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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 October 2013

Present
Bert Bos, Bill Kasdorf, Dave Cramer, Frederick Hirsch, Gerardo Capiel, Ivan Herman, Jean Kaplansky, Laura Fowler, Madi Solomon, Robert Sanderson, Sharad Garg, Suzanne Taylor, Tzviya Siegman
Regrets
Markus Gylling, Vladimir Levantovsky, Brady Duga
Chair
Madi Solomon
Scribe
Tzviya Siegman
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. topics for TPAC: (1) Pagination, Dave (2) Infographics, but chair is needed (3) font/typography, Vlad (4) Behavioral adaption, Tzviya (5) Security, Sharad link
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<ivan> Present: bert, bill_kasdorf, dave cramer, frederick hirsch, gerardo capiel, ivan herman, jean kaplansky, laura fowler, madi solomon, robert sanderson, sharad garg, suzanne taylor, tzviya siegman
14:00:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:00:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

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14:00:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:00:56 <trackbot> Date: 28 October 2013
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14:55:06 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0045.html

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Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0045.html

14:55:15 <ivan> Chair: Madi
14:55:35 <ivan> regrets: Markus, Vladimir, Brady
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14:58:34 <Zakim> +madi

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14:58:52 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aabb

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14:58:57 <Zakim> +Tzviya

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14:59:01 <azaroth> Zakim, aabb is azaroth

Robert Sanderson: Zakim, aabb is azaroth

14:59:01 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

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14:59:11 <ivan> zakim, code?

Ivan Herman: zakim, code?

14:59:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

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14:59:19 <Zakim> +BillKasdorf

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14:59:25 <Zakim> + +1.415.577.aacc

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14:59:34 <Zakim> +Ivan

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14:59:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:59:44 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:59:44 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

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15:00:08 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya

(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)

15:00:31 <tzviya> aacc is gcapiel

aacc is gcapiel

15:00:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh

15:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss

15:00:39 <ivan> zakim, aacc is gcapiel

Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is gcapiel

15:00:39 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it

15:01:23 <tzviya> zakim, aaaa is jean kaplansky

zakim, aaaa is jean kaplansky

15:01:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is jean kaplansky', tzviya

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15:01:53 <Zakim> +dauwhe

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15:01:57 <fjh> zakim, aaa is jean_kaplansky

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, aaa is jean_kaplansky

15:01:57 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

15:02:08 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is jean_kaplansky

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, aaaa is jean_kaplansky

15:02:08 <Zakim> +jean_kaplansky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jean_kaplansky; got it

15:02:14 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is jean

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is jean

15:02:14 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:02:15 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see jean_kaplansky, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, gcapiel (muted), Ivan, fjh, dauwhe

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jean_kaplansky, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, gcapiel (muted), Ivan, fjh, dauwhe

15:02:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see dauwhe, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dauwhe, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss

15:02:42 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aadd

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15:03:05 <Zakim> -gcapiel

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15:03:14 <Zakim> +gcapiel

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15:03:28 <ivan> zakim, aadd is laura

Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is laura

15:03:28 <Zakim> +laura; got it

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15:04:12 <Zakim> +Bert

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15:04:15 <tzviya> madi opens the meeting

madi opens the meeting

15:04:30 <ivan> topic: intro, admin

1. intro, admin

15:04:39 <tzviya> approval of last week's minutes

approval of last week's minutes

15:04:47 <tzviya> ...https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-21

...https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-21

15:04:51 <tzviya> approved

approved

15:04:53 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg

15:04:55 <tzviya> next item

next item

15:04:58 <ivan> topic: new members?

2. new members?

15:05:04 <tzviya> madi: new members

Madi Solomon: new members

15:05:13 <tzviya> laura fowler

laura fowler

15:05:51 <tzviya> Laura: work in enterprise architecture at educational testing serice

Laura Fowler: work in enterprise architecture at educational testing serice

15:06:02 <tzviya> ...with mark haaden and others

...with mark hakkinen and others

15:06:12 <Zakim> -gcapiel

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15:06:15 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor

Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor

15:06:16 <tzviya> madi: ETS is already a member of W3C

Madi Solomon: ETS is already a member of W3C

15:06:24 <ivan> s/haaden/hakkinen/
15:06:25 <tzviya> ..other new members?

..other new members?

15:06:33 <tzviya> thank, ivan

thank, ivan

15:06:44 <ivan> Topic: new use cases

3. new use cases

15:07:19 <tzviya> madi: bert sent update from MathML WG, please summarize

Madi Solomon: bert sent update from MathML WG, please summarize

15:07:37 <tzviya> Bert: was a UC about interactive use of mathematics

Bert Bos: was a UC about interactive use of mathematics

15:07:55 <Zakim> +gcapiel

Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel

15:08:05 <tzviya> ...MathML WG started writing note about interactivity, example: fill-in blank in math

...MathML WG started writing note about interactivity, example: fill-in blank in math

15:08:18 <tzviya> ...this was a note that never got published

...this was a note that never got published

15:08:31 <tzviya> ...added to the comments of the use case

...added to the comments of the use case

15:08:40 <tzviya> ...uses <input> from HTML in MathML

...uses <input> from HTML in MathML

15:08:57 <Zakim> -gcapiel

Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel

15:08:58 <tzviya> ...if anyone wants to follow up, happy to discuss

...if anyone wants to follow up, happy to discuss

15:09:03 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:09:25 <tzviya> bert: see note in http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2

Bert Bos: see note in http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2

15:09:39 <tzviya> suzanne: new use case for a11y

Suzanne Taylor: new use case for a11y

15:09:45 <tzviya> ...mirroring resources

...mirroring resources

15:10:33 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mirror_Sources_UC

Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mirror_Sources_UC

15:10:38 <tzviya> ...important for accessible resource to match opther resources

...important for accessible resource to match opther resources

15:10:47 <tzviya> ...simple example is pagination

...simple example is pagination

15:11:14 <Zakim> +gcapiel

Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel

15:11:19 <tzviya> ...audio transcripts have a similar issue

...audio transcripts have a similar issue

15:11:41 <tzviya> student must know which transcript s/he is responsible to study

student must know which transcript s/he is responsible to study

15:11:56 <Zakim> -gcapiel

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15:11:57 <tzviya> ...this extends to markup as well

...this extends to markup as well

15:12:18 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:12:38 <tzviya> ...if a resource is a bullet list in resource, must be bullet list in both, not alpha list in one and bullet list in another

...if a resource is a bullet list in resource, must be bullet list in both, not alpha list in one and bullet list in another

15:12:42 <tzviya> q+

q+

15:12:50 <ivan> ack tzviya

Ivan Herman: ack tzviya

15:13:16 <tzviya> tzviya" this will overlap the behavioral adaptive content group

Tzviya Siegman: this will overlap the behavioral adaptive content group

15:13:33 <ivan> s/"/:/
15:13:39 <tzviya> madi: suzanne spoke about timed tests, anything to add?

Madi Solomon: suzanne spoke about timed tests, anything to add?

15:14:04 <Zakim> +gcapiel

Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel

15:14:18 <tzviya> suzanne: not now, but laura may have something to add once she reads

Suzanne Taylor: not now, but laura may have something to add once she reads

15:14:21 <tzviya> q-

q-

15:14:44 <ivan> Topic: tpac agenda topics

4. tpac agenda topics

15:15:11 <tzviya> madi: logistics for TPAC should be settled by now

Madi Solomon: logistics for TPAC should be settled by now

15:15:23 <tzviya> ...posted informal list by now

...posted informal list by now

15:15:38 <tzviya> ..one topic not on list was pagination, but that will be discussed

..one topic not on list was pagination, but that will be discussed

15:16:08 <tzviya> ...pagination is on the agenda

...pagination is on the agenda

15:16:36 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:17:38 <tzviya> ,,,fonts and typography potential agenda item, but need to discuss with ???

...fonts and typography potential agenda item, but need to discuss with ???

15:18:05 <tzviya> s/,,,/...
15:18:07 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:18:37 <tzviya> madi: inforgraphics is a topic that was suggested by Tzviya

Madi Solomon: inforgraphics is a topic that was suggested by Tzviya

15:18:52 <tzviya> tzviya: this is not a topic I am qualified to lead

Tzviya Siegman: this is not a topic I am qualified to lead

15:19:52 <tzviya> madi: behavioral adaptive content is another topic

Madi Solomon: behavioral adaptive content is another topic

15:20:49 <tzviya> tzviya: this is a topic to discuss, but I will not be at TPAC and was not able to work on this much last week (no computer)

Tzviya Siegman: this is a topic to discuss, but I will not be at TPAC and was not able to work on this much last week (no computer)

15:20:54 <dauwhe> q+

Dave Cramer: q+

15:21:07 <tzviya> ...will call in to as much of TPAC as I can

...will call in to as much of TPAC as I can

15:21:22 <tzviya> Ivan: let me and markus know what availability is

Ivan Herman: let me and markus know what availability is

15:21:47 <ivan> ack dauwhe

Ivan Herman: ack dauwhe

15:22:03 <tzviya> BillK: typogaphy overlaps a lot with pagination and we may want to combine the two

Bill Kasdorf: typogaphy overlaps a lot with pagination and we may want to combine the two

15:22:15 <dauwhe> q-

Dave Cramer: q-

15:22:17 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:22:19 <tzviya> dauwhe: keeping an open mind about what pagination means

Dave Cramer: keeping an open mind about what pagination means

15:22:49 <tzviya> ivan: is it correct that some of the issues are more related to HTML than CSS?

Ivan Herman: is it correct that some of the issues are more related to HTML than CSS?

15:22:53 <tzviya> tzviya: yes

Tzviya Siegman: yes

15:23:33 <tzviya> Ivan: we are trying to get reps from CSS so once we have your schedule we will try to synchronize with them

Ivan Herman: we are trying to get reps from CSS so once we have your schedule we will try to synchronize with them

15:23:47 <tzviya> madi: another topic is security. sharad?

Madi Solomon: another topic is security. sharad?

15:24:04 <tzviya> sharad: what would the group like to see? this will help to prepare

Sharad Garg: what would the group like to see? this will help to prepare

15:24:13 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

15:24:31 <tzviya> ...I have experience and I will prepare based on expectations and requirements

...I have experience and I will prepare based on expectations and requirements

15:24:39 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:25:16 <tzviya> ivan: discussion over last few days has shown that once someone provokes email discussion, the list wakes up

Ivan Herman: discussion over last few days has shown that once someone provokes email discussion, the list wakes up

15:25:54 <tzviya> sharad:  I will send a list of question related to ebooks and content distribution

Sharad Garg: I will send a list of question related to ebooks and content distribution

15:26:08 <tzviya> ..is it possible to talk to ivan off line as well?

..is it possible to talk to ivan off line as well?

15:26:17 <tzviya> ivan: yes, but not today

Ivan Herman: yes, but not today

15:26:18 <ivan> ack fjh

Ivan Herman: ack fjh

15:26:37 <tzviya> sharad: this may not take 3 hours

Sharad Garg: this may not take 3 hours

15:27:11 <tzviya> fjh: what is specific to ebooks vs HTML5? what is offline?

Frederick Hirsch: what is specific to ebooks vs HTML5? Are there any specific security concerns related to offline operation??

15:27:18 <tzviya> Sharad: this will be addressed

Sharad Garg: this will be addressed

15:27:45 <fjh> s/what is offline/Are there any specific security concerns related to offline operation?/
15:28:02 <fjh> what should we consider behind same origin policies?

Frederick Hirsch: what should we consider beyond same origin policies?

15:28:07 <fjh> s/behind/beyond/
15:28:12 <tzviya> madi: question for ivan, should we explore discussions from list at TPAC?

Madi Solomon: question for ivan, should we explore discussions from list at TPAC?

15:28:18 <fjh> q?

Frederick Hirsch: q?

15:28:19 <tzviya> ...such as spacing issue

...such as spacing issue

15:28:36 <tzviya> ivan: this is in some sense a typographic issue

Ivan Herman: this is in some sense a typographic issue

15:28:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:28:44 <dauwhe> q+

Dave Cramer: q+

15:28:58 <tzviya> ...we can pick them up in task forces and see where they go

...we can pick them up in task forces and see where they go

15:29:13 <ivan>  ack Bill_Kasdorf

Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:29:30 <tzviya> billK: one observation: the most salient issue that came out of that discussion is the cultural differences

Bill Kasdorf: one observation: the most salient issue that came out of that discussion is the cultural differences

15:29:56 <tzviya> ...not just language differences. This will avoid eliminating options

...not just language differences. This will avoid eliminating options

15:30:01 <ivan> ack dauwhe

Ivan Herman: ack dauwhe

15:30:16 <tzviya> Dauwhe: this is a good topic for CSSWG

Dave Cramer: this is a good topic for CSSWG

15:30:40 <tzviya> ...because there is a text replacement option in CSS, would like to push to get that back into CSS

...because there was a text replacement option in CSS, would like to push to get that back into CSS

15:30:54 <Bert> q+ to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces.

Bert Bos: q+ to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces.

15:31:09 <tzviya> Ivan: I contacted Koji about this because he [provided information that I didn't know about

Ivan Herman: I contacted Koji about this because he [provided information that I didn't know about

15:31:23 <tzviya> ...I encouraged him to join this meeting, but there are time differences

...I encouraged him to join this meeting, but there are time differences

15:31:24 <dauwhe> s/because there is/because there was/
15:31:34 <tzviya> madi: will koji be at TPAC?

Madi Solomon: will koji be at TPAC?

15:31:44 <ivan> ack Bert

Ivan Herman: ack Bert

15:31:44 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces.

Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces.

15:31:53 <tzviya> ivan: yes Koji will be at CSS

Ivan Herman: yes Koji will be at CSS

15:32:34 <tzviya> bert: what is the input? What does it look like? where are spaces? This would inform CSS WG

Bert Bos: what is the input? What does it look like? where are spaces? This would inform CSS WG

15:32:49 <tzviya> ...Does it differ across cultures/languages

...Does it differ across cultures/languages

15:33:27 <tzviya> madi: this would be very informative. Does such a thing exist

Madi Solomon: this would be very informative. Does such a thing exist

15:33:49 <tzviya> billK: this assumes author = writer

Bill Kasdorf: this assumes author = writer

15:34:38 <tzviya> ...a lot will depend on what is available on keyboard. Thin space and nbsp are not available to authors

...a lot will depend on what is available on keyboard. Thin space and nbsp are not available to authors

15:35:18 <tzviya> ivan: true, but I see regular spaces before punctuation in french

Ivan Herman: true, but I see regular spaces before punctuation in french

15:35:30 <tzviya> BillK: practices often change

Bill Kasdorf: practices often change

15:35:35 <tzviya> q+

q+

15:35:40 <ivan> ack tzviya

Ivan Herman: ack tzviya

15:36:28 <tzviya> tzviya

tzviya

15:36:53 <tzviya> : there are also differences across segments of the industry

Tzviya Siegman: there are also differences across segments of the industry

15:37:15 <ivan> s/:/tzviya:/
15:37:20 <tzviya> ...indentation of paragraphs is more common in trade

...indentation of paragraphs is more common in trade

15:37:58 <tzviya> ...non-indented paragraphs and extra space between paragraphs is more common in professional books

...non-indented paragraphs and extra space between paragraphs is more common in professional books

15:39:01 <ivan> Resolution: topics for TPAC: (1) Pagination, Dave (2) Infographics, but chair is needed (3) font/typography, Vlad (4) Behavioral adaption, Tzviya (5) Security, Sharad

RESOLVED: topics for TPAC: (1) Pagination, Dave (2) Infographics, but chair is needed (3) font/typography, Vlad (4) Behavioral adaption, Tzviya (5) Security, Sharad

15:40:13 <ivan> Topic: Metadata task force?

5. Metadata task force?

15:40:38 <tzviya> madi:Bill, please introduce the topic

Madi Solomon: Bill, please introduce the topic

15:41:01 <tzviya> billK: do we need a WG on metadata or are the features of HTML and CSS sufficient?

Bill Kasdorf: do we need a Task Force on metadata or are the features of HTML and CSS sufficient?

15:41:13 <ivan> s/WG/Task Force/
15:41:26 <tzviya> ...be mindful of the types of metadata: rights, subject, etc.

...be mindful of the types of metadata: rights, subject, etc.

15:41:45 <tzviya> ...publishers increasingly want to include this at a more granular level

...publishers increasingly want to include this at a more granular level

15:42:12 <tzviya> ...we have done this by adding <div class ="x">

...we have done this by adding <div class ="x">

15:42:22 <tzviya> ...there is also microdata and RDFa

...there is also microdata and RDFa

15:42:31 <tzviya> ...is there a need to change W3C specs?

...is there a need to change W3C specs?

15:42:50 <tzviya> ...we do not want to discuss individual vocabularies

...we do not want to discuss individual vocabularies

15:43:07 <tzviya> ...are there sufficient vocabularies?

...are there sufficient vocabularies?

15:43:38 <tzviya> ...ivan asked would it be useful to create a clearing house for these vocabularies?

...ivan asked would it be useful to create a clearing house for these vocabularies?

15:43:52 <gcapiel> +q

Gerardo Capiel: +q

15:44:10 <tzviya> ...for example, book publishers are usually aware of ONIX, but not aware of PRISM (used in magazines)

...for example, book publishers are usually aware of ONIX, but not aware of PRISM (used in magazines)

15:44:32 <tzviya> ...neither magazines nor books are usually aware of MARC, TEI, etc

...neither magazines nor books are usually aware of MARC, TEI, etc

15:44:37 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:44:40 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:44:46 <azaroth> +q

Robert Sanderson: +q

15:44:48 <tzviya> ...what is in scope? would it be helpful?

...what is in scope? would it be helpful?

15:45:07 <tzviya> ivan: we have to be careful about terminology

Ivan Herman: we have to be careful about terminology

15:45:34 <tzviya> ...a WG would be separate from this IG (within W3C)

...a WG would be separate from this IG (within W3C)

15:46:01 <tzviya> ...it is a question about whether this group could answer with a yes/no

...it is a question about whether this group could answer with a yes/no

15:46:05 <tzviya> ...let

...let

15:46:17 <tzviya> ..us define clearing house

..us define clearing house

15:46:35 <tzviya> ...we could define each vocabulary and how they relate to one another

...we could define each vocabulary and how they relate to one another

15:46:39 <ivan> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/

Ivan Herman: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/

15:47:05 <tzviya> ...this link is an example of linked vocabilaries

...this link is an example of linked vocabilaries

15:47:36 <tzviya> ...the other possibility is to create formal mapping between these vocabularies

...the other possibility is to create formal mapping between these vocabularies

15:48:02 <tzviya> ...should this be done by this IG or by organizations that host these vocabularies?

...should this be done by this IG or by organizations that host these vocabularies?

15:48:07 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:48:28 <ivan> ack gcapiel

Ivan Herman: ack gcapiel

15:48:46 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is making noise?

15:48:58 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: gcapiel (31%)

Zakim IRC Bot: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: gcapiel (31%)

15:49:28 <tzviya> gcapiel: I've been working with Bill on enhancing vocabularies like schema.org, a search vocab

Gerardo Capiel: I've been working with Bill on enhancing vocabularies like schema.org, a search vocab

15:49:45 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mediaont-10/ somewhat similar work done at W3C in the past

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mediaont-10/ somewhat similar work done at W3C in the past

15:49:51 <tzviya> ...it may be that what we need for publishing will not move fast enough

...it may be that what we need for publishing will not move fast enough

15:49:58 <Zakim> -jean_kaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: -jean_kaplansky

15:50:17 <Zakim> +jean_kaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: +jean_kaplansky

15:50:38 <tzviya> ...schema.org will not address these issues in time

...schema.org will not address these issues in time

15:51:04 <tzviya> ...this issue needs to be addressed

...this issue needs to be addressed

15:51:06 <ivan> zakim, mute gcapiel

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute gcapiel

15:51:06 <Zakim> gcapiel should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: gcapiel should now be muted

15:51:26 <tzviya> BillK: Gerardo's points are excellent

Bill Kasdorf: Gerardo's points are excellent

15:51:47 <tzviya> ...this is not just metadata about the document, but metadata within the document

...this is not just metadata about the document, but metadata within the document

15:51:55 <ivan> ack azaroth

Ivan Herman: ack azaroth

15:51:56 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

15:52:39 <tzviya> azaroth: love/hate relationship with metadata standards. We need to be careful not to disappear down a hole

Robert Sanderson: love/hate relationship with metadata standards. We need to be careful not to disappear down a hole

15:53:12 <tzviya> ...we should point to standards, not try to incorporate them all

...we should point to standards, not try to incorporate them all

15:53:24 <dauwhe> http://xkcd.com/927/

Dave Cramer: http://xkcd.com/927/

15:53:26 <tzviya> ...should not try to provide crosswalsk

...should not try to provide crosswalks

15:53:42 <ivan> ack fjh

Ivan Herman: ack fjh

15:53:58 <tzviya> s/crosswalsk/crosswalks
15:54:16 <tzviya> fjh: please summarize what gerardo said

Frederick Hirsch: please summarize what gerardo said

15:54:31 <azaroth> +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

15:54:44 <tzviya> billK: not only are there many standards, but they are constantly evolving

Bill Kasdorf: not only are there many standards, but they are constantly evolving

15:55:27 <tzviya> ivan: if we decide to set up a clearing house then we have to be conscious of the fact that the content is dynamic

Ivan Herman: if we decide to set up a clearing house then we have to be conscious of the fact that the content is dynamic

15:55:48 <tzviya> ...and the community has to be able to maintain it even after the WG is gone

...and the community has to be able to maintain it even after the WG is gone

15:55:55 <gcapiel> Q+

Gerardo Capiel: Q+

15:56:06 <ivan> zakim, unmute gcapiel

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute gcapiel

15:56:07 <Zakim> gcapiel should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: gcapiel should no longer be muted

15:56:08 <tzviya> fjh: I would be concerned about ongoing maintenance

Frederick Hirsch: I would be concerned about ongoing maintenance

15:56:15 <ivan> ack gcapiel

Ivan Herman: ack gcapiel

15:56:47 <tzviya> gcapiel: i think there are a lot of metadata standards, and I'd hate to reinvent the wheel

Gerardo Capiel: i think there are a lot of metadata standards, and I'd hate to reinvent the wheel

15:57:06 <tzviya> ...we need to make sure it's clear how to use existing standards within HTML

...we need to make sure it's clear how to use existing standards within HTML

15:57:08 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:57:43 <tzviya> ...in terms of ongoing maintenance, that is an issue if W3C takes on metadata work

...in terms of ongoing maintenance, that is an issue if W3C takes on metadata work

15:57:55 <Zakim> -jean_kaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: -jean_kaplansky

15:58:03 <tzviya> ...it might make sense to point to existing specs

...it might make sense to point to existing specs

15:58:22 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:58:34 <tzviya> BillK: perhaps the goal should be advising about how to make metadata specs interoperable

Bill Kasdorf: perhaps the goal should be advising about how to make metadata specs interoperable

15:59:06 <tzviya> ivan: fully agree with gerardo that defining a metadata spec is not something that we want to do

Ivan Herman: fully agree with gerardo that defining a metadata spec is not something that we want to do

15:59:17 <tzviya> ...there is an intersection with annotations

...there is an intersection with annotations

15:59:24 <azaroth> I agree with Ivan :)

Robert Sanderson: I agree with Ivan :)

15:59:53 <tzviya> ...in that we have to a way define a URI, a way to uniquely identify something

...in that we have to a way define a URI, a way to uniquely identify something

16:00:14 <tzviya> ...IDPF has a separate document on this, but not sure that it covers what we need

...IDPF has a separate document on this, but not sure that it covers what we need

16:00:23 <fjh> is that a TAG discussion topic?

Frederick Hirsch: is that a TAG discussion topic?

16:00:37 <tzviya> ...we may want to address this ourselves or ask W3C to address this

...we may want to address this ourselves or ask W3C to address this

16:00:40 <azaroth> (Also agree that the IDPF work is currently insufficient for the DPUB IG's needs)

Robert Sanderson: (Also agree that the IDPF work is currently insufficient for the DPUB IG's needs)

16:01:00 <tzviya> ...W3C is setting up a group to address best practices for publishing on the web

...W3C is setting up a group to address best practices for publishing on the web

16:01:12 <tzviya> ...this will include describing data

...this will include describing data

16:01:27 <tzviya> ...and will be of interest for this group as well

...and will be of interest for this group as well

16:01:37 <tzviya> ...probably will begin in Dec

...probably will begin in Dec

16:01:56 <tzviya> madi: conclusion seems to be that we don't need a task force

Madi Solomon: conclusion seems to be that we don't need a task force

16:02:03 <tzviya> ivan: i don't agree

Ivan Herman: i don't agree

16:02:23 <tzviya> ...I think we may need a task force, but it's different from other task forces

...I think we may need a task force, but it's different from other task forces

16:02:44 <gcapiel> I agree

Gerardo Capiel: I agree

16:02:57 <azaroth> Continue to agree with Ivan

Robert Sanderson: Continue to agree with Ivan

16:03:12 <tzviya> ..this task force will research and recommend to W3C where to explore further

..this task force will research and recommend to W3C where to explore further

16:03:14 <fjh> thanks

Frederick Hirsch: thanks

16:03:17 <Zakim> -Sharad_Garg

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad_Garg

16:03:18 <Zakim> -gcapiel

Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel

16:03:18 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor

Zakim IRC Bot: -Suzanne_Taylor

16:03:18 <Zakim> -BillKasdorf

Zakim IRC Bot: -BillKasdorf

16:03:18 <tzviya> BillK: makes sense

Bill Kasdorf: makes sense

16:03:20 <Zakim> -madi

Zakim IRC Bot: -madi

16:03:21 <Zakim> -dauwhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe

16:03:21 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

16:03:21 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:03:22 <Zakim> -Tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tzviya

16:03:24 <Zakim> -Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert

16:03:27 <Zakim> -fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh

16:03:29 <Zakim> -laura

Zakim IRC Bot: -laura

16:03:30 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

16:03:30 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, +1.505.665.aabb, Tzviya, azaroth, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh, gcapiel, dauwhe, jean_kaplansky, +1.609.216.aadd, laura, Bert,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, +1.505.665.aabb, Tzviya, azaroth, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh, gcapiel, dauwhe, jean_kaplansky, +1.609.216.aadd, laura, Bert,

16:03:30 <Zakim> ... Sharad_Garg, Suzanne_Taylor

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sharad_Garg, Suzanne_Taylor

16:03:37 <ivan> zakim, who is there?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is there?

16:03:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ivan.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, ivan.

16:03:44 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:03:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan

16:04:03 <tzviya> Madi: we defined what this task force will not do. Will continue to define what the task force will fo

Madi Solomon: we defined what this task force will not do. Will continue to define what the task force will fo

16:04:03 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, stop telcon

16:04:03 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

16:04:11 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon

16:04:11 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:04:11 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

16:04:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:04:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

16:04:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:04:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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