Meeting Record

Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 23 March 2015

Agenda

http://www.w3.org/mid/5509EBBF.1090504@gmail.com

Seen

Alan Stearns, Ben De Meester, Bill Kasdorf, Brady Duga, Charles LaPierre, Dave Cramer, Deborah Kaplan, Ivan Herman, Karen Myers, Liam Quin, Liza Daly, Luc Audrain, Markus Gylling, Paul Belfanti, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Shinyu Murakami, Thierry Michel, Tzviya Siegman, Unknown MikeMiller, Unknown NickRuffilo, Unknown kwkbtr, Vladimir Levantovsky

Regrets

Luc Audrain, Unknown Heather, Thierry Michel

Chair

Tzviya Siegman

Scribe

Unknown NickRuffilo

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

review on CSS fragments
Identifiers
latinreq
action items in tracker
action items
plan face-to-face meetings
ePub 3.1 call for functionality

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14:17:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

14:17:03 <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2015

14:17:19 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5509EBBF.1090504@gmail.com

14:17:58 <ivan> Regrets: Luc, Heather, Thierry

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14:59:07 <NickRuffilo> zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:59:22 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya

14:59:24 <NickRuffilo> Zakim, happy monday

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14:59:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'happy monday', NickRuffilo

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14:59:42 <NickRuffilo> Zakim, you will learn the wonders of monday soon enough

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14:59:42 <Zakim> I don't understand you, NickRuffilo

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14:59:52 <NickRuffilo> Zakim, in time my friend, in time

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14:59:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'in time my friend, in time', NickRuffilo

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14:59:55 <Zakim> +Liam

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15:00:00 <tzviya> agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Mar/0022.html

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15:00:06 <NickRuffilo> zakim, help

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15:00:21 <tzviya> scribenick: NickRuffilo

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15:00:34 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ??P6 is me

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15:00:55 <ivan> zakim, code?

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15:00:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

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15:01:01 <NickRuffilo> Ahh, i need a space after scribenick:

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15:01:19 <murakami> zakim, ??P8 is me

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15:01:51 <NickRuffilo> zakim, who's here

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15:01:56 <NickRuffilo> zakim, who's here?

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15:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, Tzviya, philm, MikeMiller, NickRuffilo, Karen_Myers, Liam, Vlad, kwkbtr, murakami, dkaplan3, duga, Ivan, +1.617.684.aaaa, pkra

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15:02:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see murakami, Vlad, AH_Miller, phil_m, philm, tzviya, NickRuffilo, brady_duga, kwkbtr, clapierre1, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, Karen, pkra, rego, astearns, liam, dkaplan3,

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15:02:00 <Zakim> ... plinss, iank, mihnea_____, trackbot

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15:02:02 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf

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15:02:09 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Liza

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15:02:09 <Zakim> +Liza; got it

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15:02:29 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf

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15:03:07 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya

15:03:25 <Zakim> +Markus

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15:03:46 <NickRuffilo> Meeting begin!

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15:03:58 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Mar/0019.html

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15:04:06 <Zakim> +astearns

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15:04:09 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Any comments on the notes from last meeting?"

Tzviya Siegman: "Any comments on the notes from last meeting?" ←

15:04:15 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Minutes approved."

...: "Minutes approved." ←

15:04:33 <ivan> Topic: review on CSS fragments

1. review on CSS fragments

15:04:36 <tzviya> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-break-3/

Tzviya Siegman: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-break-3/ ←

15:04:39 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Next agenda items - review/comments on CSS fragments from liza and brady."

...: "Next agenda items - review/comments on CSS fragments from liza and brady." ←

15:04:41 <Zakim> +lfowler

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15:04:51 <Zakim> +pbelfanti

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15:06:13 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q? ←

15:06:15 <NickRuffilo> Brady: "Not sure who has read the spec of css-break - introduces fragmentaners.  Covers page-break, column break, fragment break, etc.  How that works in various situations, floats, etc.  Seems obvious but it's actually alot trickier than it sounds, so it goes into lots of details.  I've posted some comments.  No responses yet, but I just posted them.  Overall spec looks good, tackles difficult

Brady Duga: "Not sure who has read the spec of css-break - introduces fragmentaners. Covers page-break, column break, fragment break, etc. How that works in various situations, floats, etc. Seems obvious but it's actually alot trickier than it sounds, so it goes into lots of details. I've posted some comments. No responses yet, but I just posted them. Overall spec looks good, tackles difficult ←

15:06:15 <NickRuffilo> area, and would be great to have it implemented."

area, and would be great to have it implemented." ←

15:06:23 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "Can you post a link to reply?"

Ivan Herman: "Can you post a link to reply?" ←

15:06:35 <NickRuffilo> Brady: "I'm doing multiple replies, but everything has CSS-BREAK in the title."

Brady Duga: "I'm doing multiple replies, but everything has CSS-BREAK in the title." ←

15:06:45 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "In the WWW Style mailing list, right?"

Ivan Herman: "In the WWW Style mailing list, right?" ←

15:06:48 <NickRuffilo> Brady: "Yes"

Brady Duga: "Yes" ←

15:06:48 <astearns> many threads here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/

Alan Stearns: many threads here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/ ←

15:06:49 <ivan> comments on the www-style mailing lis

Ivan Herman: comments on the www-style mailing lis ←

15:09:08 <Zakim> +[Ugent]

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15:09:13 <NickRuffilo> Liza: "I reviewed it in the context of having implemented pagination using web technologies (aka terrible hack using something existing like columns or regions or by hand).  For me, the problems I was looking for this to solve - which is solves some and not others - such as how to break up complex object like tables.  There are some rules on how to break out tables.  What I found is that alot of

Liza Daly: "I reviewed it in the context of having implemented pagination using web technologies (aka terrible hack using something existing like columns or regions or by hand). For me, the problems I was looking for this to solve - which is solves some and not others - such as how to break up complex object like tables. There are some rules on how to break out tables. What I found is that alot of ←

15:09:13 <NickRuffilo> concept we have at Safari, in which this spec doesn't address, is with placed elements like images, video, and movable blocks.  So if you were making print-layout, you would deal with widows, orphans, images by making the page smaller and dealing with those cases individually.  Certain kinds of content wouldn't find this solution particularly attractive as it would still wouldn't work wonderfully

concept we have at Safari, in which this spec doesn't address, is with placed elements like images, video, and movable blocks. So if you were making print-layout, you would deal with widows, orphans, images by making the page smaller and dealing with those cases individually. Certain kinds of content wouldn't find this solution particularly attractive as it would still wouldn't work wonderfully ←

15:09:14 <NickRuffilo> for highly disjointed content.  Images, widows, captions, etc."

for highly disjointed content. Images, widows, captions, etc." ←

15:09:17 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me

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15:09:17 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it

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15:09:32 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester

Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester ←

15:09:38 <astearns> q+

Alan Stearns: q+ ←

15:09:42 <NickRuffilo> ...: "This won't solve those issues, but it will solve lots of other complex layouts.  Most of publisher content will still not make publishers feel like pagination is a solved problem."

...: "This won't solve those issues, but it will solve lots of other complex layouts. Most of publisher content will still not make publishers feel like pagination is a solved problem." ←

15:10:25 <tzviya> ack astearns

Tzviya Siegman: ack astearns ←

15:10:28 <NickRuffilo> Brady: "I agree with that.  It does not handle the dynamic reflow you want when dealing with pagination.  Unfortunately I don't quite understand how tables break if you're breaking within a table-row.  Easy to break within the boundaries, but not sure how a page has multiple page-breaks"

Brady Duga: "I agree with that. It does not handle the dynamic reflow you want when dealing with pagination. Unfortunately I don't quite understand how tables break if you're breaking within a table-row. Easy to break within the boundaries, but not sure how a page has multiple page-breaks" ←

15:12:29 <NickRuffilo> ?Alan?: "I believe multiple-page-breaks is trying to address that.  The section on parallel flows.  Examples may not be sufficient or explicable, so feedback on that would be wonderful.  Spec is just on how things are layed out, but nothing on how fragment containers are adjusted.  Interesting to see if resizing monolithic elements within a container is possible within break opportunities.  It

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Unknown Alan: "I believe multiple-page-breaks is trying to address that. The section on parallel flows. Examples may not be sufficient or explicable, so feedback on that would be wonderful. Spec is just on how things are layed out, but nothing on how fragment containers are adjusted. Interesting to see if resizing monolithic elements within a container is possible within break opportunities. It ←

15:12:29 <NickRuffilo> tries to deal with widows/ophans and captions in check.  You can have breaks prohibited between paired items.  Only issue is when the two items are unable to fit within the unbreaked container."

tries to deal with widows/ophans and captions in check. You can have breaks prohibited between paired items. Only issue is when the two items are unable to fit within the unbreaked container." ←

15:12:29 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q? ←

15:13:24 <NickRuffilo> Liza: "Surprised to see lots of examples where the page size varied from page-to-page.  It would describe the behavior if the pages were extremely varied different sizes.  Only time I would see something like that in real-life publishing is if a page went from portrait to landscape."

Liza Daly: "Surprised to see lots of examples where the page size varied from page-to-page. It would describe the behavior if the pages were extremely varied different sizes. Only time I would see something like that in real-life publishing is if a page went from portrait to landscape." ←

15:13:42 <ivan> s/?Alan?/Alan/

15:13:51 <NickRuffilo> Brady: "Happens more in magazines when you go from full-page to column-based layouts.  Most of CSS assumes you have a particular length to work in."

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Unknown Alan: "Happens more in magazines when you go from full-page to column-based layouts. Most of CSS assumes you have a particular length to work in." ←

15:14:06 <tzviya> s/Brady/Alan

15:14:17 <NickRuffilo> Thanks - sorry, i'm still new ^_^

Thanks - sorry, i'm still new ^_^ ←

15:14:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/identifiers

Bill Kasdorf: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/identifiers ←

15:14:27 <ivan> Topic: Identifiers

2. Identifiers

15:16:13 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "I can be brief: Thanks to Tzviya and Ivan we've made great leaps forward.  The Wiki (link above) has a good group of people signed up, but more are welcome.  What Tzviya contributed was a great start on a background section.  Earlier, Ivan started to develop a strategy around how we would identify identifiers that are specific to media types.  Just use them, don't define them.  Secondly

Bill Kasdorf: "I can be brief: Thanks to Tzviya and Ivan we've made great leaps forward. The Wiki (link above) has a good group of people signed up, but more are welcome. What Tzviya contributed was a great start on a background section. Earlier, Ivan started to develop a strategy around how we would identify identifiers that are specific to media types. Just use them, don't define them. Secondly ←

15:16:13 <NickRuffilo> identifiers that get you into the package/some place within the package.  Please read the Wiki as there is wonderful information in there."

identifiers that get you into the package/some place within the package. Please read the Wiki as there is wonderful information in there." ←

15:16:26 <NickRuffilo> ...: "I will see if Tzviya/Ivan have anything to add."

...: "I will see if Tzviya/Ivan have anything to add." ←

15:16:43 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "I think we may just want to outline the goal of the TF."

Tzviya Siegman: "I think we may just want to outline the goal of the TF." ←

15:17:48 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "The overarching goal is identifiers in general for ebup web.  Identifying the publication will be messy, so lets first start with identifying fragments.  Ideally the outcome is to recommend to the W3C refinements to the existing spec or some other solution that gets us where we need to get.  Now we need to identify fragments as that will be important to annotations and other sections of

Bill Kasdorf: "The overarching goal is identifiers in general for ebup web. Identifying the publication will be messy, so lets first start with identifying fragments. Ideally the outcome is to recommend to the W3C refinements to the existing spec or some other solution that gets us where we need to get. Now we need to identify fragments as that will be important to annotations and other sections of ←

15:17:48 <NickRuffilo> publishing."

publishing." ←

15:18:00 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Ideally we take an existing spec with no changes, IDEAL world..."

Tzviya Siegman: "Ideally we take an existing spec with no changes, IDEAL world..." ←

15:18:15 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

15:18:29 <tzviya> ack liam

Tzviya Siegman: ack liam ←

15:18:29 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention xpointer framework

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15:18:32 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "Thats the thing we've identified.  Noting what is needed and hopefully we find that is already out there and the diffs."

Bill Kasdorf: "Thats the thing we've identified. Noting what is needed and hopefully we find that is already out there and the diffs." ←

15:19:24 <NickRuffilo> Liam: "We have a framework for XML document called XPOINTER where you name a scheme - cfi or xpath, that is probably worth looking at as it provides you the ability to define what you're pointing at and the pointing mechanisms."

Liam Quin: "We have a framework for XML document called XPOINTER where you name a scheme - cfi or xpath, that is probably worth looking at as it provides you the ability to define what you're pointing at and the pointing mechanisms." ←

15:19:48 <NickRuffilo> ...: "People have been doing it for 20 years which is fairly robust to changes/namespaces"

...: "People have been doing it for 20 years which is fairly robust to changes/namespaces" ←

15:19:50 <tzviya> ack Ivan

Tzviya Siegman: ack Ivan ←

15:21:09 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "In a sense, my view is that XPOINTER is something we should - of course - use as a black box, as well as all the other fragment identifiers for different media types.  Because they are there and we should not reinvent the wheel.  What is unique is that we have a package and we have to find a way to get into the package.  To all the various schemes in the background, only ?CSI? and those

Ivan Herman: "In a sense, my view is that XPOINTER is something we should - of course - use as a black box, as well as all the other fragment identifiers for different media types. Because they are there and we should not reinvent the wheel. What is unique is that we have a package and we have to find a way to get into the package. To all the various schemes in the background, only CFI and those ←

15:21:09 <NickRuffilo> that are in the package, are those that are too be reviewed, critisized, etc."

that are in the package, are those that are too be reviewed, critisized, etc." ←

15:23:28 <NickRuffilo> ...: "What both do is start with the package, then identify the document within the package.  The 2nd step is to go within the document which is in the package.  The CSI doesn't do a really good job because they also specify the fragment into the HTML document, which should be left to the XPOINTER.  The goal is to get to the document when starting within a package.  I have tried to collect the

...: "What both do is start with the package, then identify the document within the package. The 2nd step is to go within the document which is in the package. The CSI doesn't do a really good job because they also specify the fragment into the HTML document, which should be left to the XPOINTER. The goal is to get to the document when starting within a package. I have tried to collect the ←

15:23:28 <NickRuffilo> requirements for having such a mechanism.  Whether those requirements are the right ones, or if there are others to be looked at, that is something we need to find together.  For example: My understanding of CFI is that actually it can go through several documents from the package.  From the Package you can get to HTML, then to an object, then to something else.  So it hops through steps before

requirements for having such a mechanism. Whether those requirements are the right ones, or if there are others to be looked at, that is something we need to find together. For example: My understanding of CFI is that actually it can go through several documents from the package. From the Package you can get to HTML, then to an object, then to something else. So it hops through steps before ←

15:23:28 <NickRuffilo> getting to a media type, something that the package identifier does not do."

getting to a media type, something that the package identifier does not do." ←

15:24:14 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Not sure this is a requirement for the publishing industry or not. If it is, it is something we need for the web packages.  CFI doesn't lose any of the fragments.  My preferences would be to rely on fragment identifiers."

...: "Not sure this is a requirement for the publishing industry or not. If it is, it is something we need for the web packages. CFI doesn't lose any of the fragments. My preferences would be to rely on fragment identifiers." ←

15:24:24 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+ ←

15:24:26 <NickRuffilo> ...: "That would be a way for us to focus on what is specific."

...: "That would be a way for us to focus on what is specific." ←

15:24:28 <clapierre1> s/?CSI?/CFI

15:25:03 <NickRuffilo> tzviya: "part of it has to do with how we get inside the package, which is dependent on HOW we structure the package..."

Tzviya Siegman: "part of it has to do with how we get inside the package, which is dependent on HOW we structure the package..." ←

15:25:17 <tzviya> ack mgylling

Tzviya Siegman: ack mgylling ←

15:25:21 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "Indeed.  the CFI and package fragment take a different part simply because the package is different.  But they do the same thing."

Ivan Herman: "Indeed. the CFI and package fragment take a different part simply because the package is different. But they do the same thing." ←

15:26:45 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Two things.  First - when it comes to fragments - we have many simple questions to ask.  Given the HTML document that is part of the package.  I want to define something that is a text-fragment, is there a way for me to do that today?  What are the things we would need to do to allow that?  That's pretty straight-forward, but we need to list the requirements but we need to list the stuff

Markus Gylling: "Two things. First - when it comes to fragments - we have many simple questions to ask. Given the HTML document that is part of the package. I want to define something that is a text-fragment, is there a way for me to do that today? What are the things we would need to do to allow that? That's pretty straight-forward, but we need to list the requirements but we need to list the stuff ←

15:26:45 <NickRuffilo> that we would want to identify."

that we would want to identify." ←

15:28:05 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

15:28:13 <NickRuffilo> ...: "I wanted to - in terms of ultimate goal - which pertains to fragments, paths, and identifiers, it isn't just about packages.  If you look at it from the whitepaper, it shouldn't matter if the package is an archive or exploded and online.  If I create a URI, that URI should look the same no matter what the publication is (archive or online) which is an important thing to remember moving

Markus Gylling: "I wanted to - in terms of ultimate goal - which pertains to fragments, paths, and identifiers, it isn't just about packages. If you look at it from the whitepaper, it shouldn't matter if the package is an archive or exploded and online. If I create a URI, that URI should look the same no matter what the publication is (archive or online) which is an important thing to remember moving ←

15:28:13 <NickRuffilo> forward.  If we don't get there, we will end up reinventing things with different syntax, but we've painted ourselves into a corner.  We shouldn't have syntax based off a state of the publication."

forward. If we don't get there, we will end up reinventing things with different syntax, but we've painted ourselves into a corner. We shouldn't have syntax based off a state of the publication." ←

15:28:16 <tzviya> ack ivan

Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←

15:29:12 <tzviya> s/.../mgylling

15:29:21 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "we have to deal with the most specific one - identifying something within one document; The classical fragment issue.  Must have a clear idea on what our requirements are on this term.  What I'm saying is that we should at least try."

Ivan Herman: "we have to deal with the most specific one - identifying something within one document; The classical fragment issue. Must have a clear idea on what our requirements are on this term. What I'm saying is that we should at least try." ←

15:29:39 <tzviya> me/ hi, dave - still on fragIDs, already did CSS fragments

Tzviya Siegman: me/ hi, dave - still on fragIDs, already did CSS fragments ←

15:30:51 <NickRuffilo> ...: "If it is an xpointer scheme we haven't implemented yet, ok, but we need to reply on it.  The fundamental approach should be - whatever possible, rely on existing fragment IDs.  This is one end of the spectrum.  The other end of the spectrum is identifying a BOOK or a document.  Which is about giving an identifier.  This is complicated because it isn't a fragment, it's in the Identifier

...: "If it is an xpointer scheme we haven't implemented yet, ok, but we need to reply on it. The fundamental approach should be - whatever possible, rely on existing fragment IDs. This is one end of the spectrum. The other end of the spectrum is identifying a BOOK or a document. Which is about giving an identifier. This is complicated because it isn't a fragment, it's in the Identifier ←

15:30:51 <NickRuffilo> world, which is messy.  There is something in between which is a different set of requirements.  "

world, which is messy. There is something in between which is a different set of requirements. " ←

15:31:25 <Zakim> +dauwhe

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15:31:26 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "I thought we were going to have a TF call?  Should we have the call, or have the discussion via e-mail?"

Bill Kasdorf: "I thought we were going to have a TF call? Should we have the call, or have the discussion via e-mail?" ←

15:31:36 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Conversation started on the list, then schedule a call."

Tzviya Siegman: "Conversation started on the list, then schedule a call." ←

15:32:32 <ivan> Topic: latinreq

3. latinreq

15:33:11 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/

Tzviya Siegman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/ ←

15:33:35 <NickRuffilo> Dave: "update is that there isn't much to update.  Where do we go from here?  Prince is using it as a blueprint for book products to try to increase the value of that PDF forematter.  I would love to add/flesh out more too it, but not sure what I should be adding right now.  Contributions/comments are very welcome!"

Dave Cramer: "update is that there isn't much to update. Where do we go from here? Prince is using it as a blueprint for book products to try to increase the value of that PDF forematter. I would love to add/flesh out more too it, but not sure what I should be adding right now. Contributions/comments are very welcome!" ←

15:33:39 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q? ←

15:33:51 <NickRuffilo> q+

q+ ←

15:33:55 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+ ←

15:34:05 <tzviya> ack NickRuffilo

Tzviya Siegman: ack NickRuffilo ←

15:34:09 <NickRuffilo> Nick: "What is latinreq?"

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Unknown Nick: "What is latinreq?" ←

15:34:44 <NickRuffilo> Dave: "How page layout should be done in western languages.  Inspired by JLreq - spec for japanese.  What do they do for pagenumbers, running headers, typesetting, line-heights, headings."

Dave Cramer: "How page layout should be done in western languages. Inspired by JLreq - spec for japanese. What do they do for pagenumbers, running headers, typesetting, line-heights, headings." ←

15:35:14 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Alot of this stuff has not been written down anywhere.  Just been the oral traditions of typesetters and composition people.  For the web/electronic documents, been trying to write it down."

...: "Alot of this stuff has not been written down anywhere. Just been the oral traditions of typesetters and composition people. For the web/electronic documents, been trying to write it down." ←

15:35:15 <tzviya> ack mgylling

Tzviya Siegman: ack mgylling ←

15:35:57 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "What happened with JLReq - it was completed, finalized, then the editors retired.  Do you see latinreq as a living rec that will not go that path?  Or should we maintain the idea of completeness/final?"

Markus Gylling: "What happened with JLReq - it was completed, finalized, then the editors retired. Do you see latinreq as a living rec that will not go that path? Or should we maintain the idea of completeness/final?" ←

15:36:18 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/

Tzviya Siegman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/ ←

15:36:34 <NickRuffilo> Dave: "I have no intention of ending things.  So I think of it as a living thing.  I would like it to keep evolving and getting bigger/better."

Dave Cramer: "I have no intention of ending things. So I think of it as a living thing. I would like it to keep evolving and getting bigger/better." ←

15:37:10 <NickRuffilo> dave: "Edits will ebb/flow, based on the community and people who are willing to help.  In this case, I don't want to declare victory and go home.  I feel like there is much more."

Dave Cramer: "Edits will ebb/flow, based on the community and people who are willing to help. In this case, I don't want to declare victory and go home. I feel like there is much more." ←

15:37:42 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "There were some areas we would hope there would be work with other communities, such as STEM.  We might find the results of Peter's survey we might have additional information, such as equations, etc."

Tzviya Siegman: "There were some areas we would hope there would be work with other communities, such as STEM. We might find the results of Peter's survey we might have additional information, such as equations, etc." ←

15:37:46 <pkra> +1

Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←

15:38:09 <NickRuffilo> Dave: "We'll take contributions in any forms.  Sketches, examples, etc.  I'll do the formal writing, but I need feedback/input"

Dave Cramer: "We'll take contributions in any forms. Sketches, examples, etc. I'll do the formal writing, but I need feedback/input" ←

15:38:19 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q? ←

15:38:22 <astearns> q+

Alan Stearns: q+ ←

15:38:38 <tzviya> ack astearns

Tzviya Siegman: ack astearns ←

15:39:10 <NickRuffilo> Alan: "Liza brought up something with fragmentation spec - how publishing deals with fitting monolithic content into fixed-size page.  There might be useful notes in latinreq about how such content fits within it's containers."

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Unknown Alan: "Liza brought up something with fragmentation spec - how publishing deals with fitting monolithic content into fixed-size page. There might be useful notes in latinreq about how such content fits within it's containers." ←

15:39:29 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Page-break-inside, etc.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt."

Tzviya Siegman: "Page-break-inside, etc. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt." ←

15:40:01 <NickRuffilo> Alan: "Based on the aspect ratio, the caption could be on the left, right, a different page (the facing page, etc)...  Lots of things that happen around the placement of captions relative to images."

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Unknown Alan: "Based on the aspect ratio, the caption could be on the left, right, a different page (the facing page, etc)... Lots of things that happen around the placement of captions relative to images." ←

15:40:27 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Another issue we discussed is tables.  Not sure we discussed diagonal headers...  Probably a good discussion about offline."

Tzviya Siegman: "Another issue we discussed is tables. Not sure we discussed diagonal headers... Probably a good discussion about offline." ←

15:40:57 <NickRuffilo> ...: "When the header is on an angle, but the body content is normal.  Timetables are often done like that."

...: "When the header is on an angle, but the body content is normal. Timetables are often done like that." ←

15:41:55 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "if you have exmaples of wacky content, Dave can write it up."

Tzviya Siegman: "if you have exmaples of wacky content, Dave can write it up." ←

15:42:01 <NickRuffilo> topic: action items in tracker

4. action items in tracker

15:42:02 <ivan> topic: action items

5. action items

15:42:16 <NickRuffilo> tzviya: "Does everyone have the tools they need to track things."

Tzviya Siegman: "Does everyone have the tools they need to track things." ←

15:42:44 <ivan> action-21 ?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-21 ? ←

15:42:44 <trackbot> action-21 -- Peter Krautzberger to Publish first draft of stem use cases and pain points summary -- due 2015-02-28 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-21 -- Peter Krautzberger to Publish first draft of stem use cases and pain points summary -- due 2015-02-28 -- OPEN ←

15:42:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/21

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15:43:27 <NickRuffilo> Peter: "We are deferring this..."

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Unknown Peter: "We are deferring this..." ←

15:43:51 <NickRuffilo> tzviya: "We need to prioritize.  Peter has too many action items."

Tzviya Siegman: "We need to prioritize. Peter has too many action items." ←

15:44:09 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Will this come out of the STEM survey?"

...: "Will this come out of the STEM survey?" ←

15:44:12 <NickRuffilo> Peter: "Yes."

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Unknown Peter: "Yes." ←

15:44:25 <NickRuffilo> Peter: "Survey going out this week, so we'll be able to do this after that."

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Unknown Peter: "Survey going out this week, so we'll be able to do this after that." ←

15:44:59 <ivan> action-27?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-27? ←

15:44:59 <trackbot> action-27 -- Peter Krautzberger to Compare mathml tables with html, and write it up on a wiki page -- due 2015-03-19 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-27 -- Peter Krautzberger to Compare mathml tables with html, and write it up on a wiki page -- due 2015-03-19 -- OPEN ←

15:44:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/27

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15:45:47 <NickRuffilo> Peter: "I have done some work, but it hasn't been completed.  Can we just push this?  I need to do some stuff for the math working group.  The STEM survey has my priority."

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Unknown Peter: "I have done some work, but it hasn't been completed. Can we just push this? I need to do some stuff for the math working group. The STEM survey has my priority." ←

15:46:00 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Do you want to bring this task to the Math working group and have them do this?"

Tzviya Siegman: "Do you want to bring this task to the Math working group and have them do this?" ←

15:46:05 <NickRuffilo> Peter: "Yes."

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Unknown Peter: "Yes." ←

15:46:16 <ivan> action-31?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-31? ←

15:46:16 <trackbot> action-31 -- Karen Myers to Initiate business use case -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-31 -- Karen Myers to Initiate business use case -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN ←

15:46:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/31

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15:46:18 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "We'll change this to 'by the math working group'"

Tzviya Siegman: "We'll change this to 'by the math working group'" ←

15:46:38 <ivan> action-34?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-34? ←

15:46:38 <trackbot> action-34 -- Peter Krautzberger to Send stem survey -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-34 -- Peter Krautzberger to Send stem survey -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN ←

15:46:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/34

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15:46:43 <NickRuffilo> Karen: "Yes.  I've made some progress, but please give me 2 weeks.  Wnat it by first week in april"

Karen Myers: "Yes. I've made some progress, but please give me 2 weeks. Wnat it by first week in april" ←

15:46:45 <dauwhe> zakim, mute me

Dave Cramer: zakim, mute me ←

15:46:45 <Zakim> dauwhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dauwhe should now be muted ←

15:46:48 <Zakim> -duga

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15:46:57 <ivan> close action-34

Ivan Herman: close ACTION-34 ←

15:46:57 <trackbot> Closed action-34.

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15:47:07 <ivan> action-42?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-42? ←

15:47:07 <trackbot> action-42 -- Ivan Herman to Find someone to review i18n web page -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN

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15:47:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/42

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15:47:09 <NickRuffilo> Zakim, you're so useful

Zakim, you're so useful ←

15:47:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you're so useful', NickRuffilo

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15:47:15 <ivan> close action-42

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15:47:15 <trackbot> Closed action-42.

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15:47:22 <ivan> action-43?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-43? ←

15:47:22 <trackbot> action-43 -- Tzviya Siegman to Dpub to read i18n documentation from epub perspective for gap analysis -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-43 -- Tzviya Siegman to Dpub to read i18n documentation from epub perspective for gap analysis -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN ←

15:47:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/43

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15:47:40 <ivan> close action-43

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15:47:40 <trackbot> Closed action-43.

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15:47:59 <ivan> action-44?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-44? ←

15:47:59 <trackbot> action-44 -- Markus Gylling to Talk to brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases -- due 2015-01-19 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-44 -- Markus Gylling to Talk to brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases -- due 2015-01-19 -- OPEN ←

15:47:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/44

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15:48:10 <ivan> close action-44

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15:48:10 <trackbot> Closed action-44.

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15:48:15 <ivan> action-45?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-45? ←

15:48:15 <trackbot> action-45 -- Brady Duga to Add information to personalization use cases -- due 2015-02-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-45 -- Brady Duga to Add information to personalization use cases -- due 2015-02-16 -- OPEN ←

15:48:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/45

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15:48:16 <brady_duga> I dropped (deadzone), but I think I still have something to do on 45

Brady Duga: I dropped (deadzone), but I think I still have something to do on 45 ←

15:48:25 <brady_duga> I forgot it existed - sorry

Brady Duga: I forgot it existed - sorry ←

15:48:48 <ivan> action-46?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-46? ←

15:48:48 <trackbot> action-46 -- Tzviya Siegman to Contact the html wg for a working definition of footnote -- due 2015-02-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 -- Tzviya Siegman to Contact the html wg for a working definition of footnote -- due 2015-02-16 -- OPEN ←

15:48:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/46

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15:48:52 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Two weeks will be added to give Brady time."

Tzviya Siegman: "Two weeks will be added to give Brady time." ←

15:49:15 <dauwhe> zakim, unmute me

Dave Cramer: zakim, unmute me ←

15:49:15 <Zakim> dauwhe should no longer be muted

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15:49:29 <ivan> action-47?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-47? ←

15:49:29 <trackbot> action-47 -- Thierry Michel to Create new wiki for identifiers tf -- due 2015-03-02 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-47 -- Thierry Michel to Create new wiki for identifiers tf -- due 2015-03-02 -- OPEN ←

15:49:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/47

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15:49:36 <ivan> close action-47

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15:49:36 <trackbot> Closed action-47.

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15:49:41 <ivan> action-48?

Ivan Herman: ACTION-48? ←

15:49:41 <trackbot> action-48 -- Peter Krautzberger to Gather font metric info from the mathwg for houdini -- due 2015-03-09 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-48 -- Peter Krautzberger to Gather font metric info from the mathwg for houdini -- due 2015-03-09 -- OPEN ←

15:49:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/48

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15:49:52 <pkra> Sorry I dropped off the call.

Peter Krautzberger: Sorry I dropped off the call. ←

15:49:59 <pkra> This was actually two items.

Peter Krautzberger: This was actually two items. ←

15:50:13 <pkra> a) use case of font metrics for MathJax / MathML polyfilling

Peter Krautzberger: a) use case of font metrics for MathJax / MathML polyfilling ←

15:50:21 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Hoping peter can get in touch witht he Match working group"

Tzviya Siegman: "Hoping peter can get in touch witht he Match working group" ←

15:50:23 <pkra> b) talk to MathWG about other use cases.

Peter Krautzberger: b) talk to MathWG about other use cases. ←

15:50:30 <Zakim> -pkra

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15:50:40 <dauwhe> Link for Houdini Font Metrics spec: http://dev.w3.org/houdini/font-metrics-api/

Dave Cramer: Link for Houdini Font Metrics spec: http://dev.w3.org/houdini/font-metrics-api/ ←

15:50:42 <pkra> a) I have started on

Peter Krautzberger: a) I have started on ←

15:50:54 <pkra> b) I will bring up on the next call with the MathWG.

Peter Krautzberger: b) I will bring up on the next call with the MathWG. ←

15:50:58 <NickRuffilo> Tzyiva: "Is there anyoen else who can help peter with this?"

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Unknown Tzyiva: "Is there anyoen else who can help peter with this?" ←

15:51:11 <tzviya> thanks, Peter - is 4 weeks enoughs?

Tzviya Siegman: thanks, Peter - is 4 weeks enoughs? ←

15:51:21 <pkra> tzviya yes, 4 weeks will do it.

Peter Krautzberger: tzviya yes, 4 weeks will do it. ←

15:51:48 <NickRuffilo> topic: plan face-to-face meetings

6. plan face-to-face meetings

15:52:03 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details

Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details ←

15:52:07 <Zakim> +duga

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15:52:35 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "we have May meeting scheduled for 26th May, NYC.  Please add your information to the wiki to let us know you're coming.  We would like to start planning the agenda."

Tzviya Siegman: "we have May meeting scheduled for 26th May, NYC. Please add your information to the wiki to let us know you're coming. We would like to start planning the agenda." ←

15:53:34 <NickRuffilo> ...: "I think we also talked about broader issues, such as packaging."

...: "I think we also talked about broader issues, such as packaging." ←

15:53:43 <Zakim> +pkra

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15:53:53 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Rather than just having reports, which we do on these calls.  So bigger topics such as packaging."

Markus Gylling: "Rather than just having reports, which we do on these calls. So bigger topics such as packaging." ←

15:54:57 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Please add your name to the May meeting.  If you're in the new york area, please show up.  It's the time for IDPF and BEA.  Information for hotels is there.  Book early."

Tzviya Siegman: "Please add your name to the May meeting. If you're in the new york area, please show up. It's the time for IDPF and BEA. Information for hotels is there. Book early." ←

15:55:26 <NickRuffilo> ...: "TPACK? in Sopporo Japan.  We are supposed to respond to a questionnaire.  Organizers need to know if we're going."

...: "TPAC? in Sopporo Japan. We are supposed to respond to a questionnaire. Organizers need to know if we're going." ←

15:55:28 <ivan> TPAC: Week of the 26th of October, Sapporo

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15:55:28 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

15:55:34 <tzviya> ack ivan

Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←

15:55:43 <tzviya> s/TPACK/TPAC

15:57:09 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "I think the TPAC meeting is a little different than the previous.  Going through the TF reports we can do elsewhere.  What was very useful in the last one was to talk to a number of other groups.  That would be one of the main reasons that having the meeting there would be important, even though I realize not many people will show up.  Having our voice heard is important.  Other things we

Ivan Herman: "I think the TPAC meeting is a little different than the previous. Going through the TF reports we can do elsewhere. What was very useful in the last one was to talk to a number of other groups. That would be one of the main reasons that having the meeting there would be important, even though I realize not many people will show up. Having our voice heard is important. Other things we ←

15:57:09 <NickRuffilo> should try to do is we have unfortunately only a few people from east-asia in the group and this is a chance for their voices to be heard."

should try to do is we have unfortunately only a few people from east-asia in the group and this is a chance for their voices to be heard." ←

15:57:32 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC/

Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC/ ←

15:57:42 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Also good to get a japanese/east-asian perspective.  We should give a slightly different view on the meeting and try to have it."

...: "Also good to get a japanese/east-asian perspective. We should give a slightly different view on the meeting and try to have it." ←

15:58:26 <NickRuffilo> ...: "IETF meeting there as well previous, so Heather may be there as well."

...: "IETF meeting there as well previous, so Heather may be there as well." ←

15:59:23 <NickRuffilo> Topic: ePub 3.1 call for functionality

7. ePub 3.1 call for functionality

16:00:29 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "In the next 2 months, the IDPF is collecting suggestions for the upcoming epub 3.1 revision.  Which will be proposed in May, and kickoff in the summer/end of year.  3.1 is first revision that IDPF is running in the lifetime of Digital Publishing WG and since the relationship and desire for convergence.  That said, 3.1 is not the new big epub web, but an increment to the existing."

Markus Gylling: "In the next 2 months, the IDPF is collecting suggestions for the upcoming epub 3.1 revision. Which will be proposed in May, and kickoff in the summer/end of year. 3.1 is first revision that IDPF is running in the lifetime of Digital Publishing WG and since the relationship and desire for convergence. That said, 3.1 is not the new big epub web, but an increment to the existing." ←

16:01:05 <NickRuffilo> ...: "There is an opportunity, even though it can't be dramatic, to propose features/change requests based on our work.  If you're interested in coming up with such proposals/suggestions, feel free to contact me."

...: "There is an opportunity, even though it can't be dramatic, to propose features/change requests based on our work. If you're interested in coming up with such proposals/suggestions, feel free to contact me." ←

16:01:29 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q? ←

16:02:19 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "Typical case - something that may come back to bill - if you take a look at the document that the Metadata group produced, there are very specifically things that we say "The open web platform has the technologies to do this.  The DPUB WG may not use these technologies yet.  These are the things that may come to this."

Ivan Herman: "Typical case - something that may come back to bill - if you take a look at the document that the Metadata group produced, there are very specifically things that we say "The open web platform has the technologies to do this. The DPUB WG may not use these technologies yet. These are the things that may come to this." ←

16:02:20 <Zakim> -pbelfanti

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16:02:35 <Zakim> -pkra

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16:02:39 <Zakim> -MikeMiller

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16:03:09 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

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16:03:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see lfowler

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16:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, dauwhe, bjdmeest, pbelfanti, LFowler, liza, murakami, Vlad, tzviya, kwkbtr, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, Karen, pkra, rego, astearns, liam, dkaplan3, plinss,

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16:03:10 <Zakim> ... iank, mihnea_____, trackbot

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16:03:19 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended

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16:03:20 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, philm, MikeMiller, Karen_Myers, NickRuffilo, Liam, Vlad, kwkbtr, dkaplan3, duga, murakami, Ivan, +1.617.684.aaaa, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, Liza,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, philm, MikeMiller, Karen_Myers, NickRuffilo, Liam, Vlad, kwkbtr, dkaplan3, duga, murakami, Ivan, +1.617.684.aaaa, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, Liza, ←

16:03:20 <Zakim> ... Markus, astearns, lfowler, pbelfanti, bjdmeest, dauwhe

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16:03:26 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←

16:03:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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16:03:26 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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16:03:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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16:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

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16:03:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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16:03:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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