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14:57:50 <HadleyBeeman> trackbot, start meeting
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14:57:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
14:57:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 28 November 2013
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15:03:37 <PhilA2> zakim, ipcaller is me
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15:04:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> hi
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15:05:24 <cygri> zakim, code?
15:05:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
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15:06:10 <fadmaa> Zakim, aaaa is fadmaa
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15:06:15 <PhilA2> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131128
15:06:18 <PhilA2> chair: Hadley
15:06:22 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2
15:06:25 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
15:06:25 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
15:06:27 <PhilA2> scribeNick: PhilA2
15:06:30 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-21
15:06:33 <PhilA2> topic: Minutes of last week's meeting
15:06:41 <fadmaa> +1
15:06:43 <DaveReynolds> +1
15:06:47 <HadleyBeeman> +1
15:06:53 <PhilA2> +1
15:06:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
15:07:15 <PhilA2> meeting: Weekly GLD call, 28 November 2013
15:07:22 <PhilA2> Topic: Data Cube
15:07:36 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: Not a lot to say. I've drafted the transition request
15:07:57 <PhilA2> ... I've had 3 more offers of validation reports that might come in in time - prob not coming until next week
15:07:59 <gatemezi> +1
15:08:06 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: No other issues raised
15:08:34 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: You're not concerned about having a full test for next week?
15:09:00 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: AFAIK the draft I've done is OK. I just need the links to the resolution of the WG to make the transition
15:09:04 <PhilA2> Topic: ORG
15:09:11 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: There's abit more to do on this I think?
15:09:18 <PhilA2> s/abit/a bit/
15:09:58 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: The transition request is in the same state as last week. No new implementation reports since last week. Some terms without 2 definite independent uses but the transition request says this
15:10:08 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I think the draft is ready
15:10:14 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Good news
15:11:27 <PhilA2> PhilA2: I have the Italian translation of the ORG labels which I'll add in the near future
15:11:37 <PhilA2> ... but it doesn't affect CR status
15:11:44 <PhilA2> Topic: Best Practices
15:11:52 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who's here?
15:11:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see DaveReynolds, JoaoPauloAlmeida, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, Sandro, cygri, fadmaa (muted)
15:11:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadmaa, cygri, sandro, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, trackbot
15:11:57 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Only gatemezi of the editors on the call?
15:12:02 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Ah, no
15:12:29 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: The e-mails floating around today show that the doc is ready apart from some links that need adding to the glossary
15:12:50 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: What we need is for the WG to take a look at it before next week's call
15:13:05 <PhilA2> ... so please do that
15:13:05 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me
15:13:05 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
15:13:09 <PhilA2> Topic: DCAT
15:13:18 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: This is going to be fastest meeting ever
15:13:25 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Implementations
15:14:01 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I've updated the implementations page. It's looking good. I was able to find some new examples that I wasn't aware of. We have 2 uses of every term except byteSize where there is only 1
15:14:09 <PhilA2> ... but there are 2 that use the old version
15:14:28 <PhilA2> ... so that's relevant but I'm not sure it's a valid argument
15:14:30 <PhilA2> q+
15:14:58 <PhilA2> PhilA2: How long ago were the old terms deprecated
15:14:59 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil
15:15:08 <PhilA2> fadmaa: It's less than a year
15:15:11 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Thanks
15:16:24 <HadleyBeeman> q+ to talk about dct:rigths
15:16:36 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Also be ready to answer why you changed the term in the first place
15:17:07 <PhilA2> fadmaa: The 2 uses of the old ones are not conformant and their use was always compliated. The new ones are simpler
15:17:08 <sandro> q+ to ask what the users say
15:17:16 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: What were the 2 old terms?
15:17:43 <PhilA2> fadmaa: dcat:size and dcat:bytes
15:17:58 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:18:00 <PhilA2> fadmaa: Turned out to be confusing and was badly used. New version is clearer
15:18:06 <HadleyBeeman> ack sandro
15:18:06 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask what the users say
15:18:15 <Zakim> +??P2
15:18:19 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P2 is me
15:18:19 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:18:29 <PhilA2> sandro: The otehr thing the Director might ask is whether we have any feedback on the new/old terms
15:19:04 <PhilA2> sandro: Maybe the term isn't being used because they don't know the byte size? Have we asked the known mis-user whether they plan to change?
15:19:16 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:19:24 <PhilA2> fadmaa: There's a contact on that usage so I'll try and get to them
15:19:58 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Check - is there a typo on rights?
15:20:19 <PhilA2> fadmaa: Yes, it's a typo
15:20:30 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: So... LC comments
15:20:33 <PhilA2> issue-70?
15:20:34 <trackbot> issue-70 -- Define dcat:downloadURL as sub property of dcat:accessURL -- raised
15:20:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70
15:20:42 <Zakim> -cygri
15:20:55 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Reviewed the DCAT domains and ranges, has now made changes
15:21:08 <HadleyBeeman> s/reviewed/PhilA reviewed
15:21:14 <PhilA2> fadmaa: There are 2 issues here. The domains and ranges - sorted.
15:21:24 <PhilA2> fadmaa: Should I now update the spec to show this?
15:22:24 <Zakim> +??P0
15:22:33 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:22:33 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
15:23:15 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA2: No semantic changes have been made. If you want to express that in the doc or not… I'm tempted to make as few changes as we can.  We are trying to make the machine readable version match the human reaaible
15:23:22 <HadleyBeeman> s/reaaible/readible
15:23:46 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I'd like to show this in the doc
15:23:58 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Yes, now all properties have domains and ranges
15:24:15 <HadleyBeeman> … in the ontology file
15:25:02 <HadleyBeeman> … There's an old RDF file lying around.  I haven't touched that.  I could generate the XML from the Turtle.  It'd be nice if there were an HMTL version of the namespace doc, of the schema.  But don't do that over getting everything ready for CR
15:25:27 <PhilA2> close action-155
15:25:27 <trackbot> Closed action-155.
15:25:53 <fadmaa> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html#Property:distribution_downloadurl
15:25:54 <PhilA2> fadmaa: The second part of issue-70 is whether there is a sub prop relationship between accessURL and downloadURL
15:26:47 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I added the text that Dave suggested to resolve this - nad the original commentator is happy with that. Can we vote on closing the issue?  We agreed on the call last week but didn't take a formal resolution
15:27:09 <PhilA2> s/nad the original commentator is happy with that/and have not heard back from the commentator/
15:27:36 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: There are 2 issues - whether the commentator is happy and whether the WG is happy
15:27:57 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: We'll vote for that as part of everything else when we vote to seeking transition to PR next week
15:28:05 <PhilA2> fadmaa: No need to vote now
15:28:07 <DaveReynolds> q+
15:28:17 <PhilA2> PhilA2: AFAIAC we agreed last week and I think we can close the issue
15:28:38 <DaveReynolds> ack me
15:28:39 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: So we can close issue 70 - we may need to re-open if the commentator objects
15:28:47 <HadleyBeeman> q-
15:28:57 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I was going to suggest that we did vote on it so that we can point to it in the transition request
15:29:19 <PhilA2> proposed resolution: To close issue -70 based on the changes made by Fado
15:29:25 <HadleyBeeman> +1
15:29:27 <DaveReynolds> +1
15:29:27 <PhilA2> +1
15:29:28 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
15:29:31 <fadmaa> s/Fado/Fadi/
15:29:32 <fadmaa> +1
15:29:34 <sandro> +1
15:29:39 <gatemezi> +1
15:29:40 <PhilA2> resolution: To close issue -70 based on the changes made by Fado
15:29:48 <PhilA2> close issue-70
15:29:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-70.
15:29:56 <gatemezi> s/Fado/fadmaa
15:30:19 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
15:30:25 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: According to the LC comments there's no reply on dataset dependency
15:30:34 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: It's comment no. 4
15:31:17 <fadmaa> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Aug/0005.html
15:31:27 <PhilA2> fadmaa: The last issue we got from Johan said he understands but he says it makes 2 or 3 cases hard to deal with
15:31:46 <PhilA2> ... it's a long e-mail including a long description of some use cases
15:31:51 <PhilA2> q+
15:32:00 <PhilA2> q-
15:32:51 <HadleyBeeman> philA: We could reply saying you're free to define any terms you like in your own namespace.  It doesn't stop him using dct:dataset
15:33:42 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:33:54 <Zakim> +??P2
15:33:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P2 is me
15:33:59 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:34:11 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  You've given him a full answer to his question, you've given him a solution to his use case consistent with the standard.  If he hasn't chosen to reply, then that's beyond us.
15:34:39 <PhilA2> sandro: Maybe Hadley could send him a note asking him to reply?
15:34:49 <PhilA2> fadmaa: He has had the last word
15:34:59 <PhilA2> ... he said these two use cases can't be done in DCAT
15:35:41 <PhilA2> PhilA2: But can he use DCAT in the way you've suggested?
15:36:06 <PhilA2> sandro: Maybe you could say, OK, these use cases can't be done wholly in DCAT, maybe you want to look at X instead
15:36:17 <PhilA2> sandro: Slight danger if we don't understand the use case
15:36:31 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: And can you reply with a line saying "does this concluse our discussion?"
15:36:38 <PhilA2> s.concluse/conclude/
15:36:42 <PhilA2> s/concluse/conclude/
15:37:29 <DaveReynolds> yes
15:37:30 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I have a question about implementations. I have a column on tool support - we use/export DCAT?
15:37:42 <Zakim> -cygri
15:37:53 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: If you could put one sentence under the heading to explain what you just said, that would be good.
15:38:02 <PhilA2> fadmaa: Will do
15:38:04 <Zakim> +??P0
15:38:12 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:38:12 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
15:38:54 <HadleyBeeman> philA: Yes, useful.  I'd refer to the stuff I've sent  on what the Open Knowledge Foundation is doing, re DCAT in CKAN.  This may not be public, but we can at least link to it internally.
15:39:30 <HadleyBeeman> philA:  JSON-LD is fantastic;  adding context to JSON feeds is useful in that context.
15:39:53 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I got the mail, I'll add it to the implementation page
15:40:26 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Please don't link to it publicly until we get a signal from Ira that we can
15:40:30 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_PR_transition
15:40:38 <PhilA2> topic: PR Transition request for DCAT
15:40:54 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Dave or Richard, do you have any suggests for Fadi, given your work on ORG and QB?
15:41:16 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I think it's straightforward to do - the implementation page is looking really good.
15:41:31 <PhilA2> ... once you;ve got that, filling in the request is straightforward
15:41:39 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Are you OK with this Fadi?
15:41:44 <PhilA2> fadmaa: Yes, thank you
15:42:08 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Anything else on DCAT?
15:42:10 <PhilA2> fadmaa: Not from me
15:42:13 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open
15:42:16 <PhilA2> Topic: Open Actions
15:42:45 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Starting at the bottom...
15:42:54 <PhilA2> Action-154?
15:42:54 <trackbot> Action-154 -- Fadi Maali to Draft a blog post for the w3c semantic web blog or working group note comparing dcat, void (and possibly schema.org and adms) -- due 2013-11-14 -- OPEN
15:42:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/154
15:43:15 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: That looks like a nice to have but I'm not sure it's necessary. The transition is more important
15:43:40 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I've got a rough version already. I'd like to show it to the WG before publishing. I will finish that action item
15:43:53 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: If you can do it this week, great, but other things first
15:44:13 <PhilA2> action-149?
15:44:13 <trackbot> action-149 -- Phil Archer to Will communicate with schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from dcat & adms. -- due 2013-10-24 -- OPEN
15:44:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/149
15:45:03 <DaveReynolds> A number of actions are clearly obsolete/done - 136, 133, 131, 126, 125
15:45:12 <PhilA2> PhilA2: I'll take action on that after the call
15:45:20 <PhilA2> action-148?
15:45:20 <trackbot> action-148 -- Bernadette Hyland to Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html -- due 2013-08-08 -- OPEN
15:45:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/148
15:45:54 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: It's there to remind the editors that it's there if they want to do it
15:46:02 <PhilA2> ... it's the most recent thing that is pending
15:46:22 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: We should be able to cross things off at our next meeting
15:46:33 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Happy thanksgiving to the US folks
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15:46:46 <PhilA2> bye all
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