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15:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
15:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 12 June 2014
15:59:13 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: Vocabularies call. Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140612
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16:01:33 <HadleyBeeman> Sorry, ericstephan. Diailing in now
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16:03:43 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
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16:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman
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16:03:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot
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16:04:27 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
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16:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, ??P11
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16:04:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see markharrison, CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot
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16:04:35 <markharrison> Zakim, aacc is me
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16:05:09 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
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16:05:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, ??P11
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16:05:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, markharrison, CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot
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16:07:50 <HadleyBeeman> scribenick: ericstephan
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16:07:59 <BernadetteLoscio> my connection is not really good... im affraid of scribing :(
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16:07:59 <HadleyBeeman> chair: hadleybeeman
16:08:13 <ericstephan> scribe: Eric Stephan
16:08:44 <ericstephan> Hadley: Chair for the meetings, should be the editors.
Hadley Beeman: Chair for the meetings, should be the editors. ←
16:08:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
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16:08:50 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:08:55 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
16:09:00 <ericstephan> Hadley: What should be the purpose of the calls?
Hadley Beeman: What should be the purpose of the calls? ←
16:09:47 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Still not sure, what we want to see from the combined meetings...curious what we will end up with today
Bart van Leeuwen: Still not sure, what we want to see from the combined meetings...curious what we will end up with today ←
16:10:16 <ericstephan> Hadley: Phil and I thought it would be useful to discuss topics that we don't have time in the normal meetings
Hadley Beeman: Phil and I thought it would be useful to discuss topics that we don't have time in the normal meetings ←
16:10:19 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
16:10:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:10:32 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
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16:11:27 <laufer> hello hadley, all
Carlos Laufer: hello hadley, all ←
16:11:36 <BernadetteLoscio> hello Laufer!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello Laufer! ←
16:11:43 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I want to coordinate between the vocabularies
Eric Stephan: I want to coordinate between the vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
16:11:54 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Agree that we make sure we don't overlap with vocabularies in meeting
Bart van Leeuwen: Agree that we make sure we don't overlap with vocabularies in meeting ←
16:12:14 <ericstephan> BarvanLeeuwen: Do we want the issue tracker separate or in the general mailing list?
Bart van Leeuwen: Do we want the issue tracker separate or in the general mailing list? ←
16:12:20 <BernadetteLoscio> YES
Bernadette Farias Loscio: YES ←
16:12:21 <laufer> hi bernadette
Carlos Laufer: hi bernadette ←
16:12:22 <markharrison> yes
Mark Harrison: yes ←
16:12:25 <BernadetteLoscio> im sorry
Bernadette Farias Loscio: im sorry ←
16:12:26 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
16:12:54 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: How much do you need to have separate discussions? We have the separate mailing list.
Hadley Beeman: How much do you need to have separate discussions? We have the separate mailing list. ←
16:13:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack bart
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16:13:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
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16:13:15 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Does this still make sense?
Hadley Beeman: Does this still make sense? ←
16:13:21 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
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16:14:11 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Good point, understand the reason of the separate mailing list. Hoping that the general group will be keeping up to date on the evolving vocabularies.
Bart van Leeuwen: Good point, understand the reason of the separate mailing list. Hoping that the general group will be keeping up to date on the evolving vocabularies. ←
16:14:13 <HadleyBeeman> q+
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16:14:57 <HadleyBeeman> ack me
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16:15:00 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: What you are saying makes sense, are you proposing to get rid of this mailing list?
Hadley Beeman: What you are saying makes sense, are you proposing to get rid of this mailing list? ←
16:15:20 <BernadetteLoscio> +q
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16:15:43 <HadleyBeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
16:15:46 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: If anyone can raise an issue on the tracker, it makes sense to keep discussions on the general mailing list.
Bart van Leeuwen: If anyone can raise an issue on the tracker, it makes sense to keep discussions on the general mailing list. ←
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16:16:43 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Not sure how this will work. In the best practices working group how will it work if they are not seeing the discussion?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Not sure how this will work. In the best practices working group how will it work if they are not seeing the discussion? ←
16:17:31 <BernadetteLoscio> ok..
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok.. ←
16:18:08 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: How we could outreach: Our working group has a public mailing list for comments, if it is someone in the working group, they could raise an issue in the issue tracker or send an email to the group mailing list, or they could send an email to the vocab mailing list
Hadley Beeman: How we could outreach: Our working group has a public mailing list for comments, if it is someone in the working group, they could raise an issue in the issue tracker or send an email to the group mailing list, or they could send an email to the vocab mailing list ←
16:19:04 <BernadetteLoscio> yes... i understand
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes... i understand ←
16:19:11 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: My suggestion is that we put issues in the tracker based on an identified assignee that that will address the issue as opposed to the person who came up witht the issue.
Hadley Beeman: My suggestion is that we put issues in the tracker based on an identified assignee that that will address the issue as opposed to the person who came up witht the issue. ←
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16:19:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
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16:19:48 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
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16:20:30 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: If we raise an issue, we create an action of that, if we don't know who raised the issue, it might not be clear how it was initiated.
Bart van Leeuwen: If we raise an issue, we create an action of that, if we don't know who raised the issue, it might not be clear how it was initiated. ←
16:21:09 <markharrison> +q to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue
Mark Harrison: +q to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue ←
16:21:10 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Had this happen in another working group.
Bart van Leeuwen: Had this happen in another working group. ←
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16:21:54 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Trying to head off potential problem, but don't want to create more rules to make things more difficult.
Hadley Beeman: Trying to head off potential problem, but don't want to create more rules to make things more difficult. ←
16:22:28 <ericstephan> markharrison: Can we at least ask people to put their name against this or email address so we have a direction channel back to them.
Mark Harrison: Can we at least ask people to put their name against this or email address so we have a direction channel back to them. ←
16:23:08 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Are we changing away from traditional w3c procedures?
Bart van Leeuwen: Are we changing away from traditional w3c procedures? ←
16:23:50 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Not thinking of you as in charge of the document, but you the one responsible for addressing the problem.
Hadley Beeman: Not thinking of you as in charge of the document, but you the one responsible for addressing the problem. ←
16:24:01 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
16:24:09 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
16:24:09 <Zakim> markharrison, you wanted to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue and to
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16:24:36 <ericstephan> markharrison: no way of communicating with that person if they left the group.
Mark Harrison: no way of communicating with that person if they left the group. ←
16:24:58 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: At least this way you could have follow up.
Bart van Leeuwen: At least this way you could have follow up. ←
16:25:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> -1
Bart van Leeuwen: -1 ←
16:25:50 <ericstephan> +
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16:25:51 <ericstephan> +1
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16:26:13 <ericstephan> +q
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16:26:44 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: My argument for the vocabularies mailing list. We could use it for an administrative and coordination perspective.
Eric Stephan: My argument for the vocabularies mailing list. We could use it for an administrative and coordination perspective. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
16:27:18 <HadleyBeeman> … I'm hearing that we want to have as much visibility as possible while the vocabularies are evolving. So it might make sense to not inundate the mailing list with things about our meetings.
Hadley Beeman: … I'm hearing that we want to have as much visibility as possible while the vocabularies are evolving. So it might make sense to not inundate the mailing list with things about our meetings. ←
16:27:55 <HadleyBeeman> … An example: as we're sending out agendas — though others from the working group might want to attend the meeting if they are interested in it.
Hadley Beeman: … An example: as we're sending out agendas — though others from the working group might want to attend the meeting if they are interested in it. ←
16:28:27 <HadleyBeeman> … Others: consistency in the documents as we're evolving the vocabularies. It wouldn't be a heavily used list.
Hadley Beeman: … Others: consistency in the documents as we're evolving the vocabularies. It wouldn't be a heavily used list. ←
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16:29:24 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Agree with ericstephan in terms of coordination, maybe we should wait a bit more and see if this makes sense. Maybe it is too early to decide.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Agree with ericstephan in terms of coordination, maybe we should wait a bit more and see if this makes sense. Maybe it is too early to decide. ←
16:30:04 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: The problem with deciding later is that it might get a bit messy
Hadley Beeman: The problem with deciding later is that it might get a bit messy ←
16:30:45 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Do we keep the tracker on the general mailing list? Haven't heard anyone talking about separating this.
Bart van Leeuwen: Do we keep the tracker on the general mailing list? Haven't heard anyone talking about separating this. ←
16:32:19 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list
PROPOSED: Keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list ←
16:32:27 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
16:32:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
16:32:28 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
16:32:31 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:32:38 <markharrison> +1
Mark Harrison: +1 ←
16:32:40 <Eric_Kauz> +1
16:32:59 <laufer> q+
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16:33:48 <CarlosIglesias> abstention
Carlos Iglesias: abstention ←
16:34:31 <ericstephan> laufer: I have my doubts if people not interested in the vocabulary will want to see this.
Carlos Laufer: I have my doubts if people not interested in the vocabulary will want to see this. ←
16:34:51 <laufer> 0
Carlos Laufer: 0 ←
16:36:30 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:36:43 <ericstephan> RESOLVED: We will keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list
RESOLVED: We will keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list ←
16:36:56 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
16:36:59 <HadleyBeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
16:37:13 <ericstephan> woohoo
woohoo ←
16:38:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:38:06 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
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16:38:17 <ericstephan> laufer: There may be some checkpoints where people will be interested in keeping up to date on the vocabularies.
Carlos Laufer: There may be some checkpoints where people will be interested in keeping up to date on the vocabularies. ←
16:39:19 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Keep it as simple as possible for the people actually doing the work.
Bart van Leeuwen: Keep it as simple as possible for the people actually doing the work. ←
16:39:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:40:04 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
16:40:09 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: For W3C purposes and the rest of the community we need to have agendas. Do you want them to be project management focused or focused in another way?
Hadley Beeman: For W3C purposes and the rest of the community we need to have agendas. Do you want them to be project management focused or focused in another way? ←
16:40:45 <ericstephan> BarvanLeeuwen: For the general call we can talk about things in greater detail and give a summary in the working group meeting.
Bart van Leeuwen: For the general call we can talk about things in greater detail and give a summary in the working group meeting. ←
16:40:48 <markharrison> +1 to technical discussions rather than procedural / project management
Mark Harrison: +1 to technical discussions rather than procedural / project management ←
16:41:01 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
16:41:30 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: How will you decide the topics?
Hadley Beeman: How will you decide the topics? ←
16:41:41 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: question to editors
Hadley Beeman: question to editors ←
16:41:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:41:49 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
16:42:24 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Maybe go so far as to go into depth about something. Maybe bring in guests to the call.
Bart van Leeuwen: Maybe go so far as to go into depth about something. Maybe bring in guests to the call. ←
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16:43:21 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Need more technical discussions in the vocab call. Eric and I have a standing meeting on the Data Usage vocabulary as well.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Need more technical discussions in the vocab call. Eric and I have a standing meeting on the Data Usage vocabulary as well. ←
16:44:05 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I do agree about keeping the meetings technical. There is a stewardship that Bernadette has mentioned that we need to consider. We have to provide a cohesive picture for best practices.
Eric Stephan: I do agree about keeping the meetings technical. There is a stewardship that Bernadette has mentioned that we need to consider. We have to provide a cohesive picture for best practices. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
16:44:21 <HadleyBeeman> … The vocubularies have to be cohesive together, and be consumable.
Hadley Beeman: … The vocubularies have to be cohesive together, and be consumable. ←
16:45:00 <HadleyBeeman> … One example: looking at the use case document in the context of each vocabulary. Make sure the use cases could represent the vocabularies, work out what's missing.
Hadley Beeman: … One example: looking at the use case document in the context of each vocabulary. Make sure the use cases could represent the vocabularies, work out what's missing. ←
16:45:36 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Mechanics of meetings, do we pick someone?
Hadley Beeman: Mechanics of meetings, do we pick someone? ←
16:45:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:45:53 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
16:45:55 <HadleyBeeman> ack bert
Hadley Beeman: ack bert ←
16:45:56 <ericstephan> +q
+q ←
16:46:01 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
16:46:32 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
16:46:36 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Exchange among the editors and prepare an agenda as a propsal
Bart van Leeuwen: Exchange among the editors and prepare an agenda as a propsal ←
16:47:04 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I agree that a rotating assignment is good. I like having a clause where if one vocab has a hot topic, they we can focus on it.
Eric Stephan: I agree that a rotating assignment is good. I like having a clause where if one vocab has a hot topic, they we can focus on it. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
16:47:15 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:49:18 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Come up with agenda, put it out 24 hours in advance and facilitate meeting
Hadley Beeman: Come up with agenda, put it out 24 hours in advance and facilitate meeting ←
16:49:28 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan will chair next meeting
Hadley Beeman: ericstephan will chair next meeting ←
16:50:18 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio ←
16:50:18 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio ←
16:50:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
Bart van Leeuwen: +q ←
16:50:46 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Recommends Use Cases discussion so that we can have something we can work on in the next two weeks.
Hadley Beeman: Recommends Use Cases discussion so that we can have something we can work on in the next two weeks. ←
16:50:54 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
16:50:58 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
16:51:31 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:51:33 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
16:51:40 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: Recommendation from the W3C to discuss the various procedures. There are quite a few differences between the two approaches.
Bart van Leeuwen: Recommendation from the W3C to discuss the various procedures. There are quite a few differences between the two approaches. ←
16:52:27 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: In other working groups there is quite a bit of difference between each approach.
Bart van Leeuwen: In other working groups there is quite a bit of difference between each approach. ←
16:52:38 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
16:52:41 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:53:36 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Use cases document: BernadetteLoscio can you start the discussion?
Hadley Beeman: Use cases document: BernadetteLoscio can you start the discussion? ←
16:53:59 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: From the use case document we don't have a lot of requirements for the vocabularies.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: From the use case document we don't have a lot of requirements for the vocabularies. ←
16:54:26 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: We need to go into more detail to extract more requirements from the use cases we already have.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We need to go into more detail to extract more requirements from the use cases we already have. ←
16:54:31 <ericstephan> +q
+q ←
16:54:51 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines ←
16:54:54 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Tried mapping general requirements to best practices
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Tried mapping general requirements to best practices ←
16:55:40 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
16:55:44 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: From the best practices we are going to have requirements for vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: From the best practices we are going to have requirements for vocabularies ←
16:55:48 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
16:56:20 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: From the use cases we are going to talk about quality and usage or are we going to just talk about data.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: From the use cases we are going to talk about quality and usage or are we going to just talk about data. ←
16:56:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
16:56:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:58:10 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: I think for next steps, we have 9 general best practices (in the wiki document) what are the general best practices. What kind of data usage and data vocabulary should be available?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think for next steps, we have 9 general best practices (in the wiki document) what are the general best practices. What kind of data usage and data vocabulary should be available? ←
16:58:34 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: I think we need to discuss more about what we need to provide
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we need to discuss more about what we need to provide ←
16:59:25 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Examples_in_CSVW_Use_Cases
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Examples_in_CSVW_Use_Cases ←
16:59:30 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I like Bernadette's best practice's guidelines. I looked at the requirements and the overlap; I was drawn into the best practices from a data usage perspective. Could see the applications for data quality and granularity as well.
Eric Stephan: I like Bernadette's best practice's guidelines. I looked at the requirements and the overlap; I was drawn into the best practices from a data usage perspective. Could see the applications for data quality and granularity as well. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
17:00:23 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:00:23 <HadleyBeeman> … This [link above] is the CSV on the Web use cases, a rough list. It's more implementation oriented, and shows different categories with examples of usage. We could do this with quality and granularity. We could draw from this.
Hadley Beeman: … This [link above] is the CSV on the Web use cases, a rough list. It's more implementation oriented, and shows different categories with examples of usage. We could do this with quality and granularity. We could draw from this. ←
17:00:36 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
17:00:40 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
17:01:22 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: The complete group should do this to lift the weight off of our shoulders, can we propose this to be discussed in the call?
Bart van Leeuwen: The complete group should do this to lift the weight off of our shoulders, can we propose this to be discussed in the call? ←
17:02:20 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen: BernadetteLoscio had the right approach mapping the best practices to vocabularies.
Bart van Leeuwen: BernadetteLoscio had the right approach mapping the best practices to vocabularies. ←
17:03:09 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: It would be good to discuss this with the rest of the group.
Hadley Beeman: It would be good to discuss this with the rest of the group. ←
17:03:19 <ericstephan> We could sing to you
We could sing to you ←
17:03:32 <laufer> bye... good football world cup for all
Carlos Laufer: bye... good football world cup for all ←
17:03:40 <BernadetteLoscio> yes :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes :) ←
17:03:50 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
17:03:50 <BernadetteLoscio> bye
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye ←
17:03:52 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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17:03:54 <ericstephan> bye bye
bye bye ←
17:03:54 <Zakim> -Eric_Kauz
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17:03:55 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
Carlos Iglesias: bye! ←
17:04:00 <HadleyBeeman> rrsagent, make logs public
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, make logs public ←
17:04:01 <Zakim> -laufer
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17:04:03 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
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17:04:04 <Zakim> -ericstephan
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17:04:19 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
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17:04:31 <ericstephan> Do I need to do anything further?
Do I need to do anything further? ←
17:04:44 <HadleyBeeman> I don't think so, ericstephan.
Hadley Beeman: I don't think so, ericstephan. ←
17:05:05 <HadleyBeeman> Thank you enormously for scribing!
Hadley Beeman: Thank you enormously for scribing! ←
17:05:17 <ericstephan> Alright, Happy early birthday thanks for chairing!
Alright, Happy early birthday thanks for chairing! ←
17:05:22 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks :)
Hadley Beeman: Thanks :) ←
17:05:33 <ericstephan> bye
bye ←
17:07:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, bye
Hadley Beeman: zakim, bye ←
17:07:34 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, markharrison, Eric_Kauz,
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, markharrison, Eric_Kauz, ←
17:07:37 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias, BernadetteLoscio, laufer
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17:07:39 <HadleyBeeman> trackbot, bye
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17:07:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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