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14:13:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:13:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 47 minutes
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14:13:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:13:56 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
14:14:29 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda for 2014-09-08: http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda for 2014-09-08: http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com ←
14:14:34 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
14:14:40 <ivan> Chair: Markus
14:15:50 <ivan> Regrets: Dave Cramer, Peter Krautzberger, Tim Cole, Karen Myers, Alan Stearns, Mike Miller
Scribe problem: the name 'Tim Cole' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki
Scribe problem: the name 'Mike Miller' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki
14:57:59 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
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14:58:06 <Zakim> +clapierre1
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14:58:23 <Zakim> +philm
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14:58:48 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:58:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:49 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:55 <mgylling> regrets: Dave, Alan, Peter, Karen, Mike
Scribe problem: the name 'Alan' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Alan Tam Alan Stearns . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Scribe problem: the name 'Mike' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki
14:59:36 <Zakim> +dkaplan3
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14:59:44 <Zakim> +??P24
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14:59:47 <Zakim> +??P22
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14:59:54 <Zakim> +duga
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14:59:56 <mgylling> Zakim, ?P22 is me
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14:59:56 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named '?P22' ←
15:00:02 <Zakim> -??P24
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15:00:07 <Zakim> +dkaplan3.a
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15:00:07 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P22 is me
Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P22 is me ←
15:00:08 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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15:00:17 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaaa
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15:00:24 <Zakim> +tzviya
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15:00:27 <liza> Zakim, dkaplan3.a is me
Liza Daly: Zakim, dkaplan3.a is me ←
15:00:27 <Zakim> +liza; got it
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15:00:42 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.48.38.aabb ←
15:01:12 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is benjaminsko
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is benjaminsko ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it
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15:01:29 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.734.904.aacc ←
15:01:30 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Luc
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Luc ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:01:41 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:01:57 <clapierre> zakim, clapierre1 is me
Charles LaPierre: zakim, clapierre1 is me ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +clapierre; got it ←
15:01:57 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:01:58 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:02:08 <murakami> zakim,??P2 is me
Shinyu Murakami: zakim,??P2 is me ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +murakami; got it ←
15:02:23 <Zakim> +Julie
Zakim IRC Bot: +Julie ←
15:02:52 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
15:03:29 <Zakim> +azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> +Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam ←
15:03:46 <ivan> zakim, ??P6 pagano
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P6 pagano ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P6 pagano', ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P6 pagano', ivan ←
15:03:50 <ivan> zakim, ??P6 is pagano
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P6 is pagano ←
15:03:50 <Zakim> +pagano; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pagano; got it ←
15:03:55 <Zakim> +david_stroup
Zakim IRC Bot: +david_stroup ←
15:04:38 <Zakim> +Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben ←
15:04:48 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, Ruben is me ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
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15:04:50 <Zakim> +pBelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: +pBelfanti ←
15:04:54 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
15:04:54 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
15:04:55 <ivan> zakim, pagano is Patrick_Pagano
Ivan Herman: zakim, pagano is Patrick_Pagano ←
15:04:55 <Zakim> +Patrick_Pagano; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Patrick_Pagano; got it ←
15:05:05 <mgylling> zakim, pick a victim
Markus Gylling: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Liam ←
15:05:24 <mgylling> zakim, pick a victim
Markus Gylling: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:05:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:06:03 <ivan> scribenick: julie
(Scribe set to Julie Morris)
15:06:09 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:06:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, philm, Ivan, dkaplan3, mgylling, duga, liza, benjaminsko, tzviya, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Patrick_Pagano, Julie, madi, azaroth, Liam,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, philm, Ivan, dkaplan3, mgylling, duga, liza, benjaminsko, tzviya, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Patrick_Pagano, Julie, madi, azaroth, Liam, ←
15:06:13 <Zakim> ... david_stroup, TomDN (muted), pBelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: ... david_stroup, TomDN (muted), pBelfanti ←
15:06:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, TomDN, Julie, AkshatJ, madi, david_stroup, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, benjaminsko, tzviya, Luc, liza, brady_duga, philm, tmichel, mgylling, clapierre,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pbelfanti, TomDN, Julie, AkshatJ, madi, david_stroup, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, benjaminsko, tzviya, Luc, liza, brady_duga, philm, tmichel, mgylling, clapierre, ←
15:06:13 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, dkaplan3, astearns_, plinss, liam, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, dkaplan3, astearns_, plinss, liam, trackbot ←
15:06:20 <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
Liza Daly: I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no longer chairing (but I'll be out next week) ←
15:06:29 <Zakim> + +91.99.70.18.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +91.99.70.18.aadd ←
15:06:32 <Julie> Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none, approved
Markus Gylling: any objections to previous week's minutes- none, approved ←
15:07:03 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:07:24 <Julie> MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
Scribe problem: the name 'MGilling' does not match any of the 83 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF ←
15:07:30 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:07:44 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
15:08:00 <Zakim> + +1.718.701.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.718.701.aaee ←
15:08:32 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Askok_Bandyopadhyay
Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is Askok_Bandyopadhyay ←
15:08:32 <Zakim> +Askok_Bandyopadhyay; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Askok_Bandyopadhyay; got it ←
15:08:40 <Julie> PF meeting last week
PF meeting last week ←
15:09:04 <Julie> two topics: 1) role attributes
two topics: 1) role attributes ←
15:09:09 <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
Akshat Joshi: sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India ←
15:09:26 <Zakim> +Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vlad ←
15:09:46 <ivan> zakim, Askok_Bandyopadhyay is AkshatJoshi
Ivan Herman: zakim, Askok_Bandyopadhyay is AkshatJoshi ←
15:09:46 <Zakim> +AkshatJoshi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AkshatJoshi; got it ←
15:09:57 <Julie> Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and formats
Tzviya Siegman: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and formats ←
15:09:58 <AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
Akshat Joshi: thank ivan :) ←
15:10:22 <Julie> some of documentation more formal than what group's documentation has been in the past
some of documentation more formal than what group's documentation has been in the past ←
15:11:06 <Julie> Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF ←
15:11:16 <Julie> she will have the document to share with all next week
she will have the document to share with all next week ←
15:11:21 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:11:46 <Julie> MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
Markus Gylling: what do you see as the end result for this work? ←
15:12:16 <Julie> Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
Tzviya Siegman: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning ←
15:12:35 <Julie> meaningful for educational content
meaningful for educational content ←
15:13:08 <Julie> read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or non-sighted reader
read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or non-sighted reader ←
15:13:31 <mgylling> btw, recap: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
Markus Gylling: btw, recap: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options ←
15:14:16 <Julie> MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will override the HTML5 spec
Markus Gylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will override the HTML5 spec ←
15:15:06 <Julie> ...when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act simultaneously with PF
...when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act simultaneously with PF ←
15:15:33 <Julie> Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
Tzviya Siegman: want to avoid drawing out process ←
15:15:59 <Julie> ...should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes to HTML)
...should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes to HTML) ←
15:16:05 <ivan> +1 to Markus
Ivan Herman: +1 to Markus ←
15:16:21 <Julie> MGylling: at minimun, recognize the overlap and importance of timing
Markus Gylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of timing ←
15:17:15 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:17:15 <Julie> Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
Deborah Kaplan: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be scheduling a meeting ASAP to address ←
15:17:19 <ivan> s/minimun/minimum/
15:17:40 <tmichel> zakim, ??P0 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
15:17:40 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:17:44 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:17:48 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:17:52 <Julie> ...there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues are also somewhat separate from PF
...there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues are also somewhat separate from PF ←
15:19:16 <Julie> ....will connect with Judy [last name?]
....will connect with Judy Brewer ←
15:19:31 <mgylling> s/[last name?]/Brewer
15:19:37 <mgylling> ack liam
Markus Gylling: ack liam ←
15:19:37 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
Zakim IRC Bot: liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf ←
15:20:05 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:20:15 <Julie> Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
Liam Quin: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections ←
15:20:39 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:20:52 <Julie> Bill K: metadata report draft...
Bill K: metadata report draft... ←
15:21:12 <Julie> Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit ←
15:21:26 <Julie> ...now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
...now open to the whole DPIG to contribute ←
15:21:28 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
Ivan Herman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report ←
15:23:26 <Julie> ...three things currently there: 1) interview summary; interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's conclusions for what needs to be done
...three things currently there: 1) interview summary; interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's conclusions for what needs to be done ←
15:24:02 <Julie> .. question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible action, grounded in interviews and summary
.. question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible action, grounded in interviews and summary ←
15:24:41 <Julie> ...trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write metadata
...trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write metadata ←
15:25:37 <Julie> ...summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with recommendations
...summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with recommendations ←
15:26:11 <Julie> ...looking for feedback from the IG
...looking for feedback from the IG ←
15:26:25 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations Initial recommendations
Ivan Herman: -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations Initial recommendations ←
15:27:00 <Julie> ...futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there are existing vocabularies that work
...futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there are existing vocabularies that work ←
15:27:26 <Julie> ...idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
...idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX ←
15:27:49 <Julie> ...but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
...but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite" ←
15:28:05 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
Zakim IRC Bot: -dkaplan3 ←
15:28:07 <Julie> ...some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
...some of ONIX is relevant, others not, ←
15:29:16 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
15:29:55 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:30:35 <madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan.
Madi Solomon: Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan. ←
15:30:39 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
15:32:05 <Julie> BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org additions
BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org additions ←
15:32:21 <Julie> ..will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from there
..will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from there ←
15:32:54 <mgylling> ack azaroth
Markus Gylling: ack azaroth ←
15:33:15 <Julie> Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
Ivan Herman: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work together for mutual benefit to accomplish this ←
15:33:23 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:33:47 <Julie> Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG ←
15:33:55 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:34:20 <Julie> Bill K; next step to identify priorities
Bill K; next step to identify priorities ←
15:34:43 <Zakim> -Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: -Liam ←
15:34:51 <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
Paul Belfanti: apologies, need to drop ←
15:35:12 <Zakim> -AkshatJoshi
Zakim IRC Bot: -AkshatJoshi ←
15:35:13 <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
Ivan Herman: Richard Wallis is the person to talk to ←
15:35:46 <Julie> linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
linked data for libraries project w/OCLC ←
15:36:03 <Julie> ..how will this work interact with current work going on there?
..how will this work interact with current work going on there? ←
15:36:27 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants list of participants in the schemabibtex group
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants list of participants in the schemabibtex group ←
15:36:52 <Julie> Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily library-centric
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Unknown Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily library-centric ←
15:37:09 <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos :)
Robert Sanderson: +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos :) ←
15:37:46 <Julie> Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked data space
Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked data space ←
15:37:56 <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and working with lib linked dasta people
Deborah Kaplan: +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and working with lib linked dasta people ←
15:37:56 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:38:24 <Julie> Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
Tzviya Siegman: ?'s about overall metadata TF document... ←
15:39:05 <Julie> some are issues IG can approach and some are not
some are issues IG can approach and some are not ←
15:39:52 <Julie> ...burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata traveling with content
...burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata traveling with content ←
15:40:43 <Julie> Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some lives with content
Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some lives with content ←
15:41:10 <Julie> Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
Tzviya Siegman: inconsistency also develops with lack of rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates ←
15:42:07 <Julie> Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level also needs to be associated with chunks within the content ←
15:42:16 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:42:20 <Julie> these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues ←
15:42:28 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:42:33 <Zakim> -duga
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15:43:27 <Julie> Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be used for metadata
Ivan Herman: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be used for metadata ←
15:44:09 <Julie> ...needs to be emphasized in the document the connections between annotations
...needs to be emphasized in the document the connections between annotations ←
15:44:54 <Julie> Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should focus on, i.e. schema.org work
Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should focus on, i.e. schema.org work ←
15:45:27 <Julie> ...i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C issues
...i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C issues ←
15:45:30 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:46:05 <Julie> MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a start?
Markus Gylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a start? ←
15:46:10 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:46:11 <Julie> Tzviya will do
Tzviya will do ←
15:47:05 <Julie> Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues, so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue will be logged
Ivan Herman: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues, so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue will be logged ←
15:47:23 <Julie> ... if there are changes, these should be added directly to GitHub
... if there are changes, these should be added directly to GitHub ←
15:47:57 <Julie> Ivan: tracker should be used to properly record issues
Ivan Herman: tracker should be used to properly record issues ←
15:48:10 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:49:22 <Julie> MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
Markus Gylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC ←
15:50:10 <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
Robert Sanderson: :) Thank you Tzviya ←
15:50:10 <Julie> ...IG has had good progress for finding a replacement co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able to step up as co-chair
...IG has had good progress for finding a replacement co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able to step up as co-chair ←
15:50:16 <Luc> +1
Luc Audrain: +1 ←
15:50:21 <Julie> Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC ←
15:50:22 <philm> +1
Phil Madans: +1 ←
15:50:31 <Julie> +1
+1 ←
15:50:38 <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
Bill Kasdorf: Hooray!! ←
15:51:05 <Julie> MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up meetings with
Markus Gylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up meetings with ←
15:51:45 <Julie> proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
proposed draft of agenda for next meeting ←
15:52:08 <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
Robert Sanderson: The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting? ←
15:52:18 <Julie> ...WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
...WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS, ←
15:52:39 <Julie> ..agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present to them
..agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present to them ←
15:52:55 <Julie> Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
Tzviya Siegman: just a few elements ready most likley ←
15:53:20 <Julie> ...HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
...HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility ←
15:54:26 <Julie> ...Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
...Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with ←
15:54:41 <Julie> ...Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
...Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts ←
15:55:18 <Julie> ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require changes on the dom level?
...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require changes on the dom level? ←
15:56:19 <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
Liam Quin: [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf] ←
15:56:26 <Julie> MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on Tues
Markus Gylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on Tues ←
15:57:30 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
15:57:37 <Julie> ...large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but not specific topics to discuss at this point
...large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but not specific topics to discuss at this point ←
15:57:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:57:48 <mgylling> ack clapierre
Markus Gylling: ack clapierre ←
15:58:08 <Julie> Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and accessibility team re-SVG attribution
Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and accessibility team re-SVG attribution ←
15:58:50 <Julie> ...accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
...accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri. ←
15:59:13 <Julie> Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team ←
15:59:52 <azaroth> +1 :)
Robert Sanderson: +1 :) ←
15:59:53 <Julie> ...Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
...Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering ←
16:00:02 <Julie> at some point during the week
at some point during the week ←
16:00:02 <Zakim> -pBelfanti
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16:00:03 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:00:24 <Julie> Tzviya: what about internationalization?
Tzviya Siegman: what about internationalization? ←
16:00:26 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:00:39 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:01:01 <Julie> Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues ←
16:01:27 <Zakim> -philm
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16:01:29 <Julie> ...pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group for help on
...pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group for help on ←
16:01:48 <Julie> Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
Ivan Herman: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements ←
16:02:22 <Julie> ...only one character set, but an important one
...only one character set, but an important one ←
16:03:27 <Zakim> -Patrick_Pagano
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16:03:42 <Julie> MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda next week, open to suggestions
Markus Gylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda next week, open to suggestions ←
16:03:49 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:04:01 <Julie> ...thanks everyone, until next Monday
...thanks everyone, until next Monday ←
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16:04:24 <Zakim> -azaroth
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16:04:24 <Julie> [end of call]
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16:04:45 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:09:41 <Zakim> Attendees were philm, Ivan, dkaplan3, duga, mgylling, +1.917.447.aaaa, tzviya, liza, +33.6.48.38.aabb, benjaminsko, +1.734.904.aacc, Luc, clapierre, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Julie,
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16:09:42 <Zakim> ... madi, azaroth, Liam, david_stroup, TomDN, pBelfanti, Patrick_Pagano, +91.99.70.18.aadd, +1.718.701.aaee, Vlad, AkshatJoshi, tmichel
Zakim IRC Bot: ... madi, azaroth, Liam, david_stroup, TomDN, pBelfanti, Patrick_Pagano, +91.99.70.18.aadd, +1.718.701.aaee, Vlad, AkshatJoshi, tmichel ←
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