IRC log of webtv on 2013-12-11

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13:58:43 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-irc

13:58:49 [Zakim]

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13:58:51 [jcverdie]

zakim, agenda?

13:58:52 [Zakim]

I see nothing on the agenda

13:58:56 [kaz]

zakim, this will be webtv

13:58:56 [Zakim]

ok, kaz, I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM already started

13:59:04 [jcverdie]

agenda+ review gap analysis

13:59:14 [kaz]

zakim, call kazuyuki-617

13:59:14 [Zakim]

ok, kaz; the call is being made

13:59:16 [Zakim]

+Kazuyuki

13:59:19 [Zakim]

+Paul_Higgs

13:59:56 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

13:59:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P14, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs

13:59:57 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot

14:00:05 [whyun]

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14:00:51 [kaz]

zakim, ??P14 is whyun

14:00:51 [Zakim]

+whyun; got it

14:00:52 [igarashi]

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14:01:01 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

14:01:01 [Zakim]

On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs

14:01:02 [Zakim]

On IRC I see igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot

14:01:45 [Zakim]

+Jean-Charles

14:01:58 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:02:04 [Zakim]

+gmandyam

14:02:09 [kaz]

zakim, [ is skim13

14:02:09 [Zakim]

+skim13; got it

14:02:23 [Zakim]

+??P20

14:02:28 [gmandyam]

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14:02:33 [ddavis]

zakim, ??P20 is me

14:02:33 [Zakim]

+ddavis; got it

14:03:00 [Zakim]

+[GVoice]

14:03:12 [kaz]

zakim, [ is giuseppe

14:03:12 [Zakim]

+giuseppe; got it

14:03:14 [giuseppep]

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14:03:21 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, Jean-Charles, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe

14:03:23 [Zakim]

On IRC I see giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot

14:03:23 [gmandyam]

Giri Mandyam, Qualcomm Innovation Center, on the call

14:03:54 [Bin_Hu]

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14:04:33 [Louay]

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14:04:51 [Sheau]

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14:04:58 [Zakim]

+Bin_Hu

14:05:15 [Zakim]

+sheau

14:05:28 [kaz]

Present: Wook, Kaz, Paul, JC, Sunghei, Giri, Daniel, Giuseppe, Bin, Sheau

14:05:32 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

14:05:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, Jean-Charles, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe, Bin_Hu, sheau

14:05:34 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sheau, Louay, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot

14:05:48 [Zakim]

+??P26

14:06:04 [kaz]

zakim, ??P26 is Louay

14:06:04 [Zakim]

+Louay; got it

14:06:10 [kaz]

Present+ Louay

14:06:10 [jcverdie]

regrets+ Cyril Rickelton-Abdi

14:08:14 [jcverdie]

i am :)

14:08:19 [Zakim]

-Jean-Charles

14:08:22 [Bin_Hu]

excellent :)

14:08:24 [jcverdie]

but i can't unmute (skype crashed)

14:08:33 [jcverdie]

please go ahead Bin, I'm calling back

14:08:35 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

14:08:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe, Bin_Hu, sheau, Louay

14:08:37 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sheau, Louay, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot

14:08:50 [igarashi]

i will join soon. What is the passcode.

14:08:56 [kaz]

zakim, code?

14:08:57 [ddavis]

WEBTV1

14:08:59 [Zakim]

the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz

14:09:39 [kaz]

scribe: Giuseppe

14:09:46 [Bin_Hu]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE#gid=1

14:09:49 [giuseppep]

scribenick:giuseppep

14:09:53 [kaz]

scribenick: giuseppep

14:09:55 [Zakim]

+??P19

14:10:03 [Zakim]

+Jean-Charles

14:10:07 [kaz]

zakim, ??P19 is Igarashi

14:10:07 [Zakim]

+Igarashi; got it

14:10:10 [kaz]

Present+ Igarashi

14:10:27 [giuseppep]

Topic: gap analysis

14:10:30 [kaz]

s|https|-> https|

14:10:44 [kaz]

s|gid=1|gid=1 gap analysis document|

14:10:51 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

14:10:52 [giuseppep]

Bin: it seems we only have few question marks to address

14:10:56 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:10:58 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:11:00 [giuseppep]

... also need to finilize email discussions

14:11:32 [kaz]

Meeting: Web and TV IG - Media APIs TF call

14:11:53 [kaz]

Chair: Bing

14:11:53 [kaz]

Chair: Bin

14:11:59 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:11:59 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:12:39 [giuseppep]

Bin: NSD doesn't have device autentication in scope

14:12:51 [giuseppep]

so B11 should probably be blank

14:13:10 [kaz]

s/so B11/... so B11/

14:13:14 [giuseppep]

...do people agree? no objection

14:13:41 [jcverdie]

zakim, mute me

14:13:41 [Zakim]

sorry, jcverdie, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:14:26 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

14:14:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe, Bin_Hu, sheau, Louay, Igarashi, Jean-Charles

14:14:27 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sheau, Louay, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot

14:14:36 [giuseppep]

... req7 also should go to bank, agree? agreed

14:14:50 [kaz]

zakim, Jean-Charles is jcverdie

14:14:50 [Zakim]

+jcverdie; got it

14:15:04 [ddavis]

q+

14:15:05 [kaz]

s/bank/blank/

14:17:21 [kaz]

s/req7/req7 (B7)/

14:17:21 [kaz]

q?

14:17:21 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:17:21 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:17:21 [ddavis]

ack ddavis

14:17:21 [giuseppep]

.. for B12, there is ongoing discussion on the mailing list, so let's take it later.

14:17:21 [giuseppep]

Bin: let's go to col C

14:19:22 [giuseppep]

Bin: I propose to set C9 blank as HTML5 doesn't address authentication directly

14:19:34 [giuseppep]

... agreed? No objection

14:20:12 [kaz]

s/req7 (B7)/req7 (B12)/

14:20:55 [giuseppep]

Bin: col D only one comment on tuner API, how should we resolve it

14:21:07 [giuseppep]

giuseppe: it will be solved as part of the tuner API discussion, so comment can be closed

14:21:21 [kaz]

i/Bin:/(C9, C10, C11 turned into blank)/

14:21:44 [giuseppep]

Bin: one left, B30

14:22:39 [kaz]

s/B30/D30/

14:22:46 [giuseppep]

D30

14:23:36 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:23:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:23:50 [giuseppep]

Giri: recording is part of WebRTC

14:24:08 [giuseppep]

... is probably reasonable to say that is not in scope for HTML5

14:24:45 [giuseppep]

... but maybe there should be something in html5.1 to make recording of a video element possible

14:26:41 [kaz]

q+

14:26:46 [giuseppep]

giuseppe: then maybe we should leave it red as would be good to bring it up with the HTML WG

14:27:04 [giuseppep]

Giri: yes I agree, but one comment here

14:27:33 [giuseppep]

... there is a green in the webrtc column because for some use cases WebRTC can certainly be used

14:27:42 [giuseppep]

.. but this is not for all use cases

14:27:54 [giuseppep]

s/../.../

14:28:22 [kaz]

q-

14:28:27 [giuseppep]

Sheau: if we have a red here, shouldn't we say the same for authentication?

14:29:19 [giuseppep]

Giri: I'm not sure what the relevance is for html5 of all of them

14:30:31 [giuseppep]

giuseppe: I think the requirement is too highlevel to drive work/discussion in HTML5

14:30:40 [giuseppep]

... if we want something to happen we need to dive into the details

14:30:48 [giuseppep]

... and point out what is missing

14:30:56 [giuseppep]

Giri: agree

14:31:04 [kaz]

q+

14:31:10 [giuseppep]

... [makes some examples from the TV industry]

14:31:44 [giuseppep]

Sheau: it seems to me that at this point we don't know exactly what we mean

14:31:58 [giuseppep]

... so we don't have enough elements to decide

14:32:56 [kaz]

q+ to ask if "HTML 5.1" here means "possible HTML extensions other than all the existing specs"

14:33:52 [giuseppep]

Sheau: maybe we should actually put green as html5 enables authentication

14:34:27 [giuseppep]

giuseppe: I agree with Sheau

14:36:24 [giuseppep]

Bin: so let's close D30 red

14:37:37 [giuseppep]

.. and let's change D9-10-11 to green

14:37:56 [giuseppep]

... same for c9-10-11

14:38:17 [kaz]

q?

14:38:24 [kaz]

ack k

14:38:24 [Zakim]

kaz, you wanted to ask if "HTML 5.1" here means "possible HTML extensions other than all the existing specs"

14:40:25 [giuseppep]

Kaz: should we split the html5.1 column to alos future version of 5.x?

14:40:31 [giuseppep]

giuseppe: no.

14:40:33 [giuseppep]

Bin: no

14:41:14 [giuseppep]

Bin: I propose to address question marks first

14:41:18 [giuseppep]

... next is G7

14:41:37 [giuseppep]

s/G7/G27/

14:41:58 [kaz]

s/to alos/into two, (1) the existing HTML 5.1 and (2) the/

14:42:24 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:42:24 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:42:31 [giuseppep]

... there is a suggestion to leave that blank

14:42:57 [giuseppep]

.. since the eme doesn't prevent nor prescribe support for offline, is not a matter of såpec but of implementation

14:43:18 [giuseppep]

... what do you think?

14:43:21 [giuseppep]

giuseppe: agree

14:43:48 [giuseppep]

Bin: any objection? none

14:43:56 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:43:56 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:44:10 [giuseppep]

Bin: after that there is clumn J

14:44:59 [giuseppep]

... J6/7 proposal to leave it blank

14:45:07 [giuseppep]

simce the req. is not related to offline storage capability

14:45:29 [kaz]

s/såpec/spec/

14:45:40 [giuseppep]

s/simce/since/

14:45:59 [giuseppep]

Bin: any objection? none

14:46:00 [ddavis]

s/clumn/column/

14:46:10 [Zakim]

-ddavis

14:46:47 [giuseppep]

... same applies to other questionmarks in column J

14:46:53 [Zakim]

+??P20

14:46:56 [ddavis]

zakim, ??P20 is me

14:46:56 [Zakim]

+ddavis; got it