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Digital Publishing Interest Group

Minutes of 04 December 2015

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Charles LaPierre, Tzviya Siegman
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18:05:20 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman

Tzviya Siegman: present+ Tzviya_Siegman

18:05:31 <tzviya> present+ Deborah_Kaplan

Tzviya Siegman: present+ Deborah_Kaplan

18:05:40 <tzviya> present+ George_Kerscher

Tzviya Siegman: present+ George_Kerscher

18:05:58 <tzviya> present+ Charles_Lapierre

Tzviya Siegman: present+ Charles_Lapierre

18:07:38 <tzviya> zakim, this is DPUB a11y

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, this is DPUB a11y

18:07:38 <Zakim> got it, tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: got it, tzviya

18:07:46 <clapierre> scribe clapierre

Charles LaPierre: scribe clapierre

18:07:58 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility/

Tzviya Siegman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility/

18:08:28 <clapierre> deborah, a bunch of changes made, from Nov 6

Charles LaPierre: deborah, a bunch of changes made, from Nov 6

18:09:07 <clapierre> …, I did some word smithing of introduction, please everyone read this section over.

Charles LaPierre: …, I did some word smithing of introduction, please everyone read this section over.

18:09:31 <clapierre> …, we decided page # - mia will do some work.

Charles LaPierre: …, we decided page # - mia will do some work.

18:10:02 <clapierre> …, tzviya she should talk to Dave C. and coordinate with CSS

Charles LaPierre: …, tzviya she should talk to Dave C. and coordinate with CSS

18:12:12 <clapierre> …, next is drop caps which I was to take on.  What do we think needs to happen.. no action we just want others to be aware.  Otherwise we should do xyz.  so I rephrased this section. the css is supported. (I used the website "canIUse" didn't test with a screen reader.

Charles LaPierre: …, next is drop caps which I was to take on. What do we think needs to happen.. no action we just want others to be aware. Otherwise we should do xyz. so I rephrased this section. the css is supported. (I used the website "canIUse" didn't test with a screen reader.

18:12:34 <clapierre> …, notes was next which I haven't wordsmithed but looks complete to look at ARIA

Charles LaPierre: …, notes was next which I haven't wordsmithed but looks complete to look at ARIA

18:13:03 <clapierre> …, positional location of text.. Mia to work on.  More work is needed and all use cases may not be handled by css.

Charles LaPierre: …, positional location of text.. Mia to work on. More work is needed and all use cases may not be handled by css.

18:13:33 <clapierre> …, phonetic spelling is messy: what do we really want to see.  I don't think we assinged that to anyone.

Charles LaPierre: …, phonetic spelling is messy: what do we really want to see. I don't think we assinged that to anyone.

18:13:47 <clapierre> Tzviya: I think we were alright with the wording..so no work needed.

Tzviya Siegman: I think we were alright with the wording..so no work needed. [ Scribe Assist by Charles LaPierre ]

18:14:07 <clapierre> Deborah, deeply nested heading levels.  I think we were ok with what it said.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, deeply nested heading levels. I think we were ok with what it said.

18:14:10 <clapierre> Tzviya: yes

Tzviya Siegman: yes [ Scribe Assist by Charles LaPierre ]

18:16:33 <clapierre> Deborah, list-heads I rephrased.  Either we need to say aria-labeledby to be exposed to others than AT or we need something that aria-labelby does but is not ARIA… There is a problem we don't have this feature.  I have turned on VO in order to skip past a long table.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, list-heads I rephrased. Either we need to say aria-labeledby to be exposed to others than AT or we need something that aria-labelby does but is not ARIA… There is a problem we don't have this feature. I have turned on VO in order to skip past a long table.

18:17:52 <clapierre> Tzviya, labelled by over rides the symantics

Charles LaPierre: Tzviya, labelled by over rides the symantics

18:18:14 <clapierre> …, hard to change HTML now.

Charles LaPierre: …, hard to change HTML now.

18:18:43 <clapierre> George, should we be saying what not to do?  ie. don't mark this as a structural heading.

Charles LaPierre: George, should we be saying what not to do? ie. don't mark this as a structural heading.

18:18:52 <clapierre> Tzviya, no sometimes you need it.

Charles LaPierre: Tzviya, no sometimes you need it.

18:19:16 <clapierre> Deborah, semantically list heads we are so close but we don't have it.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, semantically list heads we are so close but we don't have it.

18:19:44 <clapierre> …, skipability, SR have it, but needed for sighted users, we think looks good.

Charles LaPierre: …, skipability, SR have it, but needed for sighted users, we think looks good.

18:20:06 <clapierre> …, escapability, could be merged but that looks ok..keep separate

Charles LaPierre: …, escapability, could be merged but that looks ok..keep separate

18:20:36 <clapierre> …, essesments moved to appendix.

Charles LaPierre: …, essesments moved to appendix.

18:20:46 <clapierre> …, charles to look into with Mark H.

Charles LaPierre: …, charles to look into with Mark H.

18:22:44 <clapierre> charles,  Mark is busy now but will have some time to soon to look at this and work on it with Charles.

Charles LaPierre: charles, Mark is busy now but will have some time to soon to look at this and work on it with Charles.

18:23:32 <clapierre> Tzviya, diagrammar looks pretty good and George/charles can complete so no need to wait on Mark.

Charles LaPierre: Tzviya, diagrammar looks pretty good and George/charles can complete so no need to wait on Mark.

18:24:02 <clapierre> George, This note is very important in relation to the 508 refresh.

Charles LaPierre: George, This note is very important in relation to the 508 refresh.

18:24:19 <clapierre> Deborah, what is the current status is?  I heard it was delayed again.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, what is the current status is? I heard it was delayed again.

18:24:59 <clapierre> George, I have been asked to come to a meeting in Jan. and I am under NDA, but low vision issues are a concern.

Charles LaPierre: George, I have been asked to come to a meeting in Jan. and I am under NDA, but low vision issues are a concern.

18:25:50 <clapierre> Deborah, I am a Dragon Speaks AT , not anything with LowVision.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, I am a Dragon Speaks AT , not anything with LowVision.

18:26:29 <clapierre> …, Charles will touch base with Mark on the assessments which will be on an appendix

Charles LaPierre: …, Charles will touch base with Mark on the assessments which will be on an appendix

18:26:52 <clapierre> …, I moved Diagrammar to the appendix.

Charles LaPierre: …, I moved Diagrammar to the appendix.

18:27:13 <clapierre> George, do I need to add any words to it?

Charles LaPierre: George, do I need to add any words to it?

18:27:23 <clapierre> Deborah, Charles did this already but you can see.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, Charles did this already but you can see.

18:27:59 <clapierre> George, if diagrammer is only used for images then others will say why don't use longdesc.. so we need to make it clear it doesn't apply just to images

Charles LaPierre: George, if diagrammer is only used for images then others will say why don't use longdesc.. so we need to make it clear it doesn't apply just to images

18:28:35 <clapierre> Deborah, what we want to W3C to know about Diagrammer

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, what we want to W3C to know about Diagrammer

18:28:45 <clapierre> George, you can put me down to take that on.

Charles LaPierre: George, you can put me down to take that on.

18:29:27 <clapierre> Deborah, layouts on comprehension… Just needs word smithing.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, layouts on comprehension… Just needs word smithing.

18:30:57 <clapierre> Tzviya, outreach work (not sure what about)

Charles LaPierre: … Tzviya WAI Ed & Outreachwork (not sure what about)

18:31:23 <clapierre> Mia, looking at page #s layout text

Charles LaPierre: …, Mialooking at page #s layout text

18:32:51 <clapierre> Deborah, we only have 2 more meetings this year.

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, we only have 2 more meetings this year.

18:33:57 <clapierre> George, 21 dec there is a Steering call, then there is the 508 Refresh which we should have this note complete.

Charles LaPierre: George, 21 dec there is a Steering call, then there is the 508 Refresh which we should have this note complete.

18:36:01 <clapierre> Deborah, we could get Ivan to look at this and ignore the sections in progress so we could try to get this in a semi stable state by the time George goes to the 508 refresh meeting in Jan…

Charles LaPierre: Deborah, we could get Ivan to look at this and ignore the sections in progress so we could try to get this in a semi stable state by the time George goes to the 508 refresh meeting in Jan…

18:36:34 <clapierre> … but Ivan may not want us to tell anyone about this.

Charles LaPierre: … but Ivan may not want us to tell anyone about this.

18:36:48 <clapierre> … We need to defer to Ivan.

Charles LaPierre: … We need to defer to Ivan.

18:38:32 <clapierre> George, we are preparing to get it out as a draft but feeling optimistic.

Charles LaPierre: George, we are preparing to get it out as a draft but feeling optimistic.

18:41:55 <clapierre> s/Mia, /…, Mia
18:42:41 <clapierre> s/Tzviya, outreach /… Tzviya WAI Ed & Outreach
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