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14:01:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:01:40 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2014
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14:57:46 <Zakim> +Tzviya
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14:58:18 <Zakim> +Julie_Morris_BISG
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14:58:24 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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14:58:26 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:33 <Zakim> +??P8
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14:58:37 <mgylling> zakim, code?
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14:58:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mgylling
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14:58:48 <Zakim> +??P9
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14:58:54 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
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14:59:01 <mgylling> zakim, ??P9 is me
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14:59:10 <Zakim> +Tim_Cole
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14:59:13 <Zakim> +duga
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14:59:22 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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15:00:01 <Zakim> +liza
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15:00:20 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is AH_Miller
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15:00:55 <murakami> hello, I am new here...
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15:01:26 <dauwhe> murakami: hello and welcome!
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15:01:38 <benjaminsko> benjaminsko: test entry, please ignore
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15:01:49 <ivan> welcome, murakami!
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15:01:55 <Zakim> + +1.585.708.aabb
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15:02:17 <david_stroup> 585 is david stroup
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15:02:33 <ivan> zakim, aabb is david_stroup
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15:02:33 <fjh> zakim. ipcaller is me
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15:02:36 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??p2 is Me
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15:02:36 <Zakim> +Bert
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15:02:36 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
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15:02:43 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
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15:02:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, AH_Miller, Ivan, ??P8, mgylling, dauwhe, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, Stearns, Karen_Myers, david_stroup, gcapiel,
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15:02:47 <Zakim> ... +1.212.965.aacc, [IPcaller], Bert
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15:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, TimCole, david_stroup, karen, liza, philm, gcapiel, benjaminsko, brady_duga, murakami, tzviya, Julie, mgylling, AH_Miller, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, TimCole, david_stroup, karen, liza, philm, gcapiel, benjaminsko, brady_duga, murakami, tzviya, Julie, mgylling, AH_Miller, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, ←
15:02:47 <Zakim> ... dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
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15:02:48 <ivan> zakim, ??P2 is murakami
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15:02:48 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as gcapiel, ivan
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15:03:09 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
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15:03:11 <ivan> zakim, ??P8 is murakami
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15:03:11 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
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15:03:27 <murakami> thanks.
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15:03:59 <Zakim> +Luc
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15:04:31 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
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15:04:57 <tzviya> murakami: lead formatter representing CSS
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15:05:05 <mgylling> sorry, tzviya, we had ben as scribe
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15:05:20 <astearns> s/CSS/AntennaHouse/
15:05:31 <mgylling> scribenick benjaminsko
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15:05:53 <fjh> scribenick: benjaminsko
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15:05:54 <mgylling> prev weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html
Markus Gylling: prev weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:06:13 <benjaminsko> mgylling: 2 agenda topics for today and previous weeks minutes to be accepted. minutes accepted.
Markus Gylling: 2 agenda topics for today and previous weeks minutes to be accepted. minutes accepted. ←
15:06:38 <Zakim> + +1.201.783.aadd
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15:06:40 <benjaminsko> ...second topic is structural semantics, first being continuation of last week which ended prematurely
...second topic is structural semantics, first being continuation of last week which ended prematurely ←
15:07:08 <ivan> zakim, aadd is pbelfanti
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15:07:09 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
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15:07:30 <benjaminsko> ...what are next steps for metadata? bill, in terms of harvesting info from interviews, where are we?
...what are next steps for metadata? bill, in terms of harvesting info from interviews, where are we? ←
15:07:44 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:07:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, AH_Miller, Ivan, murakami, mgylling, dauwhe, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, Stearns, Karen_Myers, david_stroup, gcapiel,
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15:07:45 <Zakim> ... +1.212.965.aacc, [IPcaller], Bert, Bill_Kasdorf, Luc, pbelfanti
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15:07:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, TimCole, david_stroup, karen, liza, philm, gcapiel, benjaminsko, brady_duga, murakami, tzviya, Julie, mgylling, AH_Miller, fjh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pbelfanti, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, TimCole, david_stroup, karen, liza, philm, gcapiel, benjaminsko, brady_duga, murakami, tzviya, Julie, mgylling, AH_Miller, fjh, ←
15:07:47 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
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15:07:47 <mgylling> BillK’s summary: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#Phase_1_Strategy
Markus Gylling: BillK’s summary: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#Phase_1_Strategy ←
15:08:33 <benjaminsko> ... last week's discussion coalesced in a good area--here's what we were hearing--priorities are: folks want to associate metadata with publications...down to phrase level..people's names..
... last week's discussion coalesced in a good area--here's what we were hearing--priorities are: folks want to associate metadata with publications...down to phrase level..people's names.. ←
15:08:55 <benjaminsko> ...eliza gave good introduction framing this. we're talking about metadata in web contexts, not in contexts like products
...liza gave good introduction framing this. we're talking about metadata in web contexts, not in contexts like products ←
15:09:09 <ivan> s/eliza/liza/
15:09:43 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
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15:09:52 <benjaminsko> ... top of list is subject metadata, lots of vocabs very large, subject of keywords came up frequently, may handle separately...onix code lists...id's, extensibility, pedagogical information, rights information. those are priorities bill heard
... top of list is subject metadata, lots of vocabs very large, subject of keywords came up frequently, may handle separately...onix code lists...id's, extensibility, pedagogical information, rights information. those are priorities bill heard ←
15:10:11 <benjaminsko> ...two important things: schema.org already supports a lot, as well as microdata and rdfa
...two important things: schema.org already supports a lot, as well as microdata and rdfa ←
15:11:18 <benjaminsko> ....in schema.org, many vocabularies and complex. many publishers want the detail...we ought to be agnostic as to vocabs just support the mechanism. schema.org has lots of thse mechanisms. suggest partnering with BSIG.org
....in schema.org, many vocabularies and complex. many publishers want the detail...we ought to be agnostic as to vocabs just support the mechanism. schema.org has lots of thse mechanisms. suggest partnering with BSIG.org ←
15:11:27 <TimCole> +q
Scribe problem: the name 'TimCole' does not match any of the 70 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'TimCole' does not match any of the 70 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown TimCole: +q ←
15:11:35 <liza> Good summary, Bill
Liza Daly: Good summary, Bill ←
15:11:39 <mgylling> ack TimCole
Markus Gylling: ack TimCole ←
15:12:17 <benjaminsko> TimCole: dynamicism of metadata of certain fields, tends to change a lot more often and build up over time vs natural resource(???) ddoes this have implications for best practices of ????
Scribe problem: the name 'TimCole' does not match any of the 70 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown TimCole: dynamicism of metadata of certain fields, tends to change a lot more often and build up over time vs natural resource(???) ddoes this have implications for best practices of ???? ←
15:12:49 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:13:16 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:13:18 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: typically terms don't go away, new terms are added. old terms aren't made obsolete. lots are volatile. changes-rights, territorial, marketing. it's arguable that one needs to be careful what metadata you embed unlesss you can maintain it
Bill Kasdorf: typically terms don't go away, new terms are added. old terms aren't made obsolete. lots are volatile. changes-rights, territorial, marketing. it's arguable that one needs to be careful what metadata you embed unlesss you can maintain it ←
15:14:05 <benjaminsko> pbelfanti: agree we need to articulate how to support it vs back one particular standard. where there are standards, is there a way to acknowledge that. e.g. with EDUPUB
Paul Belfanti: agree we need to articulate how to support it vs back one particular standard. where there are standards, is there a way to acknowledge that. e.g. with EDUPUB ←
15:14:19 <benjaminsko> ...can those particular instances (like EDUPUB) be acknowledged?
...can those particular instances (like EDUPUB) be acknowledged? ←
15:14:27 <benjaminsko> mgylling: where acknowledged?
Markus Gylling: where acknowledged? ←
15:14:34 <benjaminsko> pbelfanti: in the guidelines and recommendations
Paul Belfanti: in the guidelines and recommendations ←
15:14:58 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: can be put in the to do bucket. ability is already there to point to an authority
Bill Kasdorf: can be put in the to do bucket. ability is already there to point to an authority ←
15:15:10 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:15:22 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pbelfanti (61%), [GVoice] (47%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pbelfanti (61%), [GVoice] (47%) ←
15:15:39 <benjaminsko> pbelfanti: there are different entities....there should be as much consistency as possible
Paul Belfanti: there are different entities....there should be as much consistency as possible ←
15:16:59 <benjaminsko> ?? i've reached out to schema.org ben brickly(?) public face of schema.org answered. when he is back home, happy to come to one of these calls and answer questions.
ivan i've reached out to schema.org ben brickly(?) public face of schema.org answered. when he is back home, happy to come to one of these calls and answer questions. ←
15:17:02 <Zakim> +Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam ←
15:17:14 <astearns> s/??/ivan/
15:17:24 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what are gearing up to do with schema.org
Markus Gylling: what are gearing up to do with schema.org ←
15:18:29 <benjaminsko> ivan: if there is an agreement that we would work together with light vocab for schema, we should find out if they (schema.org) are interested in getting it into schema.org
Ivan Herman: if there is an agreement that we would work together with light vocab for schema, we should find out if they (schema.org) are interested in getting it into schema.org ←
15:18:42 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what problem are we trying to solve in one line?
Markus Gylling: what problem are we trying to solve in one line? ←
15:19:35 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: since we resolved last week it is appropriate to focus on books and since bsig.org is already working on this in examining schema.org and how well books are covered, there is an ongoing activity that we shouldn't have to duplicate
Bill Kasdorf: since we resolved last week it is appropriate to focus on books and since bsig.org is already working on this in examining schema.org and how well books are covered, there is an ongoing activity that we shouldn't have to duplicate ←
15:20:13 <benjaminsko> Julie: we are not far enough along to report on findings. done some initial work on common core, mapping elements... people know onix very well, trying to map what onix elements to schema.org, lrmi metadata
Julie Morris: we are not far enough along to report on findings. done some initial work on common core, mapping elements... people know onix very well, trying to map what onix elements to schema.org, lrmi metadata ←
15:20:50 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:20:58 <benjaminsko> ... gerardo from benetech(?) completed a metadata crosswalk specific to accessiblity within edupub. see it expanded to other data points where it makes sense. not all of onix.
... gerardo from benetech(?) completed a metadata crosswalk specific to accessiblity within edupub. see it expanded to other data points where it makes sense. not all of onix. ←
15:21:19 <benjaminsko> .... identify where there are mappings and where add'l work might be needed. consult with schema.org right and conduct a mapping
.... identify where there are mappings and where add'l work might be needed. consult with schema.org right and conduct a mapping ←
15:21:31 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what is the problem you are attempting to address julie?
Markus Gylling: what is the problem you are attempting to address julie? ←
15:22:01 <benjaminsko> Julie: identify where if particular metadata is input into onix where pubs can take advantage of metadata and include it in their epub files to be able to have structural metadata as well.
Julie Morris: identify where if particular metadata is input into onix where pubs can take advantage of metadata and include it in their epub files to be able to have structural metadata as well. ←
15:22:03 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
15:22:24 <benjaminsko> .... with less specific goal in mind: general win to show consistency between different metadata schemas
.... with less specific goal in mind: general win to show consistency between different metadata schemas ←
15:22:46 <benjaminsko> ... whether that is worth it to future of onix, hopefully they are in alignment as much as possible
... whether that is worth it to future of onix, hopefully they are in alignment as much as possible ←
15:23:41 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: keep with coming from coming up with yet another vocabulary. this is in response to enthusiasm for developing an "onix-lite" (not official name). advise we go slowly on that. instead see what BSIG is doing. they represent whole book pub industry and a re responsible for onix in Nrth America
Bill Kasdorf: keep with coming from coming up with yet another vocabulary. this is in response to enthusiasm for developing an "onix-lite" (not official name). advise we go slowly on that. instead see what BSIG is doing. they represent whole book pub industry and a re responsible for onix in Nrth America ←
15:24:15 <tzviya> BSIG/s/BISG
Tzviya Siegman: BSIG/s/BISG ←
15:24:36 <benjaminsko> mgylling: one liner summation: current metadata schemes used by publishers are not web enabled, separate envelopes that don't blend with content properly. is that a problem
Markus Gylling: one liner summation: current metadata schemes used by publishers are not web enabled, separate envelopes that don't blend with content properly. is that a problem ←
15:24:40 <benjaminsko> ??? yes that is a problem
liza yes that is a problem ←
15:24:51 <benjaminsko> mgylling: there is an absence of mappings between various problems out there.
Markus Gylling: there is an absence of mappings between various problems out there. ←
15:24:52 <Luc> +q
Luc Audrain: +q ←
15:24:52 <liza> s/???/liza/
15:25:16 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: true but i would say the problem is the capabilities of schema.org to express publishers' metadata is not well understood
Bill Kasdorf: true but i would say the problem is the capabilities of schema.org to express publishers' metadata is not well understood ←
15:25:23 <benjaminsko> mgylling: i can live with those
Markus Gylling: i can live with those ←
15:25:26 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:26:58 <benjaminsko> ivan: .... [sorrry, accidentally lost a line here].. if people use same metadata but different syntax, then that metadata is visible. my mental model is to do something similar. they could map 80% of their properties to schema.org
Ivan Herman: .... [sorrry, accidentally lost a line here].. if people use same metadata but different syntax, then that metadata is visible. my mental model is to do something similar. they could map 80% of their properties to schema.org ←
15:27:35 <benjaminsko> ... if they do that to onix, that is not possible as onix is way bigger. a model is to make a version of it and map it to schema.org hierarchy. so conceptually same terms could be used on web and searchable on web
... if they do that to onix, that is not possible as onix is way bigger. a model is to make a version of it and map it to schema.org hierarchy. so conceptually same terms could be used on web and searchable on web ←
15:28:15 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: onix--while it's huge, it's also modular. it's conceivable, at a high level, we have the properties that could be put in schema.org. the codelists in onix would not be put in schema.org. but referenced
Bill Kasdorf: onix--while it's huge, it's also modular. it's conceivable, at a high level, we have the properties that could be put in schema.org. the codelists in onix would not be put in schema.org. but referenced ←
15:28:35 <mgylling> ack dauwhe
Markus Gylling: ack dauwhe ←
15:28:37 <benjaminsko> mgylling: two diff levels. should we have web-enabled metadata? who should host the vocab
Markus Gylling: two diff levels. should we have web-enabled metadata? who should host the vocab ←
15:29:00 <Luc> +100
Luc Audrain: +100 ←
15:29:26 <benjaminsko> dauwhe: our onix data is all over web, amazon's book pages is example of that. not a direct process. onix travels separate from books. quite deliberate. want to update metadata with out having to update epub.
Dave Cramer: our onix data is all over web, amazon's book pages is example of that. not a direct process. onix travels separate from books. quite deliberate. want to update metadata with out having to update epub. ←
15:29:49 <benjaminsko> ... one thing lacking onix describes the entire publication. we may want more granular publication. no way to describe part of pub
... one thing lacking onix describes the entire publication. we may want more granular publication. no way to describe part of pub ←
15:29:55 <mgylling> ack Luc
Markus Gylling: ack Luc ←
15:29:59 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: that's a fundamental point
Bill Kasdorf: that's a fundamental point ←
15:30:58 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
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15:31:23 <benjaminsko> Luc: onix.. distribution schema for prices territories rights and so on.. made it available on the web. agree with dave. metadata made available by bookstores. e.g., user is looking at book from certain country, needs to be able to be shown country-specific rights, priceses per territory
Luc Audrain: onix.. distribution schema for prices territories rights and so on.. made it available on the web. agree with dave. metadata made available by bookstores. e.g., user is looking at book from certain country, needs to be able to be shown country-specific rights, priceses per territory ←
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15:31:39 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:31:39 <benjaminsko> ...when ingested by bookstores, max is available on the web
...when ingested by bookstores, max is available on the web ←
15:31:47 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:32:06 <TimCole> q+
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15:32:46 <benjaminsko> ivan: understand that. question is: does it still make sense to define onix schema having a version of a subset of the whole thing that can be put as metadata for specific book in the book, but in various catalogs, e.g., in critiques of books, descriptions of books, so search engines can find them
Ivan Herman: understand that. question is: does it still make sense to define onix schema having a version of a subset of the whole thing that can be put as metadata for specific book in the book, but in various catalogs, e.g., in critiques of books, descriptions of books, so search engines can find them ←
15:33:01 <benjaminsko> ... should not have pricing in there because that's too complicated. maybe publishers don't need that at all
... should not have pricing in there because that's too complicated. maybe publishers don't need that at all ←
15:33:59 <benjaminsko> luc: we have this possibility already. made available to bookstore or website to consumers. the right thing as publisher for me is to include metadata inside the epub file.
Luc Audrain: we have this possibility already. made available to bookstore or website to consumers. the right thing as publisher for me is to include metadata inside the epub file. ←
15:34:15 <benjaminsko> ....include an onix lite without pricing for reading systems to use it
....include an onix lite without pricing for reading systems to use it ←
15:34:26 <benjaminsko> ivan: having it there in a way that would be compatible with rest of schema.org
Ivan Herman: having it there in a way that would be compatible with rest of schema.org ←
15:34:30 <benjaminsko> Luc: agreed
Luc Audrain: agreed ←
15:34:53 <benjaminsko> mgylling: when you french guys say onix lite, do you just mean a better dublin core or retail metadata as well?
Markus Gylling: when you french guys say onix lite, do you just mean a better dublin core or retail metadata as well? ←
15:35:10 <benjaminsko> mgylling: in the epub
Markus Gylling: in the epub ←
15:35:21 <benjaminsko> Luc: both bibliographic and marketing
Luc Audrain: both bibliographic and marketing ←
15:36:01 <benjaminsko> ... often at the end of the print books, there are quotes, reviews, that would be put inside the epub itself, moved/transported/exported to onix, could be an html file that could be a new page of the book. but it would not be true metadata, just html
... often at the end of the print books, there are quotes, reviews, that would be put inside the epub itself, moved/transported/exported to onix, could be an html file that could be a new page of the book. but it would not be true metadata, just html ←
15:36:17 <benjaminsko> ... onix tags enable true metadata
... onix tags enable true metadata ←
15:36:26 <mgylling> ack TimCole
Markus Gylling: ack TimCole ←
15:36:32 <benjaminsko> ...through metadata tags not just div or span
...through metadata tags not just div or span ←
15:36:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:36:52 <benjaminsko> TimCole: comes back to last week's discussion. libraries often use 10% of onix to create bibliographic record
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Unknown TimCole: comes back to last week's discussion. libraries often use 10% of onix to create bibliographic record ←
15:37:50 <benjaminsko> ...other things we talked about is linking--pricing, structural--so we have to look at onix not at onix lite, but a new module or focus that is these are the elements we need to enhance discovery, possible to link to info that is dynamic
...other things we talked about is linking--pricing, structural--so we have to look at onix not at onix lite, but a new module or focus that is these are the elements we need to enhance discovery, possible to link to info that is dynamic ←
15:37:55 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:38:05 <benjaminsko> ...hopefully won't require new stuff, but selectivelty into RDFa or schema.org approaches
...hopefully won't require new stuff, but selectivelty into RDFa or schema.org approaches ←
15:38:17 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:38:25 <benjaminsko> ivan: it would be helpful for me if you luc wrote down yr vision of where the importance of this core work would be
Ivan Herman: it would be helpful for me if you luc wrote down yr vision of where the importance of this core work would be ←
15:38:35 <mgylling> ack Bill_
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_ ←
15:38:47 <benjaminsko> ...just email or wiki page
...just email or wiki page ←
15:39:59 <Luc> EDItEUR
Luc Audrain: EDItEUR ←
15:40:01 <Julie> q+
Julie Morris: q+ ←
15:40:03 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: there is another party that is crucial. that is EDItEUR they have a global focus, not only looking at this from english language or US POV, seeing it from asian, etc point of view, completely familiar with RDFa, etc
Bill Kasdorf: there is another party that is crucial. that is EDItEUR they have a global focus, not only looking at this from english language or US POV, seeing it from asian, etc point of view, completely familiar with RDFa, etc ←
15:40:25 <mgylling> ack Julie
Markus Gylling: ack Julie ←
15:40:43 <benjaminsko> Julie: we have reached out to graham to ask him to participate
Julie Morris: we have reached out to graham to ask him to participate ←
15:41:32 <benjaminsko> mgylling: to summarize, we are kinda sorta noting that there is possibly a use for web-enabled vocab for books that has roughly same scope as onix and should live on schema.org
Markus Gylling: to summarize, we are kinda sorta noting that there is possibly a use for web-enabled vocab for books that has roughly same scope as onix and should live on schema.org ←
15:42:09 <Zakim> -duga
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15:42:15 <benjaminsko> ..in order to ascertain that this is the case, we need to discuss more /stakeholders, not just graham and EDItOUR but also with BSIG so that would be first next step
..in order to ascertain that this is the case, we need to discuss more /stakeholders, not just graham and EDItEUR but also with BSIG so that would be first next step ←
15:42:33 <ivan> s/EDItOUR/EDItEUR/
15:43:11 <benjaminsko> ...next step would be modeling how would that look. but must make sure all stakeholders are at the table. as we know, schema.org already has book object. think it's great. it's richer than dublin core, with which epub is stuck with, horribly under-specificied, too weak for books
...next step would be modeling how would that look. but must make sure all stakeholders are at the table. as we know, schema.org already has book object. think it's great. it's richer than dublin core, with which epub is stuck with, horribly under-specificied, too weak for books ←
15:43:27 <benjaminsko> ...identify where dublin core needs greater specification
...identify where dublin core needs greater specification ←
15:43:56 <benjaminsko> ...action item is with chairs, and with julie and bill, to arrange necessary calls. figure out logistics offline
...action item is with chairs, and with julie and bill, to arrange necessary calls. figure out logistics offline ←
15:44:08 <liza> +1 everyone!
15:44:15 <benjaminsko> ..any final comments on metadata?
..any final comments on metadata? ←
15:44:55 <ivan> Topic: Content & Markup TF
15:45:01 <benjaminsko> ..topic 2. quite awhile ago and had the task forces define their current top level goals in order to get going in some of the slower groups. the content and markup group had action to focus on structural semantics--problems and use cases. that was delayed and that was my fault
..topic 2. quite awhile ago and had the task forces define their current top level goals in order to get going in some of the slower groups. the content and markup group had action to focus on structural semantics--problems and use cases. that was delayed and that was my fault ←
15:45:04 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics
Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics ←
15:45:36 <benjaminsko> ...today we are on our way with the wiki page with walkthrough of structural semantic inflection in open web platform. link in chat.
...today we are on our way with the wiki page with walkthrough of structural semantic inflection in open web platform. link in chat. ←
15:46:01 <benjaminsko> ...hopefully it is straightforward, broken into sections. first one is use cases, aiming one dozen use cases, not going for 100's.
...hopefully it is straightforward, broken into sections. first one is use cases, aiming one dozen use cases, not going for 100's. ←
15:46:52 <benjaminsko> ...many things publishers want to do is similar, so wanted bunch of core uses cases. use cases at the moment are divided into 3 categories: enhanced user behaviors based on clarity of metadata, glossaries, indices, ... footnotes, genericzed here to be about conditional exposure of optional content
...many things publishers want to do is similar, so wanted bunch of core uses cases. use cases at the moment are divided into 3 categories: enhanced user behaviors based on clarity of metadata, glossaries, indices, ... footnotes, genericzed here to be about conditional exposure of optional content ←
15:47:11 <liza> Everybody loves popups!!!
Liza Daly: Everybody loves popups!!! ←
15:47:14 <benjaminsko> ...second category is assistive technology: one about navigation, context, cues, ability (DAISY feature for audio reading)
...second category is assistive technology: one about navigation, context, cues, ability (DAISY feature for audio reading) ←
15:47:48 <benjaminsko> ..third is for re-purposing of content/re-mixing, a vast problem area to address. simple structural semantics would be surprised would get us more than 1/2 way there
..third is for re-purposing of content/re-mixing, a vast problem area to address. simple structural semantics would be surprised would get us more than 1/2 way there ←
15:48:04 <benjaminsko> ...feel free to propose add'l categories and use cases
...feel free to propose add'l categories and use cases ←
15:48:40 <benjaminsko> ...second part of page: we will be bringing in people from ARIA workging group and from (??) the html editor to understand which of the html5 attributes we should be using to do this...
...second part of page: we will be bringing in people from ARIA workging group and from (??) the html editor to understand which of the html5 attributes we should be using to do this... ←
15:49:14 <benjaminsko> ...beyond the use cases, understanding the scobe is this interest group can come up with recommendation to digital publishing including future epub specs which way to go
...beyond the use cases, understanding the scobe is this interest group can come up with recommendation to digital publishing including future epub specs which way to go ←
15:49:15 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:49:47 <benjaminsko> .... epub is usuing first of options, name space attribute, and there are several agencies(?) and good reasons for revising that. that's a quick run through of the document
.... epub is usuing first of options, name space attribute, and there are several agencies(?) and good reasons for revising that. that's a quick run through of the document ←
15:49:48 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:49:59 <liza> @epub:data-aria-role-type
Liza Daly: @epub:data-aria-role-type ←
15:50:29 <benjaminsko> ivan: several things: one-for use cases, there is a general use case-profile specification. as far as i know, it defines a specific profile and that must be marked up somehow
Ivan Herman: several things: one-for use cases, there is a general use case-profile specification. as far as i know, it defines a specific profile and that must be marked up somehow ←
15:50:42 <benjaminsko> mgylling: that is not structural semantics, that is publication semantics()?
Markus Gylling: that is not structural semantics, that is publication semantics()? ←
15:51:02 <benjaminsko> ivan: so that means within the content i would not have to mark up certain elements are playing a certain role?
Ivan Herman: so that means within the content i would not have to mark up certain elements are playing a certain role? ←
15:51:28 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what did you mean by profile? top level metadata
Markus Gylling: what did you mean by profile? top level metadata ←
15:52:02 <benjaminsko> Luc: for table, missing a column "suitability" whether usage of that specific construct is suitable for whatever we want to do
Luc Audrain: for table, missing a column "suitability" whether usage of that specific construct is suitable for whatever we want to do ←
15:52:21 <benjaminsko> ..e.g., data attribute series could be used, but is sort of against the text and spirit of html5 spec.
..e.g., data attribute series could be used, but is sort of against the text and spirit of html5 spec. ←
15:52:27 <benjaminsko> mgylling: html editors get angry whenever we ask
Markus Gylling: html editors get angry whenever we ask ←
15:52:55 <benjaminsko> mgylling: so we can add column to reflect wisdom of w3c editors themselves
Markus Gylling: so we can add column to reflect wisdom of w3c editors themselves ←
15:53:35 <benjaminsko> luc: look at row of custom elements. that would mean in terms of open web platform, use the web components, gives structured way of defining structured elements, make use of very small but existing scripting, and is that acceptable?
Ivan Herman: look at row of custom elements. that would mean in terms of open web platform, use the web components, gives structured way of defining structured elements, make use of very small but existing scripting, and is that acceptable? ←
15:53:43 <astearns> s/luc/ivan/
15:53:53 <benjaminsko> ivan: do we allow for scripting?
Ivan Herman: do we allow for scripting? ←
15:54:15 <benjaminsko> mgylling: the custom elements would be eligible to be prime candidate since it would be yes in all cells?
Markus Gylling: the custom elements would be eligible to be prime candidate since it would be yes in all cells? ←
15:54:30 <benjaminsko> ivan: maybe, but it has a drawback which is not in the table, which is scripting
Ivan Herman: maybe, but it has a drawback which is not in the table, which is scripting ←
15:55:11 <benjaminsko> mgylling: it falls under the weirdly named "static provisioning" vs dynamic provisioning. custom elemetns would be no under static provisioning. scripting is still 2d class citizen. disabled by many reading systems. is that true in the future?
Markus Gylling: it falls under the weirdly named "static provisioning" vs dynamic provisioning. custom elemetns would be no under static provisioning. scripting is still 2d class citizen. disabled by many reading systems. is that true in the future? ←
15:55:22 <benjaminsko> ... maybe scripting will be just as it is on the web
... maybe scripting will be just as it is on the web ←
15:55:38 <benjaminsko> ivan: at least somehow we can record that in the table
Ivan Herman: at least somehow we can record that in the table ←
15:56:17 <benjaminsko> mgylling: those who read through the use case collection have asked "why you haven't added ...."? gerardo are you here?
Markus Gylling: those who read through the use case collection have asked "why you haven't added ...."? gerardo are you here? ←
15:56:39 <benjaminsko> mgylling: do we have a good use case around infographics? typing SVG fragments
Markus Gylling: do we have a good use case around infographics? typing SVG fragments ←
15:57:21 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: this...would also extend into SVG. use cases that rich and i and others can be incorporated into this. we can link to that. didn't think you'd go into SVG itself
Gerardo Capiel: this...would also extend into SVG. use cases that rich and i and others can be incorporated into this. we can link to that. didn't think you'd go into SVG itself ←
15:57:53 <benjaminsko> mgylling: this is for open web content so not only html5, could be mathml as well. could you have a look and bring in something around complicated diagrams infographics, how it could be used in that area
Markus Gylling: this is for open web content so not only html5, could be mathml as well. could you have a look and bring in something around complicated diagrams infographics, how it could be used in that area ←
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15:58:23 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: other things ...big use for braille transcription. maybe have someone from that community to see if we have covered what we need. george would know some folks
Gerardo Capiel: other things ...big use for braille transcription. maybe have someone from that community to see if we have covered what we need. george would know some folks ←
15:58:54 <benjaminsko> ..folks from APA(?) would know that well. also Bert Bos.
..folks from APH(?) would know that well. also Bert Bos. ←
15:59:09 <tzviya> s/APA/APH
15:59:14 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: thinking of the person who has been working..
Gerardo Capiel: thinking of the person who has been working.. ←
15:59:26 <tzviya> q+
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15:59:30 <murakami> O'Reilly's HTMLBook will be a good use case of structural semantics http://oreillymedia.github.io/HTMLBook/
Shinyu Murakami: O'Reilly's HTMLBook will be a good use case of structural semantics http://oreillymedia.github.io/HTMLBook/ ←
15:59:46 <astearns> Bert Frees?
Alan Stearns: Bert Frees? ←
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16:00:52 <benjaminsko> someone please take over scribing. conf not letting me back in
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16:01:14 <tzviya> me: thanks, ben!
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16:01:17 <dauwhe> mgylling: thanks to Ben for scribing!
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16:01:35 <dauwhe> ... thanks everyone. Goodbye!
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16:01:40 <Zakim> -Ivan
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16:01:40 <Zakim> -david_stroup
Zakim IRC Bot: -david_stroup ←
16:01:41 <Zakim> -Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: -Stearns ←
16:01:41 <Zakim> -AH_Miller
Zakim IRC Bot: -AH_Miller ←
16:01:43 <Zakim> -Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: -Liam ←
16:01:43 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
16:01:44 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
16:01:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
16:01:56 <Zakim> -murakami
Zakim IRC Bot: -murakami ←
16:02:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see dauwhe, [GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dauwhe, [GVoice] ←
16:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, pbelfanti_, Bert, karen, murakami, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SuzanneT, pbelfanti_, Bert, karen, murakami, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss ←
16:02:41 <Zakim> -dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe ←
16:02:56 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see [GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [GVoice] ←
16:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, pbelfanti_, Bert, karen, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SuzanneT, pbelfanti_, Bert, karen, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss ←
16:03:05 <ivan> zakim, drop GVoice
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop GVoice ←
16:03:05 <Zakim> [GVoice] is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: [GVoice] is being disconnected ←
16:03:06 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, +1.240.421.aaaa, Ivan, dauwhe, mgylling, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, AH_Miller, Stearns, Karen_Myers, +1.585.708.aabb,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, +1.240.421.aaaa, Ivan, dauwhe, mgylling, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, AH_Miller, Stearns, Karen_Myers, +1.585.708.aabb, ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> ... +1.212.965.aacc, david_stroup, [IPcaller], Bert, gcapiel, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Luc, +1.201.783.aadd, pbelfanti, Laura_Fowler, Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.212.965.aacc, david_stroup, [IPcaller], Bert, gcapiel, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Luc, +1.201.783.aadd, pbelfanti, Laura_Fowler, Liam ←
16:03:20 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:03:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
16:03:28 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:03:28 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:03:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:03:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:03:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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