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14:24:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 328
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14:24:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:24:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:24:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:24:20 <trackbot> Date: 13 December 2013
14:24:50 <Kathy> zakim, this is mobile
14:24:50 <Zakim> sorry, Kathy, I do not see a conference named 'mobile' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:25:31 <Kathy> zakim, this is 6283
14:25:31 <Zakim> Kathy, I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 6283".
14:25:48 <Kathy> zakim, this will be 6283
14:25:48 <Zakim> ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 35 minutes
14:26:56 <Kathy> rrsagent, make log world
14:27:25 <Kathy> meeting: Mobile A11Y TF
14:27:33 <Kathy> chair: Kim Patch
14:28:11 <Kathy> agenda+ Welcome, introductions
14:28:33 <Kathy> agenda+ Review resources on WIKI
14:28:46 <Kathy> agenda+ Discussion on mobile accessibility challenges
14:28:56 <Kathy> agenda+ Next Steps
14:29:04 <Kathy> agenda?
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14:56:58 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
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14:57:11 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has ended
14:57:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.720.663.aaaa
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15:01:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:03 <Zakim> +Detlev
15:01:22 <agarrison_> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:01:22 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
15:01:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:48 <DavidTodd> Zakim, aaa me
15:01:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaa me', DavidTodd
15:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.617.435.aabb
15:02:12 <DavidTodd> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:12 <Zakim> +DavidTodd; got it
15:02:15 <Jan_> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:02:15 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:02:27 <Kathy> zakim, aabb is Kim
15:02:27 <Zakim> +Kim; got it
15:02:58 <Zakim> +EricP
15:03:17 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:03:17 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
15:03:22 <Zakim> + +44.179.281.aacc
15:05:41 <Kathy> zakim, next adendum
15:05:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next adendum', Kathy
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15:05:51 <Kathy> next agendum
15:06:33 <Kathy> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kathy_Wahlbin, Kathleen_Anderson, DavidTodd, alistair, Detlev, Jan, Kim, wuwei, +44.179.281.aacc
15:10:40 <Kathy> zakim, aacc is gavinevens
15:10:40 <Zakim> +gavinevens; got it
15:11:37 <k> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users
15:13:48 <Kathy> scribe: Kathleen
15:14:03 <Kathy> next agendum
15:14:28 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=66524&public=1
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15:15:02 <Kathleen> Kathy: this will be our regular meeting time
15:16:25 <Kathleen> TOPIC: review resources on wiki
15:16:25 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Resources#Mobile_Accessibility_Dev_Techniques:_Applications
15:17:24 <Kathleen> Kathy: any other resources?
15:17:33 <Jan_> JR: Has some resources
15:19:34 <agarrison_> q+
15:19:50 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
15:19:50 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:21:21 <Detlev> q+
15:21:30 <Detlev> q-
15:22:23 <Detlev> q+
15:22:43 <agarrison_> q-
15:23:20 <Detlev> ack me
15:23:56 <DavidTodd> q+
15:24:56 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
15:24:56 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:26:58 <DavidTodd> q-
15:27:35 <agarrison_> q+
15:29:19 <agarrison_> q-
15:29:22 <Kathleen> Kim: any other categories that we should add?
15:29:56 <Detlev> q+
15:30:01 <Detlev> ack me
15:30:07 <Kathleen> Kathy: any user testing scenerios or studies?
15:30:17 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
15:30:17 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
15:30:18 <gavinevans> q+
15:32:08 <Kathleen> gavinevans: involved in three year study
15:32:40 <Kathleen> gavinevans: looking for feedback as to what we should be testing
15:32:58 <Detlev> Its Detlev not Gavin who said that...
15:34:06 <Kathy> q?
15:34:46 <Kathleen> gavinevans: we have a testing lab
15:36:09 <Kathy> zakim, next agendum
15:36:09 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Kathy
15:36:35 <Kathy> q- gavinevans
15:36:41 <Kathy> zakim, next agendum
15:36:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Discussion on mobile accessibility challenges" taken up [from Kathy]
15:37:03 <Kathleen> TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Challenges
15:38:34 <Detlev> q+
15:38:49 <Detlev> ack me
15:38:49 <agarrison_> q+
15:39:21 <Kathleen> detlev: should we check with the HTML5-WAI-ARIA task force?
15:40:16 <Kathleen> detlev: there may be some overlap
15:41:47 <DavidTodd> q+
15:42:06 <Kathleen> kathy: good next step is to have James and/or Loretta come to a meeting to tell us what they've been doing
15:43:57 <Detlev> This is the link to tests od ARIA Techniques, partly on mobile: http://3needs.org/en/testing/sr-aria.html
15:44:35 <Kathleen> Kathy: our focus is native web apps as well as web sites
15:44:42 <DavidTodd> ack me
15:45:39 <agarrison_> Alistair - It would be useful to keep a track of mobile assistive technologies, and the capabilities and limitations
15:46:16 <Kathy> action: Alistair Create list mobile assistive technologies, and the capabilities and limitations
15:46:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Create list mobile assistive technologies, and the capabilities and limitations [on Alistair Garrison - due 2013-12-20].
15:47:08 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
15:47:08 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
15:47:36 <Kathleen> Kim: what are the main mobile accessibility challenges?
15:47:47 <Detlev> q+
15:48:38 <Kathleen> agarrison_: a huge challenge - including huge libraries (JQuery) - the library is massive and takes a huge amount of bandwidth
15:48:52 <agarrison_> q-
15:49:00 <Jan_> JR: Key challenge: Custom widgets are a challenge on every platform (and as they become more complex WAI-ARIA becomes harder to use effectively).
15:49:07 <Detlev> ack me
15:49:26 <Kathleen> detlev: different interaction paradigm
15:49:50 <Jan_> q+
15:50:24 <Kathleen> detlev: swiping vs keyboard centric
15:50:43 <Kathleen> detlve: touch vs keyboard input
15:51:52 <gavinevans> q+
15:52:51 <Kathleen> Jan_: there are keyboard APIs built into iOS and Android
15:53:19 <Kathleen> Jan_: the differences between touch and mouse result in accessibility problems
15:53:24 <Jan_> ack Jan_
15:53:50 <Kathleen> Kim: anyone have resources to go under missing information?
15:54:52 <DavidTodd> q+
15:54:54 <Kathleen> Kathy: what is frustrating companies trying to build mobile apps or web sites?
15:55:05 <Jan_> ack gavinevans
15:55:57 <Kathleen> gavinevans: developing for different devices, different considerations, differences in touch guidelines
15:56:16 <Detlev> q+
15:56:48 <Kathleen> kathy: MIT did a study on different touch sizes
15:57:02 <Jan_> ack DavidTodd
15:57:24 <Kathleen> DavidTodd: work at IBM with dojo keyboard
15:58:04 <Jan_> ack DetLev
15:58:07 <Detlev> ack me
15:58:16 <DavidTodd> ack me
15:58:36 <Kathleen> Detlev: from a user perspective difficult to find out how to make your device more accessible
15:59:51 <Kathy> zakim, next agendum
15:59:51 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Next Steps" taken up [from Kathy]
16:00:30 <Kathleen> Kathy: there is a call next week, no call on the 27th
16:00:50 <Kathleen> Kathy: need a good method of how to attack our next steps
16:02:19 <Zakim> -DavidTodd
16:02:20 <Zakim> -Jan
16:02:20 <Zakim> -alistair
16:02:20 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/13-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
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16:02:51 <Kathy> trackbot, end meeting
16:02:51 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kathy_Wahlbin, Kathleen_Anderson, +1.720.663.aaaa, Detlev, alistair, +1.617.435.aabb, DavidTodd, Jan, Kim, wuwei, +44.179.281.aacc,
16:02:54 <Zakim> ... gavinevens
16:02:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/13-mobile-a11y-minutes.html trackbot
16:03:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/13-mobile-a11y-actions.rdf :
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair Create list mobile assistive technologies, and the capabilities and limitations [1]
16:03:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/13-mobile-a11y-irc#T15-46-16
16:03:05 <Zakim> -wuwei
16:03:05 <Kathy> zakim, bye
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16:03:06 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Kathy_Wahlbin, Kathleen_Anderson, +1.720.663.aaaa, Detlev, alistair, +1.617.435.aabb, DavidTodd, Jan, Kim, wuwei, +44.179.281.aacc,
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