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15:58:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:58:40 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2013
15:58:47 <AWK> Chair: AWK
15:59:06 <AWK> Agenda+ Next meeting
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15:59:19 <AWK> Agenda+ Continue ARIA Techniques review - only #4 and #6 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126ARIA_Techniques/
15:59:30 <AWK> Agenda+ Misc survey for December 10, 2013 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131210/
15:59:38 <AWK> Agenda+ Misc survey for December 17, 2013 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131217Misc/
15:59:47 <AWK> Agenda+ Discussion of Evaluation Methodology Note and approval for publication of working draft https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126EM_Review/
15:59:54 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
15:59:54 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:59:55 <Zakim> 1. Next meeting [from AWK]
15:59:55 <Zakim> 2. Continue ARIA Techniques review - only #4 and #6 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126ARIA_Techniques/ [from AWK]
15:59:55 <Zakim> 3. Misc survey for December 10, 2013 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131210/ [from AWK]
15:59:56 <Zakim> 4. Misc survey for December 17, 2013 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131217Misc/ [from AWK]
15:59:56 <Zakim> 5. Discussion of Evaluation Methodology Note and approval for publication of working draft https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126EM_Review/ [from AWK]
16:00:17 <Zakim> +Sailesh_Panchang
16:00:47 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, Sailesh_Panchang
16:00:50 <Zakim> + +1.617.959.aaaa
16:01:24 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:01:44 <AWK> Zakim, aaaa is Michel Fitos
16:01:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is Michel Fitos', AWK
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16:02:03 <AWK> Zakim, .aaaa is Michel Fitos
16:02:03 <Zakim> I don't understand '.aaaa is Michel Fitos', AWK
16:02:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:17 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, Sailesh_Panchang, +1.617.959.aaaa, David_MacDonald, [IPcaller]
16:02:40 <AWK> Zakim, 617.959.aaaa is Michel Fitos
16:02:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '617.959.aaaa is Michel Fitos', AWK
16:02:52 <Zakim> +??P32
16:02:58 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Michel_Fitos
16:02:58 <Zakim> +Michel_Fitos; got it
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16:03:53 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:04:02 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:04:18 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Alastair_Campbell
16:04:20 <Zakim> +Alastair_Campbell; got it
16:04:23 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:04:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, Sailesh_Panchang, Michel_Fitos, David_MacDonald, Alastair_Campbell, Michael_Cooper, Marc_Johlic, Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:04:46 <Zakim> +??P40
16:04:48 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
16:05:29 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
16:05:29 <Zakim> Kathy_Wahlbin should now be muted
16:05:51 <MichaelC> zakim, drop ??P40
16:05:52 <Zakim> ??P40 is being disconnected
16:05:52 <Zakim> -??P40
16:06:43 <Kathy> ack me
16:07:04 <AWK> Scribe: Michel
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16:08:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:08:50 <Loretta> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
16:08:50 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:11:07 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
16:11:07 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Next meeting" taken up [from AWK]
16:12:47 <MichaelC> scribe: David
16:13:07 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 2
16:13:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue ARIA Techniques review - only #4 and #6 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126ARIA_Techniques/" taken up [from AWK]
16:13:48 <MichaelC> s/Zakim, take up item 2/Next meeting is 7 January 2014, no meeting next two weeks/
16:13:52 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 1
16:13:52 <Zakim> agendum 1, Next meeting, closed
16:13:53 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:13:53 <Zakim> 2. Continue ARIA Techniques review - only #4 and #6 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126ARIA_Techniques/ [from AWK]
16:14:23 <David> No meeting Christmas eve or new years eve... next meeting Jan. 7
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16:14:42 <David> test
16:15:27 <AWK> TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_name_for_user_interface_controls
16:16:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:16:18 <Loretta> q+
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16:16:37 <kerstin_> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:16:37 <Zakim> +kerstin_; got it
16:16:53 <kerstin_> zakim, mute me
16:16:53 <Zakim> kerstin_ should now be muted
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16:22:58 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:23:17 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_name_for_user_interface_controls
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16:24:29 <David> example 4  repeats the label element "notify me 1 days in advance notify me, combobox"  repeated because the label for is repeating both in FF and IE with JAWs...
16:25:06 <Loretta> q+ to say that landmark example could be moved to "Using ARIA landmarks to identify regions of a page"
16:26:26 <AWK> ack lor
16:26:26 <Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say that landmark example could be moved to "Using ARIA landmarks to identify regions of a page"
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16:30:50 <David> remove example 3 from aria labelledby on user interface controls
16:34:06 <David> awk: let's release them... if we get comments, we can address them
16:41:54 <David> accepted as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_name_for_user_interface_controls
16:42:39 <AWK> TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_concatenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes
16:42:50 <AWK> opps.  That is incorrect.
16:42:58 <David> topic: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
16:43:12 <David> TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
16:44:03 <David> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
16:44:24 <David> RESOLUTON: accepted as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_name_for_user_interface_controls
16:44:24 <AWK> zakim, take up next item
16:44:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Misc survey for December 10, 2013 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131210/" taken up [from AWK]
16:45:46 <David> TOOIC: ARIA Technique: Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors .
16:46:55 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013OctDec/0266.html
16:47:02 <MichaelC> s/TOOIC/topic/
16:47:10 <David> TOPIC: ARIA Technique: Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors .
16:58:14 <David> AWK: discussion regarding whether to use role="alert" vs. aria-live="assertive" not really enough time to create another example... maybe a example for assertive later... but put out for comment now
16:58:59 <David> RESOLUTION: accept as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_Live_Regions_or_role%3Dalert_to_Identify_Errors http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_Live_Regions_or_role%3Dalert_to_Identify_Errors
16:59:59 <David> TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_Live_Regions_or_role%3Dalert_to_Identify_Errors using grouping roles for form controls
17:02:07 <David> James will remove the first DIV from example 2
17:03:43 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
17:06:19 <AWK> ACTION: Alastair to provide live example for example 2 of http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_grouping_roles_to_identify_related_form_controls
17:06:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Provide live example for example 2 of http://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/using_grouping_roles_to_identify_related_form_controls [on Alastair Campbell - due 2013-12-24].
17:07:31 <David> RESOLUTION: accept as amended Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_Live_Regions_or_role%3Dalert_to_Identify_Errors pending example by Alastair
17:11:54 <David> TOPIC: Comment on F16
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17:14:31 <AWK> TOPIC: Table failure modification
17:15:04 <David> RESOLUTION: Accepted response as ammended
17:17:18 <AWK> s/TOPIC: Table failure modification/
17:17:23 <AWK> TOPIC: Table failure modification
17:18:14 <AWK> http://mars.dequecloud.com/demo/Table-multi-col.htm
17:19:24 <David> RESOLUTION: Leave this open for table failure
17:20:13 <AWK> zakim, take up next item
17:20:13 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Misc survey for December 17, 2013 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131217Misc/" taken up [from AWK]
17:20:45 <David> TOPIC:  F89
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17:31:14 <AWK> Failure of Success Criteria 2.4.4, 2.4.9 and 4.1.2 for not providing a accessible name for an image where it is the only content within a link and not providing a name for the link in another manner.
17:31:29 <AWK> Failure of Success Criteria 2.4.4, 2.4.9 and 4.1.2 due to using null alt on an image where the image is the only content in a link and not providing a name in another manner
17:32:21 <David> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended F89... can make editorial change later...
17:33:24 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:34:40 <David> TOPIC: 4. ARIA TF: Using aria-alertdialog to Identify Errors
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17:41:10 <Alastairc> Perhaps: Note that the alertdialog should not be in the static HTML in a way that would accessed by assistive technology before it is relevant. For example, it could be inserted into the HTML by a script, or it could be hidden with CSS of display: none, and an attribute of aria-hidden-true.
17:41:45 <Zakim> +Cooper
17:42:07 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:45:22 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
17:48:41 <David> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-alertdialog_to_Identify_Errors  Using aria-alertdialog to Identify Errors
17:49:44 <David> We will leave open other items...
17:50:19 <David> The plan is to put all this into a form to look at and release it after review in the new year...
17:50:35 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:50:37 <Zakim> -AWK
17:50:38 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:50:38 <Zakim> -Alastair_Campbell
17:50:38 <Zakim> -Sailesh_Panchang
17:50:39 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:50:39 <Zakim> -Michel_Fitos
17:50:41 <Zakim> -Cooper
17:50:43 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:50:45 <Zakim> -kerstin_
17:51:26 <MichaelC> zakim, drop gregg
17:51:26 <Zakim> Gregg_Vanderheiden is being disconnected
17:51:27 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
17:51:27 <Zakim> Attendees were AWK, Sailesh_Panchang, +1.617.959.aaaa, David_MacDonald, Michael_Cooper, Michel_Fitos, Marc_Johlic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Alastair_Campbell, Kathy_Wahlbin, Loretta,
17:51:27 <Zakim> ... kerstin_, James_Nurthen, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper
17:51:32 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:51:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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