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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 04 November 2013

Present
Tzviya Siegman, Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Brady Duga, Markus Gylling, Peter Linss, Madi Solomon, Bert Bos, Ben Ko, Robert Sanderson, Frederick Hirsch, Vladimir Levantovsky, Gerardo Capiel
Guests
Liza Daly (Pearson), Karen Myers (W3C), Richard Schwerdtfeger (IBM)
Regrets
Jean Kaplansky, Bill Kasdorf
Scribe
Tzviya Siegman, Markus Gylling
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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<ivan> Present: tzviya, dauwhe, ivan, brady, mgylling, plinss, madi, bert, benjaminsko, azaroth, fjh, vlad, gcapiel
15:16:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

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15:16:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 44 minutes

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15:16:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:16:57 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2013
15:53:30 <azaroth> Morning all :)

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Robert Sanderson: Morning all :)

15:56:52 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started

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15:56:58 <Zakim> +Tzviya

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15:57:18 <Zakim> +dauwhe

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15:59:20 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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15:59:20 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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15:59:22 <Zakim> +Ivan

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15:59:40 <Zakim> +duga

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15:59:50 <Zakim> +mgylling

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16:00:10 <Zakim> + +1.617.453.aabb

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16:00:23 <Zakim> +plinss

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16:01:15 <Zakim> +madi

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16:01:17 <mgylling> regrets: Laura Fowler, Jean Kaplansky, Suzanne Taylor, Bill Kasdorf
16:01:23 <Zakim> + +1.503.887.aacc

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16:01:41 <Zakim> +Bert

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16:01:47 <lizadaly> I'm on the call

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16:02:08 <dauwhe> zakim, aaaa is benjaminsko

Dave Cramer: zakim, aaaa is benjaminsko

16:02:08 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it

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16:02:12 <Zakim> +??P15

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16:02:28 <Zakim> +azaroth

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16:02:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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16:02:42 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

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16:02:47 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

16:02:47 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

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16:02:57 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

16:03:25 <ivan> zakim, aabb is lizadaly

Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is lizadaly

16:03:25 <Zakim> +lizadaly; got it

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16:04:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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16:04:01 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Sharad

Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Sharad

16:04:01 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it

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16:04:01 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, dauwhe, Ivan, duga, mgylling, benjaminsko, lizadaly, plinss, madi, Sharad, Bert, ??P15, azaroth, fjh, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tzviya, dauwhe, Ivan, duga, mgylling, benjaminsko, lizadaly, plinss, madi, Sharad, Bert, ??P15, azaroth, fjh, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller]

16:04:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, Vlad, Bert, karen, benjaminsko, lizadaly, Sharad, brady_duga, tzviya, madi, azaroth, fjh, mgylling, astearns, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe, liam, trackbot,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, Vlad, Bert, karen, benjaminsko, lizadaly, Sharad, brady_duga, tzviya, madi, azaroth, fjh, mgylling, astearns, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe, liam, trackbot,

16:04:05 <Zakim> ... plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: ... plinss

16:04:33 <Vlad> that was me

Vladimir Levantovsky: that was me

16:04:46 <Vlad> zakim, IPcaller is me

Vladimir Levantovsky: zakim, IPcaller is me

16:04:46 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it

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16:05:11 <ivan> zakim, ??p15 is gcapiel

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??p15 is gcapiel

16:05:11 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it

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16:05:36 <tzviya> scribe: Tzviya

(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)

16:05:58 <tzviya> Markus: topic: CSS3 text and agenda for TPAC

Markus Gylling: topic: CSS3 text and agenda for TPAC

16:06:16 <tzviya> .topic last week's minutes

1. last week's minutes

16:06:20 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-28

Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-28

16:06:32 <ivan> s/.topic/topic:/
16:06:39 <tzviya> markus: approved

Markus Gylling: approved

16:06:54 <tzviya> ...topic: 2 new members

...topic: 2 new members

16:06:54 <ivan> Topic: two new members

2. two new members

16:07:29 <tzviya> Liza: VP of engineering at safari books online

Liza Daly: VP of engineering at safari books online

16:07:42 <tzviya> ...involved in EPUB from beginning

...involved in EPUB from beginning

16:08:20 <tzviya> ben: BEn ko, know @dauwhe and involved in pub and pub consulting for many years

Ben Ko: Ben Ko, know @dauwhe and involved in pub and pub consulting for many years

16:08:37 <tzviya> markus: many task forces involved in areas related to your areas

Markus Gylling: many task forces involved in areas related to your areas

16:08:47 <dauwhe> s/BEn ko/Ben Ko/
16:08:56 <tzviya> ...pagination will be of interest to ben, especially

...pagination will be of interest to ben, especially

16:09:15 <tzviya> ...we will try to schedule meetings at times of day when US/Europe can call in

...we will try to schedule meetings at times of day when US/Europe can call in

16:09:42 <tzviya> ...Gerardo has been a guest, but is now here to stay

...Gerardo has been a guest, but is now here to stay

16:10:10 <tzviya> Gerardo: will be at TPAC as well. Runs engineering at benetech

Gerardo Capiel: will be at TPAC as well. Runs engineering at benetech

16:10:46 <tzviya> ...runs DIAGRAM with NCAM, more cost effective production for image descriptions, math, etc

...runs DIAGRAM with NCAM, more cost effective production for image descriptions, math, etc

16:11:01 <ivan> Topic: Comments on CSS Text

3. Comments on CSS Text

16:11:15 <tzviya> Markus: received review of CSS3 text. Brady, Jean, and Dave reviewed. Due on 6 nov

Markus Gylling: received review of CSS3 text. Brady, Jean, and Dave reviewed. Due on 6 nov

16:11:24 <tzviya> ...must get together by tomorrow

...must get together by tomorrow

16:11:58 <tzviya> Brady: finished review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0074.html

Brady Duga: finished review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0074.html

16:12:05 <tzviya> ,,,received no comments

,,,received no comments

16:12:13 <tzviya> s,,,/...

s,,,/...

16:12:26 <tzviya> markus: comments from others?

Markus Gylling: comments from others?

16:12:36 <tzviya> Dave: will get to today

Dave Cramer: will get to today

16:12:48 <ivan> Regrets: Jean, Bill
16:12:52 <tzviya> Ivan: jean sent her regrets

Ivan Herman: jean sent her regrets

16:13:15 <tzviya> Markus: please supply comments by end of day today so we can assemble comments tomorrow

Markus Gylling: please supply comments by end of day today so we can assemble comments tomorrow

16:13:51 <tzviya> ivan: just sent email to CSS WG, not overly formal

Ivan Herman: just sent email to CSS WG, not overly formal

16:13:59 <tzviya> Markus: I will send email

Markus Gylling: I will send email

16:14:21 <tzviya> ...any other comments on CSS text?

...any other comments on CSS text?

16:14:33 <ivan> Topic: Agenda for TPAC

4. Agenda for TPAC

16:14:44 <tzviya> markus: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2013_Agenda

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2013_Agenda

16:15:21 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC-F2F

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC-F2F

16:16:12 <tzviya> Markus: there is a list of subjects and who will join

Markus Gylling: there is a list of subjects and who will join

16:16:51 <tzviya> ...for people who want to call, we want to make sure that the time in china works

...for people who want to call, we want to make sure that the time in china works

16:17:05 <tzviya> .,,who wants to call in?

...who wants to call in?

16:17:23 <ivan> s/.,,/.../
16:17:35 <tzviya> madi: I will call in when I am awake

Madi Solomon: I will call in when I am awake

16:17:48 <tzviya> fjh: I would like to call in for security

Frederick Hirsch: I would like to call in for security

16:18:33 <tzviya> Ben: I would like to call in for pagination

Ben Ko: I would like to call in for pagination

16:18:44 <fjh> security scheduled for 11 pm Tuesday Shenzhen, I think that is 10 pm ET on Monday

Frederick Hirsch: security scheduled for 11 am Tuesday Shenzhen, I think that is 10 am ET on Monday

16:18:50 <fjh> s/pm/am/
16:19:17 <tzviya> ivan: there is a 12 hour difference between Shenzhen and EST

Ivan Herman: there is a 12 hour difference between Shenzhen and EST

16:20:02 <tzviya> markus: pagination and behavioral adaption are a given

Markus Gylling: pagination and behavioral adaption are a given

16:20:17 <tzviya> ...tuesday afternoon is up for discussion

...tuesday afternoon is up for discussion

16:20:41 <tzviya> ...infographics may be a topic

...infographics may be a topic

16:21:08 <tzviya> gerardo: could discuss image descriptions and a11y, materials from EDUPUB

Gerardo Capiel: could discuss image descriptions and a11y, materials from EDUPUB

16:21:26 <tzviya> Markus: have not discussed packaging and distribution at all yet

Markus Gylling: have not discussed packaging and distribution at all yet

16:21:50 <tzviya> ...what else would people like to hear discussed?

...what else would people like to hear discussed?

16:22:26 <tzviya> ...many observers at these sessions

...many observers at these sessions

16:22:34 <tzviya> q+

q+

16:23:07 <mgylling> ack Tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya

16:24:00 <tzviya> tzviya: I would be interested in joining a11y discussion if possible, but it would be difficult to do late night and early morning

Tzviya Siegman: I would be interested in joining a11y discussion if possible, but it would be difficult to do late night and early morning

16:24:10 <lizadaly> Apologies, my office phone rebooted for no reason; will rejoin when it's back up

Liza Daly: Apologies, my office phone rebooted for no reason; will rejoin when it's back up

16:25:24 <Zakim> +lizadaly.a

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16:25:24 <tzviya> ivan: Suzanne is in Eastern time as well, so early afternoon does not work for her either

Ivan Herman: Suzanne is in Eastern time as well, so early afternoon does not work for her either

16:25:35 <lizadaly> I'm back

Liza Daly: I'm back

16:26:02 <tzviya> markus: we could switch security and a11y

Markus Gylling: we could switch security and a11y

16:27:28 <tzviya> gerardo: I could speak with suzanne before TPAC to make sure her list is coeverd

Gerardo Capiel: I could speak with suzanne before TPAC to make sure her list is coeverd

16:27:37 <tzviya> markus: then, we do not adjust the agenda

Markus Gylling: then, we do not adjust the agenda

16:28:11 <tzviya> ...we will have local scribes. Please consider scribing.

...we will have local scribes. Please consider scribing.

16:28:17 <tzviya> ...any questions?

...any questions?

16:28:34 <ivan> Topic: task forces

5. task forces

16:28:36 <tzviya> no additional topics for agenda

no additional topics for agenda

16:28:56 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling

(Scribe set to Markus Gylling)

16:29:09 <mgylling> Tzviya: had trouble with the wiki over the weekend

Tzviya Siegman: had trouble with the wiki over the weekend

16:29:32 <mgylling> Tzviya: have started putting together UC on structural semantics (indexes , dictionaries, books)

Tzviya Siegman: have started putting together UC on structural semantics (indexes , dictionaries, books)

16:30:00 <Zakim> -duga

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16:30:31 <Zakim> +duga

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16:30:56 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:31:02 <mgylling> ack Ivan

ack Ivan

16:31:23 <mgylling> Markus: Tzviya, are you covering behavioural expectations for these?

Markus Gylling: Tzviya, are you covering behavioural expectations for these?

16:31:37 <mgylling> Tzviya: for most of them

Tzviya Siegman: for most of them

16:32:06 <mgylling> Ivan: what kind of identification is universally accepted?

Ivan Herman: what kind of identification is universally accepted?

16:32:30 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

16:32:39 <mgylling> Tzviya: At publicationlevel, ISBN is mostly accepted, but not used as identifier in the way the URIs are used, more used for tracking than linking. In journals, we have DOI as generally accepted.

Tzviya Siegman: At the publication level, ISBN is mostly accepted, but not used as identifier in the way the URIs are used, more used for tracking than linking. In journals, we have DOI as generally accepted.

16:34:54 <mgylling> s/publicationlevel/the publication level
16:34:59 <mgylling> ack azaroth

ack azaroth

16:35:01 <ivan> ack azaroth

Ivan Herman: ack azaroth

16:35:05 <tzviya> gerardo: doesn't this have implications for OA? and a11y?

Gerardo Capiel: doesn't this have implications for OA? and a11y? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:35:09 <mgylling> Rob: ISBNs are not necessarily unique

Robert Sanderson: ISBNs are not necessarily unique

16:35:13 <tzviya> markus: yes

Markus Gylling: yes [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:35:56 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

16:36:03 <mgylling> ack fjh

ack fjh

16:36:21 <tzviya> ivan: which organization can take the responsibility for UID?

Ivan Herman: which organization can take the responsibility for UID? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:36:46 <mgylling> fjh: scalability; URIs vs ISBNs

Frederick Hirsch: scalability; URIs vs ISBNs

16:36:57 <tzviya> fjh: does it makes sense/is it scalable for dynamic content to use the same type of ID as print?

Frederick Hirsch: does it makes sense/is it scalable for dynamic content to use the same type of ID as print? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:37:13 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich_Schwerdtfeger

16:37:40 <tzviya> marus: EPUB combines UID such as ISBN with time stamp so can differentiate incremental changes

Markus Gylling: EPUB combines UID such as ISBN with time stamp so can differentiate incremental changes [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:37:51 <tzviya> s/marus/markus
16:38:09 <tzviya> markus: welcome to rich

Markus Gylling: welcome to rich [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:38:16 <fjh> thanks for the explanation marcus, that means the ISBN serves the role of identifying the core work, yet no need to assign new ISBNs for each possibly frequent revision

Frederick Hirsch: thanks for the explanation marcus, that means the ISBN serves the role of identifying the core work, yet no need to assign new ISBNs for each possibly frequent revision

16:38:26 <fjh> great

Frederick Hirsch: great

16:38:38 <tzviya> richardschwerdtfeger: CTO for accessibility for IBM software. focus on ARIA

Richard Schwerdtfeger: CTO for accessibility for IBM software. focus on ARIA [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:38:44 <fjh> I assume this includes variants

Frederick Hirsch: I assume this includes variants

16:38:49 <lizadaly> ISBN identifies the publication, not the work

Liza Daly: ISBN identifies the publication, not the work

16:39:15 <lizadaly> and a new ISBN would be assigned for a new print revision

Liza Daly: and a new ISBN would be assigned for a new print revision

16:39:28 <lizadaly> but probably not for a minor ebook revision

Liza Daly: but probably not for a minor ebook revision

16:41:04 <tzviya> markus: does the identifier end up in Bill's taskforce?

Markus Gylling: does the identifier end up in Bill's taskforce? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:41:24 <tzviya> tzviya: yes, it is a metadata issue, but I will point to it

Tzviya Siegman: yes, it is a metadata issue, but I will point to it [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:41:41 <tzviya> ivan: identifiers crosses many groups

Ivan Herman: identifiers crosses many groups [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:42:36 <tzviya> markus: there is another area - behavioral indicators such as books that go into the ibookstore that have specific controls

Markus Gylling: there is another area - behavioral indicators such as books that go into the ibookstore that have specific controls [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:43:02 <tzviya> ...would it make sense to collect these behaviors?

Tzviya Siegman: ...would it make sense to collect these behaviors?

16:43:05 <Zakim> -Sharad

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad

16:43:06 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg

16:43:21 <tzviya> tzviya: I would appreciate examples from others

Tzviya Siegman: I would appreciate examples from others [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:43:50 <tzviya> markus: start with what you know, others will see and provide additional examples

Markus Gylling: start with what you know, others will see and provide additional examples [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:44:18 <tzviya> topic: pagination

6. pagination

16:44:24 <azaroth> +1 to Ivan's idenitfier meeting, either virtual or physical

Robert Sanderson: +1 to Ivan's idenitfier meeting, either virtual or physical

16:44:32 <tzviya> markus: status update from Dave

Markus Gylling: status update from Dave [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:44:46 <tzviya> dave: not a lot of change in the last week

Dave Cramer: not a lot of change in the last week [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:45:10 <tzviya> ...made some changes, just updates re: punctuation, spacing

Tzviya Siegman: ...made some changes, just updates re: punctuation, spacing

16:45:20 <tzviya> markus: what are we calling this?

Markus Gylling: what are we calling this? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:45:42 <tzviya> dave: this is just descriptive. These are things we do in terms of laying out content

Dave Cramer: this is just descriptive. These are things we do in terms of laying out content [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:46:08 <tzviya> ...we are trying to achieve X effects

Tzviya Siegman: ...we are trying to achieve X effects

16:46:23 <tzviya> markus: with luck, CSS WG will help us

Markus Gylling: with luck, CSS WG will help us [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:46:50 <tzviya> ...are there particular topics to focus on in f2f?

Tzviya Siegman: ...are there particular topics to focus on in f2f?

16:47:19 <tzviya> dave: scope. How do we approach multiple languages? traditions?

Dave Cramer: scope. How do we approach multiple languages? traditions? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:47:35 <tzviya> ...what large features do we want to cover? I know trade and some ed

Tzviya Siegman: ...what large features do we want to cover? I know trade and some ed

16:47:47 <tzviya> ...not much from STEM and journals

Tzviya Siegman: ...not much from STEM and journals

16:48:02 <tzviya> ....I'd like to flesh out the outline and examples

Tzviya Siegman: ....I'd like to flesh out the outline and examples

16:48:24 <tzviya> ...relationship with CSS and other groups

Tzviya Siegman: ...relationship with CSS and other groups

16:49:20 <tzviya> markus: another question beyond the document is the relationship between the document and the use cases

Markus Gylling: another question beyond the document is the relationship between the document and the use cases [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:49:32 <tzviya> ...do we connect these 2? is it worth it?

Tzviya Siegman: ...do we connect these 2? is it worth it?

16:50:03 <tzviya> ...Dave's document would need to be well-featured in it's covered

Tzviya Siegman: ...Dave's document would need to be well-featured in it's covered

16:50:17 <tzviya> ...how does Ben's activity come in?

Tzviya Siegman: ...how does Ben's activity come in?

16:50:38 <tzviya> Dave: ben has experience in Higher Ed and automation. We will have side conversation

Dave Cramer: ben has experience in Higher Ed and automation. We will have side conversation [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:51:13 <tzviya> Markus: at edupub we saw a number of demos of EPUB in HE platforms

Markus Gylling: at edupub we saw a number of demos of EPUB in HE platforms [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:51:33 <tzviya> ...many abandoned pagination in favor of scrolling

Tzviya Siegman: ...many abandoned pagination in favor of scrolling

16:52:05 <tzviya> ...in terms of scope, maybe we could focus on STEM to try to complete the discussion

Tzviya Siegman: ...in terms of scope, maybe we could focus on STEM to try to complete the discussion

16:52:15 <tzviya> ...questions?

Tzviya Siegman: ...questions?

16:52:45 <tzviya> ...we can't to status update on a11y without suzanne

Tzviya Siegman: ...we can't to status update on a11y without suzanne

16:52:59 <tzviya> ...Rob, anything on annotations?

Tzviya Siegman: ...Rob, anything on annotations?

16:53:08 <tzviya> Rob: I haven't added any use cases

Robert Sanderson: I haven't added any use cases [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:53:33 <tzviya> Ivan: will we try at the end to combine the use cases the way that dave did with pagination?

Ivan Herman: will we try at the end to combine the use cases the way that dave did with pagination? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:53:44 <tzviya> markus: this is the connecting discussion

Markus Gylling: this is the connecting discussion [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:54:34 <tzviya> ...the point is that there is so much tradition and terminology that we need a primer like Dave

Tzviya Siegman: ...the point is that there is so much tradition and terminology that we need a primer like Dave

16:54:40 <tzviya> ...'s

Tzviya Siegman: ...'s

16:55:08 <tzviya> ...We might not need something similar for the other areas. We might need more pedagogics for areas like annotations

Tzviya Siegman: ...We might not need something similar for the other areas. We might need more pedagogics for areas like annotations

16:55:28 <tzviya> ...at some point we will leave the wiki and assemble these into more formal documents

Tzviya Siegman: ...at some point we will leave the wiki and assemble these into more formal documents

16:55:55 <tzviya> ...Once Robin has added his material, and we've assessed the cases, we can create the documents

Tzviya Siegman: ...Once Rob has added his material, and we've assessed the cases, we can create the documents

16:56:04 <tzviya> ivan: OK

Ivan Herman: OK [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:56:07 <ivan> s/Robin/Rob/
16:56:33 <mgylling> q?

q?

16:56:36 <tzviya> markus: we can end a little early

Markus Gylling: we can end a little early [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

16:57:18 <tzviya> markus: the final agenda will be what is on the wiki page

Markus Gylling: the final agenda will be what is on the wiki page [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

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16:57:43 <lizadaly> Thank you!

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17:06:26 <Zakim> -Ivan

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17:06:32 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

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17:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see lizadaly

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17:06:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, Bert, karen, tzviya, azaroth, mgylling, astearns, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe, liam, trackbot, plinss

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17:06:43 <ivan> zakim, drop lizadaly

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop lizadaly

17:06:44 <Zakim> lizadaly is being disconnected

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17:06:45 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

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17:06:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, dauwhe, Ivan, duga, mgylling, +1.917.447.aaaa, +1.617.453.aabb, plinss, madi, +1.503.887.aacc, Bert, benjaminsko, azaroth, Karen_Myers, fjh, lizadaly,

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17:06:45 <Zakim> ... Sharad, Vlad, gcapiel, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Sharad_Garg

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sharad, Vlad, gcapiel, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Sharad_Garg



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