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Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←

...: "There were some emails about the ARIA described-at property. They are not officially the ARIA-taskforce will soon be the ARIA working group. They have invited the publishing community to join their meeting at." ←

...: "The described-at is at risk for being removed. Deborah and the accessibility task force have done a good job writing about why it is important. If you have examples of how it's in use and the usability, please pass it along. If your org is using it, please attend! August 13th at 12:30 EST" ←

...: "meeting is scheduled for 90 minutes, but this topic will be early in the agenda so publishers can get out after." ←

...: "The next item: 'Pagination, prioritization, and other CSS excitements." ←

Dave Cramer: "As far as CSS priorities, we discussed in the beginning of July, there were some edits to GitHub, and I'm not sure where we go from here... Anyone? Thoughts?" ←

Dave Cramer: "I've been adding stuff about Math and I think there are a few more things we can do about that. There has been chatter about font-metrics API spec that could be helpful on the font side." ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Peter: "I just wanted to ask if I should bother more people about font metrics. It's pretty clear that it really wouldn't do the job for us. The 2nd and 3rd path about the conversations, it isn't clear if we are talking about the same things..." ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Alan' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Alan Tam Alan Stearns . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Alan: "Keep talking. We may not get to them in the 1st pass, but knowing where we're going is really important." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Brady, is there something specific you'd like to see or do you want to do it on the list?" ←

Heather Flanagan: Since I'm trying to write out the requirements for a CSS design for RFCs, I'm watching this space with interest and not nearly enough knowledge! ←

Unknown priorities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15IsDMPwSXx197Iqe4I9xh7K8anmJ5c0-OFEG7w0LHYM/edit?usp=sharing [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←

Dave Cramer: "I need to get my head back into this document and then. CSS and Houdini are coming up at the end of this month, so this will be a good guide for dicsussions with those groups." ←

Dave Cramer: "Deadline: a week from Friday. August 14th. For having the document in order." ←

Ivan Herman: "The experience we had was that having a published document has more weight. Do we want to publish a DRAFT of the document before the face-to-face? Is it worth doing, do you feel it can be done?" ←

Ivan Herman: "Question is also to Alan. Is it good enough for the CSS working group? We did have issues not publishing enough the last rounds." ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Alan' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Alan Tam Alan Stearns . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Alan: "Having a publicly available draft is most important for the Houdini working group. having an officially published draft, not sure how useful that is." ←

Ivan Herman: "The feedback on latinreq is that 'nothing happened therefore we believe everything is solved'." ←

Dave Cramer: "Should we publish a new working draft of LatinReq? Changes have been made." ←

Ivan Herman: "it gives us visibility and beats some other bushes, which may be useful. I'll aim to have both documents ready to go to publish a working draft by the end of next week. ←

Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Portable_Package_Requirements ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Portable package document requirements. It has been transfered over to the wiki. We spoke at length last week. We've discussed what is required for a protable document. There are 3 states. Online, Offline [cached] and portable[network indepentent]. If we're living in a service worker world, then we can create it from the online state." ←

...: "The concept of metadata is either relevant to the package or separate. A manifest may not be a requirement. Navigation isn't necessarily relevant to the package. But having software that is able to consume information is what is most important. I do not want to be the only person editing this. We should have use-cases for all of these." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Online is online - offline is brief disruption. Portable is no network exists." ←

Dave Cramer: "Is there an actual distinction here? If something is being accessed from an external server? And a 3rd case where there is no server connection. I think of a traditional epub as the portable document, but some things we're looking at are more like websites and cache." ←

Bill Kasdorf: +1 to online, cached, and portable because "offline" implies both cached and portable states ←

Ivan Herman: "What is the target of this specific document? I know there is 1 thing we ought to do - go back to the web-application group. We need to have clear uses/use-cases that some packaging format is necessary. Essentially saying that some sort of a packaging format is necessary. If that is the goal, then there are some issues in the list that are definitely exciting and interesting but not ←

relevant for that specific issue - such as metadata (which is within the file and not an issue here)" ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Agreed - i think most of the things listed here are irrelevant to packages. It came about on the use-cases for packaging. They were hold-over from epubs. Such as rights-management which is not relevant to packaging. Stable links or a method for identifying the package as well as the components for the package." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "So the next steps are to tease out what is important and useful to packaging." ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Tim' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Tim Clark Timothy Cole . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Tim: "On that same vein. In reading the document right now, I'm unclear the definition of a publication. Notes that can be added - links that can be changed. There are some things on the list of items that bleed over into what might change a bit - update new components. Where is this and the idea of package relative to the dynamic nature of publications today." ←

Unknown Tzivya: "Even with an archived form, there is a method of update. Archive with a formal archive, we could have versions - version 1.0, but online could have a different version. " ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Tim' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Tim Clark Timothy Cole . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Tim: "And when the resource comes online, the package needs a way to update." ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Heather' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Heather: "There was enough energy to get the group started, but not do any of the work. It can restart if people show a willingness to work, but I don't see it go any further. The draft they did is still available and we can use that." ←

Ivan Herman: "It might be helpful, if nothing else, to get the terminology right. I know you have sent around the link, but please do it again. - to the mailing list." ←

Tzviya Siegman: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0021.html ←

Ivan Herman: "reminder for the goal: we want enough votes to extend the group by just switching to the new charter. It would be the cleanest and best way. There is a rule at W3C that when there is a charter out, then 5% of the membership should be in favor of the charter. The practice says we should have 20 votes in. Of course, the important players should cast their votes. At this moment we have ←

...: "The practice/experience is that just waiting for votes to come in rarely works. We try to contact some members/AC reps to try to get them to vote. Members that I think are important. The most important thing is that everyone who is active on this group to get their votes in." ←

...: "I have 5 people who are on the call who belong to members who have not yet voted... Ben, Dave, Mike Miller, Brady, and Alan" ←

...: "For the others, it's up to you to tell me if you want me to contact internally or I'll do it directly. Marcus and Bill need to vote. I will try to contact IBM, Rich's participation is important. Microsoft, mozilla, Rakuten... I have already contacted some others who have already voted. You tell me what I should do." ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Alan' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Alan Tam Alan Stearns . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Ivan Herman: "The fear I have - because I'm in france - isn't pierre on vacation?" ←

Ivan Herman: "If the votes come in, then we are done. For the image of it, we certainly need IDPF's vote. Marcus?" ←

...: "The more the merrier - as of no, no objections or critical comments only positive." ←

Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details ←

Tzviya Siegman: "We can start putting ideas for sessions on the Wiki page above. Flight info, etc." ←

...: "we want to hear ideas for sessions - one session per taskforces. Who do you want to meet with? If this ends up being 1 day about accessibility, then one day about CSS we want to be more diverse... Alan says ArinBnB are much cheaper..." ←

Ivan Herman: "I booked all flights - one flight jumped 300 euros in one day. Prices are going up ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Agenda items for next week? deborah - accessibility update?" ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Heather' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Heather: (darth vader) "We had some dsicussion at the face-2-face/..." ←

Unknown Nick: "Yes, lets have an agenda item update for next week on education..." ←

Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 03 August 2015