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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 October 2015

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http://www.w3.org/mid/ff032a2089a747a1b356c5a803f58360@CAR-WNMBP-006.wiley.com
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Ayla Stein, Ben De Meester, Bill Kasdorf, Brady Duga, Dave Cramer, Deborah Kaplan, Ivan Herman, Karen Myers, Luc Audrain, Markus Gylling, Tzviya Siegman, Vladimir Levantovsky
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Unknown Peter, Unknown Nick, Tzviya Siegman, Ayla Stein, Luc Audrain
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Markus Gylling
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Dave Cramer, Karen Myers
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14:30:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:30:14 <trackbot> Date: 05 October 2015
14:30:23 <ivan> chair: Markus
14:30:34 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/ff032a2089a747a1b356c5a803f58360@CAR-WNMBP-006.wiley.com
14:31:07 <ivan> Regrets: Peter, Nick, Tzviya, Ayla, Luc

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14:58:23 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer

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Dave Cramer: Present+ Dave_Cramer

14:58:52 <ivan> Present+ Ivan_Herman

Ivan Herman: Present+ Ivan_Herman

15:01:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf

Bill Kasdorf: Present+ Bill_Kasdorf

15:01:31 <dkaplan3> Present+ Deborah_Kaplan

Deborah Kaplan: Present+ Deborah_Kaplan

15:01:33 <mgylling> Present+ Markus_Gylling

Markus Gylling: Present+ Markus_Gylling

15:01:38 <brady_duga> present+ duga

Brady Duga: present+ duga

15:03:09 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

15:03:28 <mgylling>  http://www.w3.org/2015/09/28-dpub-minutes.html

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/2015/09/28-dpub-minutes.html

15:03:31 <dauwhe> mgylling: approval of last week's minutes

Markus Gylling: approval of last week's minutes

15:03:38 <dauwhe> ... any objections?

... any objections?

15:03:45 <dauwhe> [silence]

[silence]

15:03:50 <dauwhe> ... minutes are approved

... minutes are approved

15:03:56 <mgylling>  http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/

Markus Gylling: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/

15:03:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: topic: PWP Draft Note

Markus Gylling: topic: PWP Draft Note

15:04:18 <dauwhe> ... our intent is to publish as FPWD as soon as possible

... our intent is to publish as FPWD as soon as possible

15:04:37 <dauwhe> ... there are few outstanding issues to solve with comments from Leonard and Bill

... there are few outstanding issues to solve with comments from Leonard and Bill

15:04:51 <dauwhe> ... we felt generally that we're good enough for FPWD

... we felt generally that we're good enough for FPWD

15:05:06 <dauwhe> ivan: there was some discussion about relationship to epub

Ivan Herman: there was some discussion about relationship to epub

15:05:15 <dauwhe> ... and how we position vis a vis epub

... and how we position vis a vis epub

15:05:22 <dauwhe> q+

q+

15:05:29 <dauwhe> ivan: two big changes:

Ivan Herman: two big changes:

15:05:32 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester

Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester

15:05:44 <dauwhe> ... first, that it is "publications" rather than "documents"

... first, that it is "publications" rather than "documents"

15:06:04 <dauwhe> ... second, is that we seemed to get consensus on the states of web publications

... second, is that we seemed to get consensus on the states of web publications

15:06:14 <dauwhe> ... so there are two sections for terminology

... so there are two sections for terminology

15:06:16 <ivan> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/incorporate-states-in-text/index.html

Ivan Herman: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/incorporate-states-in-text/index.html

15:06:20 <dauwhe> ... I have an unmerged version

... I have an unmerged version

15:06:26 <dauwhe> ... where I adopted this terminology

... where I adopted this terminology

15:06:39 <dauwhe> ... if we agree I can merge

... if we agree I can merge

15:06:47 <dauwhe> ... the third issue is the relationship to epub

... the third issue is the relationship to epub

15:06:59 <dauwhe> ... a general agreement with Leonard and Bill

... a general agreement with Leonard and Bill

15:07:06 <dauwhe> ... I removed references to epub from main text

... I removed references to epub from main text

15:07:24 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/#epub-relations

Ivan Herman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/#epub-relations

15:07:39 <dauwhe> ... instead a separate section (appendix) at end of document where there is explicit reference

... instead a separate section (appendix) at end of document where there is explicit reference

15:07:47 <dauwhe> ... I think this is way better and cleaner

... I think this is way better and cleaner

15:07:58 <dauwhe> ... this text is took from previous text and some from Bill

... this text is taken from previous text and some from Bill

15:08:09 <dauwhe> s/took/taken/
15:08:17 <dauwhe> ... I think these are the main changes

... I think these are the main changes

15:08:32 <dauwhe> ... at this moment I don't have any pending issues

... at this moment I don't have any pending issues

15:08:56 <dauwhe> ... unless there are major disagreements with content, I think it's way beyond the level of usual FPWD

... unless there are major disagreements with content, I think it's way beyond the level of usual FPWD

15:08:56 <mgylling> ack dau

Markus Gylling: ack dau

15:09:07 <Vlad> present+

Vladimir Levantovsky: present+

15:09:16 <Karen> Dave: I have been getting some pushback on the relationship with EPUB in this document

Dave Cramer: I have been getting some pushback on the relationship with EPUB in this document [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:09:19 <Karen> scribenick: Karen

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:09:40 <Karen> Dave: first one, does text in an appendix have the same force in a W3C doc as it would elsewhere?

Dave Cramer: first one, does text in an appendix have the same force in a W3C doc as it would elsewhere?

15:09:44 <Karen> Ivan: Two answers

Ivan Herman: Two answers

15:09:47 <Karen> present+ Karen

present+ Karen

15:09:59 <Karen> Ivan: Question whether it should be a section or an appendix

Ivan Herman: Question whether it should be a section or an appendix

15:10:06 <Karen> …I have no preference

…I have no preference

15:10:10 <Karen> …This is an IG note

…This is an IG note

15:10:20 <Karen> …not same standing as a WG

…not same standing as a WG

15:10:30 <Karen> …we always make a distinction if normative or not normative

…we always make a distinction if normative or not normative

15:10:35 <Karen> …An appendix can be normative

…An appendix can be normative

15:10:43 <Karen> …it is not part of the main story so to say

…it is not part of the main story so to say

15:10:46 <Karen> …Take an example

…Take an example

15:10:54 <Karen> …If we have a vocabulary that we define in a document

…If we have a vocabulary that we define in a document

15:11:03 <Karen> …it may include the precise OWL specification, so it is normative

…it may include the precise OWL specification, so it is normative

15:11:10 <Karen> …I am ok if we say it should be a section

…I am ok if we say it should be a section

15:11:14 <Karen> Dave: That was not a big hting

Dave Cramer: That was not a big thing

15:11:20 <Karen> s/hting/thing
15:11:25 <Karen> Dave: The last paragraph

Dave Cramer: The last paragraph

15:11:30 <Karen> …[quotes]

…[quotes]

15:11:46 <Karen> …I wonder if we don't necessarily have to mention EPUB around this

…I wonder if we don't necessarily have to mention EPUB around this

15:11:53 <Karen> …but wonder if we make this more obvious in the document

…but wonder if we make this more obvious in the document

15:12:06 <Karen> …I feel that some of the back and forth on this has perhaps obscured that point

…I feel that some of the back and forth on this has perhaps obscured that point

15:12:14 <Karen> Markus: hmmm

Markus Gylling: hmmm

15:12:25 <Karen> Dave: Especially if it's being read by people who are not part of the current discussion

Dave Cramer: Especially if it's being read by people who are not part of the current discussion

15:12:34 <Karen> …We first mention HTML in section 3.2 or something

…We first mention HTML in section 3.2 or something

15:12:38 <Karen> Ivan: So the real question is

Ivan Herman: So the real question is

15:12:43 <Karen> …which section should that be?

…which section should that be?

15:12:58 <Karen> …I am not against what you say; purely editorial POV trying to see where this section would go in the story

…I am not against what you say; purely editorial POV trying to see where this section would go in the story

15:13:11 <Karen> Dave: I don't think I have anything in mind right now; would take some time to think of it

Dave Cramer: I don't think I have anything in mind right now; would take some time to think of it

15:13:18 <Karen> …I think it's a key part of our message

…I think it's a key part of our message

15:13:27 <Karen> …We are not talking about throwing away the key OWP stack

…We are not talking about throwing away the key OWP stack

15:13:53 <Karen> …Some people in the discussion perhaps have tried to frame the discussion to other document formats not within the W3C's purview

…Some people in the discussion perhaps have tried to frame the discussion to other document formats not within the W3C's purview

15:13:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:13:58 <Karen> Ivan: What about the following

Ivan Herman: What about the following

15:14:13 <Karen> …First, I think that the paragraph as it stands now can stay

…First, I think that the paragraph as it stands now can stay

15:14:18 <Karen> …repeating is not a problem

…repeating is not a problem

15:14:20 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:14:35 <Karen> …What about at end of 4.1 where we define web resource and what portable web document is

…What about at end of 4.1 where we define web resource and what portable web document is

15:14:53 <Karen> …add a note, as a consequence of talking about web resources, that consist of HTML blah blah

…add a note, as a consequence of talking about web resources, that consist of HTML blah blah

15:14:57 <Karen> Dave: yes, that would be helpful

Dave Cramer: yes, that would be helpful

15:15:02 <Karen> Ivan: I will do this today or tomorrow morning

Ivan Herman: I will do this today or tomorrow morning

15:15:12 <Karen> …Ok to make those changes and send a pointer tomorrow

…Ok to make those changes and send a pointer tomorrow

15:15:16 <Karen> …and then you give a green light?

…and then you give a green light?

15:15:25 <Karen> Dave: yes, that is fine; I don't want to slow down the machinery

Dave Cramer: yes, that is fine; I don't want to slow down the machinery

15:15:30 <Karen> Ivan: that is a fair comment

Ivan Herman: that is a fair comment

15:15:43 <Karen> Markus: Seems to be the potential scope on clarity that you raise, Dave, about what we mean by content

Markus Gylling: Seems to be the potential scope on clarity that you raise, Dave, about what we mean by content

15:15:59 <Karen> …is something that would be a really good discussion to have during FBWD

…is something that would be a really good discussion to have during FPWD

15:16:15 <Karen> …if Ivan's latest edits suffice, that's good, if not, we can still make more changes

…if Ivan's latest edits suffice, that's good, if not, we can still make more changes

15:16:21 <Karen> s/FBWD/FPWD
15:16:38 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:16:39 <Karen> Dave: Some people are concerned about what message is sent even at the first public working draft stage

Dave Cramer: Some people are concerned about what message is sent even at the first public working draft stage

15:16:41 <Karen> ack Bill

ack Bill

15:16:43 <mgylling> ack Bill_K

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K

15:16:49 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

15:16:52 <Karen> Bill: I have two quick points

Bill Kasdorf: I have two quick points [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:17:01 <Karen> q+

Karen Myers: q+

15:17:04 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the fundamental issue isn't throwing away OWP spec

Bill Kasdorf: the fundamental issue isn't throwing away OWP spec

15:17:13 <dauwhe> ... but accomodating things outside OWP spec

... but accomodating things outside OWP spec

15:17:21 <dauwhe> ... in the 4.1 definition of web resource

... in the 4.1 definition of web resource

15:17:36 <dauwhe> ... it says who's content can be accessed through network protocols

... it says who's content can be accessed through network protocols

15:17:44 <dauwhe> ... for example, word docs

... for example, word docs

15:17:55 <dauwhe> ... which can be accessed but not rendered

... which can be accessed but not rendered

15:18:18 <dauwhe> ivan: the statement is clear paragraph that should be put after series of definitions

Ivan Herman: the statement is clear paragraph that should be put after series of definitions

15:18:27 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: we want to avoid possible misinterpretation

Bill Kasdorf: we want to avoid possible misinterpretation

15:18:29 <dauwhe> mgylling: right

Markus Gylling: right

15:18:43 <dauwhe> ivan: or maybe even an additional bullet point under web publication definition

Ivan Herman: or maybe even an additional bullet point under web publication definition

15:18:56 <dauwhe> ... the resources are primarily

... the resources are primarily

15:19:06 <dauwhe> .. for example, a PWP may include a CVS file

.. for example, a PWP may include a CVS file

15:19:16 <dauwhe> ... I don't want to make a strong black and white thing

... I don't want to make a strong black and white thing

15:19:31 <mgylling> ack Karen

Markus Gylling: ack Karen

15:19:34 <dauwhe> ... the resources are "primarily" OWP resources like HTML that makes it clearer

... the resources are "primarily" OWP resources like HTML that makes it clearer

15:19:40 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: that wouldd be good

Bill Kasdorf: that wouldd be good

15:19:53 <dauwhe> Karen: what's the desired timeline for publishing the doc and letting people know

Karen Myers: what's the desired timeline for publishing the doc and letting people know

15:19:58 <dauwhe> ... and building a nice story around that

... and building a nice story around that

15:20:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: it seems to me that we want to make a final round this week based on feedback today

Markus Gylling: it seems to me that we want to make a final round this week based on feedback today

15:20:27 <dauwhe> ... I don't see decision on this call, but perhaps next week

... I don't see decision on this call, but perhaps next week

15:20:32 <dauwhe> q+

q+

15:20:45 <dauwhe> ivan: the practical problem is timing

Ivan Herman: the practical problem is timing

15:20:50 <dauwhe> ... next tuesday I will be out

... next tuesday I will be out

15:20:58 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:21:03 <dauwhe> ... if I finish everything the 15th can be pub date

... if I finish everything the 15th can be pub date

15:21:12 <dauwhe> ... then we get into moratorium

... then we get into moratorium

15:21:19 <dauwhe> ... we could still publish on 20th

... we could still publish on 20th

15:21:25 <dauwhe> ... then I'm unavailable for a while

... then I'm unavailable for a while

15:21:39 <dauwhe> ... next week monday we must make decision if we want this published before TPAC

... next week monday we must make decision if we want this published before TPAC

15:21:55 <dauwhe> mgylling: that's columbus day

Markus Gylling: that's columbus day

15:22:10 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:22:28 <dauwhe> ivan: we can make a decision today, we agree to publish providing these changes are made, and there are no objections

Ivan Herman: we can make a decision today, we agree to publish providing these changes are made, and there are no objections

15:22:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to the strategy Ivan just suggested

Bill Kasdorf: +1 to the strategy Ivan just suggested

15:22:35 <dauwhe> ... then we can start the process

... then we can start the process

15:22:39 <mgylling> ack dau

Markus Gylling: ack dau

15:22:42 <Vlad> Columbus dya isn't a widely recognized holiday, most companies have a regular business day

Vladimir Levantovsky: Columbus day isn't a widely recognized holiday, most companies have a regular business day

15:22:54 <Vlad> s/dya/day/
15:23:31 <dauwhe> dauwhe: EPUB31 is meeting this week

Dave Cramer: EPUB31 is meeting this week

15:23:53 <dauwhe> mgylling: that wasn't a counterargument?

Markus Gylling: that wasn't a counterargument?

15:24:20 <dauwhe> ivan: it just means possible objections should be entertained until next Monday

Ivan Herman: it just means possible objections should be entertained until next Monday

15:24:40 <dauwhe> ivan: before we do that, the group must agree on the short name, the stable URI for the doc

Ivan Herman: before we do that, the group must agree on the short name, the stable URI for the doc

15:24:48 <dauwhe> ... at the moment it's PWP

... at the moment it's PWP

15:25:06 <dauwhe> ... we don't have to have dpub-pwp or just regular pwp

... we don't have to have dpub-pwp or just regular pwp

15:25:40 <dauwhe> mgylling: record in the minutes that we're doing a consensus call on publishing FPWD on October 15

Markus Gylling: record in the minutes that we're doing a consensus call on publishing FPWD on October 15

15:25:59 <dauwhe> ivan: we do preliminary agreement now

Ivan Herman: we do preliminary agreement now

15:26:16 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's do preliminary call for consensus on publishing on October 15

Markus Gylling: let's do preliminary call for consensus on publishing on October 15

15:26:30 <dauwhe> ... we have until Monday Oct 12 for comments and objections

... we have until Monday Oct 12 for comments and objections

15:26:42 <dauwhe> Vlad: Columbus day is not widely recognized holiday

Vladimir Levantovsky: Columbus day is not widely recognized holiday

15:26:50 <dauwhe> ... schools are out but that's about it

... schools are out but that's about it

15:27:39 <dauwhe> Karen: many businesses don't take the holiday

Karen Myers: many businesses don't take the holiday

15:27:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's meet next week

Markus Gylling: let's meet next week

15:27:58 <dauwhe> ... let's spend this week reviewing Ivan's edits and any other final edits

... let's spend this week reviewing Ivan's edits and any other final edits

15:28:12 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:28:13 <dauwhe> ... goal is to decide next monday to publish

... goal is to decide next monday to publish

15:28:41 <dauwhe> mgylling: are we ready to move on?

Markus Gylling: are we ready to move on?

15:28:45 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:28:46 <dauwhe> [all] yes!

[all] yes!

15:28:53 <Karen> q+

Karen Myers: q+

15:29:03 <dauwhe> mgylling: topic: quick info around CSS inline

Markus Gylling: topic: quick info around CSS inline

15:29:05 <mgylling> ack karen

Markus Gylling: ack karen

15:29:22 <dauwhe> Karen: the second part of my question is what kind of message that we hope to see?

Karen Myers: the second part of my question is what kind of message that we hope to see?

15:29:33 <dauwhe> ... what is an appropriate takeaway for publishing this?

... what is an appropriate takeaway for publishing this?

15:29:39 <dauwhe> ... shout from rooftops?

... shout from rooftops?

15:29:49 <dauwhe> ... Bill McCoy and I communicated about this

... Bill McCoy and I communicated about this

15:30:03 <dauwhe> ... what's the big takeaway from this? What's the story?

... what's the big takeaway from this? What's the story?

15:30:17 <dauwhe> mgylling: should we schedule time to go through that next Monday?

Markus Gylling: should we schedule time to go through that next Monday?

15:30:22 <dauwhe> Karen: OK. That's fine.

Karen Myers: OK. That's fine.

15:30:28 <dauwhe> q+

q+

15:30:35 <dauwhe> Karen: we can deal with it

Karen Myers: we can deal with it

15:30:38 <Karen> ack Dave

Karen Myers: ack Dave

15:30:39 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:30:44 <mgylling> ack dau

Markus Gylling: ack dau

15:30:49 <Karen> Dave: Just a comment on the message around the release of this document

Dave Cramer: Just a comment on the message around the release of this document [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:30:55 <Karen> …be a little careful about

Karen Myers: …be a little careful about

15:31:03 <Karen> …my AC Rep will have significant opinions about this

Karen Myers: …my AC Rep will have significant opinions about this

15:31:11 <Karen> Ivan: Maybe you can ask

Ivan Herman: Maybe you can ask [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:31:27 <Karen> Dave: I can explicitly ask him for what specific messaging to have around this

Dave Cramer: I can explicitly ask him for what specific messaging to have around this [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:31:42 <Karen> Ivan: and do we want a press release, a blog, the level of noise to have around this

Ivan Herman: and do we want a press release, a blog, the level of noise to have around this [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:31:59 <Karen> Markus: Le'ts talk about this properly next Monday with NIck and Karen; and they will have some additional input then as well

Markus Gylling: Le'ts talk about this properly next Monday with NIck and Karen; and they will have some additional input then as well [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:32:05 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:32:13 <ivan> Topic: CSS inline

1. CSS inline

15:32:15 <Karen> scribenick: Karen

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:32:25 <Karen> Markus: Tell us about CSS inline

Markus Gylling: Tell us about CSS inline

15:32:39 <Karen> Dave; The big news is the initial letter shifts in Safari; it works in my iphone

Dave; The big news is the initial letter shifts in Safari; it works in my iphone

15:32:47 <Karen> Ivan: And Safari on the desktop?

Ivan Herman: And Safari on the desktop?

15:32:55 <Karen> Dave: I believe it will; it is in the release notes

Dave Cramer: I believe it will; it is in the release notes

15:33:06 <Karen> …I believe people who have installed latest version have been making MOs

…I believe people who have installed latest version have been making MOs

15:33:09 <Karen> …Every sign points to that

…Every sign points to that

15:33:17 <Karen> …bad news is that it's really buggy, unfortunately

…bad news is that it's really buggy, unfortunately

15:33:18 <mgylling>  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Sep/0139.html

Markus Gylling: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Sep/0139.html

15:33:21 <Karen> Ivan: you can't get it all

Ivan Herman: you can't get it all

15:33:29 <Karen> Dave: someone should have written a few tests

Dave Cramer: someone should have written a few tests

15:33:36 <Karen> …we have also published another working draft of the spec

…we have also published another working draft of the spec

15:33:44 <Karen> …and continuing to work on internationalization

…and continuing to work on internationalization

15:33:51 <Karen> …it's a significantly hard problem with this feature

…it's a significantly hard problem with this feature

15:34:06 <Karen> …So a) hoping to nail down CJK issues since I'll be surrounded by experts

…So a) hoping to nail down CJK issues since I'll be surrounded by experts

15:34:09 <Karen> …at TPAC

…at TPAC

15:34:17 <Karen> …and reach out to the type setting community since we have questions about that

…and reach out to the type setting community since we have questions about that

15:34:28 <Karen> Markus: Cool; anything you need from the IG in terms of CSS inline

Markus Gylling: Cool; anything you need from the IG in terms of CSS inline

15:34:39 <Karen> Dave: I think the useful thing is good technical knowledge of other scripts

Dave Cramer: I think the useful thing is good technical knowledge of other scripts

15:34:51 <Karen> …especially Hebrew, Arabic and Indic scripts

…especially Hebrew, Arabic and Indic scripts

15:34:59 <Karen> …If anyone knows about Arabic I would love to talk to you

…If anyone knows about Arabic I would love to talk to you

15:35:12 <Karen> Markus: Might want to repeat that question on the list for those who are not here today

Markus Gylling: Might want to repeat that question on the list for those who are not here today

15:35:15 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:35:22 <Karen> Dave: I think we are going to write up a questionnaires on the lanagues

Dave Cramer: I think we are going to write up a questionnaires on the lanagues

15:35:26 <Karen> s/languages

s/languages

15:35:37 <Karen> …Maybe broadcast through group if initial attempts fail

…Maybe broadcast through group if initial attempts fail

15:35:50 <Karen> Markus: no one on queue; congratulations, Dave and good luck with the rest of the work

Markus Gylling: no one on queue; congratulations, Dave and good luck with the rest of the work

15:35:55 <Karen> …any additional comments?

…any additional comments?

15:35:59 <Karen> q+

q+

15:36:10 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

15:36:10 <mgylling> ack karen

Markus Gylling: ack karen

15:36:23 <dauwhe> Karen: you mentioned this is in safari. Any other browsers?

Karen Myers: you mentioned this is in safari. Any other browsers?

15:36:46 <Karen> Dave: I don't have any…I know Blink has mentioned there is a higher level feature that they are not interested in implementing

Dave Cramer: I don't have any…I know Blink has mentioned there is a higher level feature that they are not interested in implementing [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:36:53 <Karen> …they have no problems implementing if other browsers do it

Karen Myers: …they have no problems implementing if other browsers do it

15:37:28 <ivan> Regrets+ Zheng_Xu

Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Zheng_Xu

15:37:32 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:37:46 <dauwhe> mgylling: several meaty topics left

Markus Gylling: several meaty topics left

15:37:49 <Karen> Dave: No other particular news

Dave Cramer: No other particular news [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:37:49 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis.html

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis.html

15:38:02 <Karen> scribenick: dauwhe
15:38:07 <dauwhe> ... the link to the table that M. Cooper of PF has been building

... the link to the table that M. Cooper of PF has been building

15:38:13 <ivan> Topic: Extended Description Analysis with PF

2. Extended Description Analysis with PF

15:38:15 <dauwhe> ... we had a lot of activity around this a while ago

... we had a lot of activity around this a while ago

15:38:18 <dauwhe> ... but work is not done

... but work is not done

15:38:33 <dauwhe> ... Michael and rest of folks in PF have asked for input on completing

... Michael and rest of folks in PF have asked for input on completing

15:38:34 <dkaplan3> q+

Deborah Kaplan: q+

15:38:43 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya sent an email about this

... Tzviya sent an email about this

15:38:49 <mgylling> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0011.html

Markus Gylling: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0011.html

15:38:59 <dauwhe> ... about what kind of input he wants

... about what kind of input he wants

15:39:09 <dauwhe> ... wherever there are question marks, input is requested

... wherever there are question marks, input is requested

15:39:13 <dauwhe> ... or empty cells

... or empty cells

15:39:28 <dauwhe> ... so we should be doing work to properly analyze this

... so we should be doing work to properly analyze this

15:39:42 <dauwhe> ... this was on agenda of a11y call last fri

... this was on agenda of a11y call last fri

15:39:46 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: it was on agenda

Deborah Kaplan: it was on agenda

15:39:55 <dauwhe> ... the grid is very good but there are clarifications we want

... the grid is very good but there are clarifications we want

15:40:01 <dauwhe> ... some things are hard to read

... some things are hard to read

15:40:16 <dauwhe> ... a couple of rows where we're not convinced it's a meaningful requirement

... a couple of rows where we're not convinced it's a meaningful requirement

15:40:27 <dauwhe> ... we're putting together some feedback over the next two weeks

... we're putting together some feedback over the next two weeks

15:40:32 <dauwhe> ... to have ready before TPAC

... to have ready before TPAC

15:40:42 <dauwhe> mgylling: will feedback be circulated?

Markus Gylling: will feedback be circulated?

15:40:50 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: if group is interested.

Deborah Kaplan: if group is interested.

15:40:55 <dauwhe> ivan: I am interested

Ivan Herman: I am interested

15:41:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: please circulate through list for review

Markus Gylling: please circulate through list for review

15:41:21 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: feedback from the wider group is welcome in any form

Deborah Kaplan: feedback from the wider group is welcome in any form

15:41:24 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:41:31 <mgylling> ack dkaplan

Markus Gylling: ack dkaplan

15:41:39 <dauwhe> mgylling: what does this mean in terms of time

Markus Gylling: what does this mean in terms of time

15:41:51 <dauwhe> ... we can do PWP consensus next week, talk about outreach

... we can do PWP consensus next week, talk about outreach

15:42:01 <dauwhe> ... we could have dedicated session to look at your stuff

... we could have dedicated session to look at your stuff

15:42:07 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: I don't think we'll be ready

Deborah Kaplan: I don't think we'll be ready

15:42:12 <dauwhe> ... charles is still on holiday

... charles is still on holiday

15:42:23 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya has been away

... Tzviya has been away

15:42:36 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:42:49 <dauwhe> mgylling: that train has left the station in terms of getting this done

Markus Gylling: the train has left the station in terms of getting this done

15:42:53 <dauwhe> s/that/the/
15:43:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: unless there are comments on table, next event will be draft reply from dkaplan3

Markus Gylling: unless there are comments on table, next event will be draft reply from dkaplan3

15:43:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: questions?

Markus Gylling: questions?

15:43:28 <dauwhe> ... let's move on

... let's move on

15:43:36 <dauwhe> ... TPAC sessions

... TPAC sessions

15:43:49 <dauwhe> ... I missed the planning call

... I missed the planning call

15:43:58 <dauwhe> ... I know that outreach has begun

... I know that outreach has begun

15:44:11 <dauwhe> ivan: I don't know about timing

Ivan Herman: I don't know about timing

15:44:16 <dauwhe> ... session wish list

... session wish list

15:44:20 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Schedule

Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Schedule

15:44:28 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya sent out feelers to all of those

... Tzviya sent out feelers to all of those

15:44:44 <dauwhe> ... from Webapps, which is relevant for service workers and also for packaging

... from Webapps, which is relevant for service workers and also for packaging

15:44:50 <dauwhe> ... strange situation

... strange situation

15:45:04 <dauwhe> ... better talk to TAG,

... better talk to TAG,

15:45:20 <dauwhe> ... Webapp meeting is Mon-Tue, as most won't be around for our meeting

... Webapp meeting is Mon-Tue, as most won't be around for our meeting

15:45:45 <dauwhe> ... chair of webapps has sent mail to his own group asking for review about service workers, and whether some of them can talk to us

... chair of webapps has sent mail to his own group asking for review about service workers, and whether some of them can talk to us

15:45:47 <mgylling> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0017.html

Markus Gylling: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0017.html

15:45:52 <dauwhe> ... she has talked to PF, CSS...

... she has talked to PF, CSS...

15:45:58 <dauwhe> ... don't know what the dates are

... don't know what the dates are

15:46:03 <dauwhe> ... annotations update

... annotations update

15:46:16 <dauwhe> ... maybe some of us should go to annotations meeting

... maybe some of us should go to annotations meeting

15:46:29 <dauwhe> ... identifiers are scary

... identifiers are scary

15:46:37 <dauwhe> ... that's a topic for Bill

... that's a topic for Bill

15:46:48 <dauwhe> ... Daniel was happy on doing a session on POM

... Daniel was happy on doing a session on POM

15:46:56 <dauwhe> ... a11y is for Deborah and Charles

... a11y is for Deborah and Charles

15:47:10 <dauwhe> ... having a meeting with HTML doesn't make much sense

... having a meeting with HTML doesn't make much sense

15:47:22 <dauwhe> ivan: these are the external group meetings

Ivan Herman: these are the external group meetings

15:47:25 <dauwhe> q+

q+

15:47:34 <dauwhe> mgylling: identifiers is an internal discussion

Markus Gylling: identifiers is an internal discussion

15:47:35 <dauwhe> ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

15:47:41 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:47:43 <dauwhe> ... Bill_Kasdorf, can you dial in?

... Bill_Kasdorf, can you dial in?

15:47:55 <dauwhe> [silence]

[silence]

15:48:02 <mgylling> ack dau

Markus Gylling: ack dau

15:48:48 <dauwhe> dauwhe: EPUB31 has an alternative to web manifest spec

Dave Cramer: EPUB31 has an alternative to web manifest spec

15:48:55 <dauwhe> mgylling: we could talk about that ourselves

Markus Gylling: we could talk about that ourselves

15:49:03 <dauwhe> ... it may be a bit early

... it may be a bit early

15:49:23 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:49:29 <dauwhe> ivan: I think there's more that's worth doing

Ivan Herman: I think there's more that's worth doing

15:49:37 <dauwhe> ... in epub31 there are subgroups

... in epub31 there are subgroups

15:49:43 <dauwhe> ... the main points are set

... the main points are set

15:49:55 <dauwhe> ... some of them are very internal to IDPF like reorg of documentation

... some of them are very internal to IDPF like reorg of documentation

15:50:01 <dauwhe> ... but others are relevant to this IG

... but others are relevant to this IG

15:50:11 <dauwhe> ... giving a list of those, and what the issues are is relevant

... giving a list of those, and what the issues are is relevant

15:50:16 <dauwhe> ... like serialization

... like serialization

15:50:30 <dauwhe> mgylling: I think I know what input we would get ;)

Markus Gylling: I think I know what input we would get ;)

15:50:39 <dauwhe> ... that's one internal session idea

... that's one internal session idea

15:50:41 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:50:50 <dauwhe> ... are there others who want to suggest things?

... are there others who want to suggest things?

15:51:02 <dauwhe> ivan: we can do it when you are back from NYC

Ivan Herman: we can do it when you are back from NYC

15:51:41 <dauwhe> ivan: who intends to dial in and when?

Ivan Herman: who intends to dial in and when?

15:52:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: maybe we should edit participants table to allow registration as virtual participant

Markus Gylling: maybe we should edit participants table to allow registration as virtual participant

15:52:34 <dauwhe> ... the final item was should we meet on Columbus day?

... the final item was should we meet on Columbus day?

15:52:37 <dauwhe> ... yes

... yes

15:53:06 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:53:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: I think we are done for today

Markus Gylling: I think we are done for today

15:53:27 <dauwhe> ... Ivan will be pushing edits on the PWP draft

... Ivan will be pushing edits on the PWP draft

15:53:40 <dauwhe> ... and Dave will talk to "stakeholders" to gather feedback

... and Dave will talk to "stakeholders" to gather feedback

15:53:55 <dauwhe> ... so we will feel good about the doc next Monday

... so we will feel good about the doc next Monday

15:54:04 <dauwhe> ... thanks to Dave and Karen for scribing

... thanks to Dave and Karen for scribing

16:00:23 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

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