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13:24:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
13:24:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:24:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:24:31 <trackbot> Date: 11 December 2013
13:30:48 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:30:48 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:30:49 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:30:50 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:31:04 <carlos> carlos has joined #er
13:31:11 <shadi> zakim, drop shadi
13:31:12 <Zakim> Shadi is being disconnected
13:31:12 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:31:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi
13:31:34 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:31:41 <Zakim> +??P9
13:32:45 <carlos> zakim, p9 is carlos
13:32:45 <Zakim> sorry, carlos, I do not recognize a party named 'p9'
13:32:59 <carlos> zakim, ??p9 is carlos
13:32:59 <Zakim> +carlos; got it
13:33:04 <shadi> sorry, technical problems -- about to join
13:33:11 <carlos> ok
13:35:35 <Zakim> +??P10
13:35:51 <samuelm> samuelm has joined #er
13:36:30 <Zakim> +??P11
13:37:10 <samuelm> zakim, ??P11 is me
13:37:10 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
13:37:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:37:41 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:37:41 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:38:02 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:38:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see carlos, ??P10, samuelm, shadi
13:38:14 <shadi> zakim, ??p10 is emmanuelle
13:38:14 <Zakim> +emmanuelle; got it
13:41:00 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Dec/0008.html
13:41:15 <shadi> scribe: samuelm
13:41:20 <shadi> Topic: Review of WCAG-EM
13:41:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Dec/0005
13:42:43 <samuelm> SAM: you're invited to review by Friday
13:42:55 <samuelm> SAZ: you're invited to review by Friday
13:43:45 <samuelm> SAZ: ... only review things necessary before publication, in the survey please distinguish what is necessary before publication and what can be done after that
13:46:14 <samuelm> CA: interesting but not possible before friday
13:46:25 <shadi> s/CA/CV
13:47:27 <shadi> Topic: Progress on Pointer Methods in RDF
13:47:37 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/Pointers-in-RDF10/
13:48:24 <samuelm> SAZ: samuel has been reviewing the document and has improvement ideas, new pointers
13:49:10 <samuelm> SAZ: ... and contributing as an editor, looking into more detail on what can be improved
13:50:29 <samuelm> SAZ: plans to keep moving into completion of EARL
13:51:28 <samuelm> CV: will incorporate EARL export in the final release of their customer version, looking into the different parts
13:51:44 <egyrs> egyrs has joined #er
13:53:41 <shadi> Topic: Update on Accessibility Support Database
13:54:00 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/
13:56:28 <samuelm> SAZ: Accessibility Support Database developed through WAI-ACT, tool is complete and stable, test cases and results are being created
13:57:08 <samuelm> SAZ: if developers know which features are accessibility supported, developers will take that into account
13:58:15 <samuelm> SAZ: work more closely to EOWG...
14:00:19 <shadi> Topic: Discussion of draft AERT (working title)
14:00:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT
14:00:37 <samuelm> SAZ:  [on previous topic] ... announcements will be made when WG are more comfortable with the work done
14:01:21 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Dec/0004.html
14:02:32 <samuelm> SAZ: comments by samuel were discussed last week, we had been discussing about wording in two particular features (2 and 3?)
14:02:49 <samuelm> SAZ: ... on consistency of words like can, should and may
14:03:29 <samuelm> http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-er-minutes.html#item02
14:04:02 <samuelm> ... first point (of those comments) is closed
14:04:22 <samuelm> SAZ: second point commented by samuel was about the consistency of the tone
14:05:06 <samuelm> SAZ: passive tone adds formality but makes more difficult to read, active makes it easier to read but can be less formal
14:05:50 <samuelm> CV: the whole document in passive is not a good idea
14:07:55 <samuelm> SAZ: one thing is a matter how chatty and narrative versus how objective and concise; and another thing is active vs passive
14:09:42 <samuelm> SAM: it's a matter of consistency, I'm not inclining towards one and another
14:11:01 <samuelm> CV: has tried to avoid normative language... after shadi's
14:11:50 <samuelm> SAZ: we are trying to make it concise, non-normative, formal, and active
14:14:23 <samuelm> CV: got the point, will try to work on it (we did not get advances when discussing)
14:17:21 <shadi> Topic: Next Meeting
14:17:21 <samuelm> regrets next week, with egyrs, will be http://www.w3c.es/Eventos/2013/DiaW3C/agenda
14:18:27 <samuelm> SAZ: no meeting next week, next meeting on Jan 8
14:20:18 <samuelm> SAZ: we need the final version of the draft of WCAG-EM to be approved by Thursday...
14:20:47 <egyrs> OK.
14:20:55 <samuelm> SAZ: ... need ERT members answer by email by Wed to say whether publication is approved
14:20:58 <samuelm> ok
14:21:48 <Zakim> -carlos
14:21:48 <egyrs> ciao :-)
14:21:52 <samuelm> happy holidays
14:22:00 <Zakim> -samuelm
14:22:01 <Zakim> -shadi
14:22:03 <egyrs> Feliz Navidad :)
14:22:13 <Zakim> -emmanuelle
14:22:14 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:22:14 <Zakim> Attendees were carlos, samuelm, shadi, emmanuelle
14:57:14 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:57:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:57:16 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:57:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:57:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:57:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items