tlr: ... also contaccts with members ...

14:17:16 <tlr> ... but if we go the way of W3C workshop, will have people all over Europe ...

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Unknown tlr: ... but if we go the way of W3C workshop, will have people all over Europe ...

14:17:30 <tlr> ... something that could make a lot of people come is if we have very ...

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Unknown tlr: ... something that could make a lot of people come is if we have very ...

14:17:34 <tlr> ... relevant keynote speaker ...

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Unknown tlr: ... relevant keynote speaker ...

14:17:40 <tlr> ... they often use a minister for that ...

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Unknown tlr: ... they often use a minister for that ...

14:18:03 <tlr> ... talked to Oracle, Sun, Software AG in Spain ...

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Unknown tlr: ... talked to Oracle, Sun, Software AG in Spain ...

14:18:04 <rigo> http://europa.eu.int/idabc/

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Unknown rigo: http://europa.eu.int/idabc/

14:18:09 <rigo> invitation is a MUST

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Unknown rigo: invitation is a MUST

14:18:10 <tlr> ... they are very interested in this topic ...

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Unknown tlr: ... they are very interested in this topic ...

14:19:31 <tlr> rigo: Be vendor-neutral!

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Unknown rigo: Be vendor-neutral! [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:19:37 <tlr> ... not too tight to Garrigues ...

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Unknown tlr: ... not too tight to Garrigues ...

14:20:07 <tlr> ... if tied together too tightly, that would not be a favor to them, either ...

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Unknown tlr: ... if tied together too tightly, that would not be a favor to them, either ...

14:20:24 <tlr> ... from European perspective, do European workshop -- involve European offices ...

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Unknown tlr: ... from European perspective, do European workshop -- involve European offices ...

14:20:33 <tlr> ... contacts to governments, egov initiatives ...

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Unknown tlr: ... contacts to governments, egov initiatives ...

14:20:41 <tlr> ... suggest launching question on offices mailing list ...

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Unknown tlr: ... suggest launching question on offices mailing list ...

14:20:55 <tlr> jose: agree

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Unknown jose: agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:21:11 <tlr> ... full W3C workshop? ...

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Unknown tlr: ... full W3C workshop? ...

14:21:14 <tlr> ... or not? ...

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Unknown tlr: ... or not? ...

14:21:30 <tlr> rigo: position paper stuff only if you want to funnel into work

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Unknown rigo: position paper stuff only if you want to funnel into work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:21:34 <tlr> ... here, want to explore ...

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Unknown tlr: ... here, want to explore ...

14:21:39 <tlr> ... otoh, pos papers are never bad ...

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Unknown tlr: ... otoh, pos papers are never bad ...

14:21:45 <tlr> ... keeps disinterested people from showing up ...

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Unknown tlr: ... keeps disinterested people from showing up ...

14:21:52 <tlr> ... knocks out vendor presentations ...

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Unknown tlr: ... knocks out vendor presentations ...

14:22:16 <tlr> jose: note in the end of workshop good idea ...

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Unknown jose: note in the end of workshop good idea ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:24:11 <tlr> jose: Need support and help in building topics, scope ...

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Unknown jose: Need support and help in building topics, scope ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:24:34 <tlr> rigo: suggest two actions.

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Unknown rigo: suggest two actions. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

14:24:45 <tlr> ACTION: jose contact offices about idea of such a workshop -- scope "eGovernment and the Web"

ACTION: jose contact offices about idea of such a workshop -- scope "eGovernment and the Web"

14:28:16 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to send e-mail to t-and-s, dd about workshop idea

ACTION: thomas to send e-mail to t-and-s, dd about workshop idea

14:35:34 <Zakim> -Rigo

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14:35:37 <Zakim> -Thomas

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Thomas

14:35:46 <Zakim> -??P2

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14:35:47 <Zakim> T&S_(EGOV)9:00AM has ended

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14:35:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas, Rigo

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Thomas, Rigo

14:35:54 <tlr> zakim, draft minutes

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Unknown tlr: zakim, draft minutes

14:35:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', tlr

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'draft minutes', tlr

14:35:59 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes

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Unknown tlr: rrsagent, draft minutes

14:35:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/13-egov-minutes.html tlr

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