IRC log of tt on 2013-11-21

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14:57:18 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be TTML
14:57:18 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:19 [trackbot]: Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:57:19 [trackbot]: Date: 21 November 2013
14:57:54 [Zakim]: SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
14:57:56 [Zakim]: +??P0
14:58:04 [nigel]: zakim, ??P0 is me
14:58:04 [Zakim]: +nigel; got it
14:58:23 [nigel]: Agenda+ Assign Scribe
14:58:29 [nigel]: Agenda+ IANA Registration
14:58:34 [nigel]: Agenda+ Charter
14:58:39 [nigel]: Agenda+ Actions pending review
14:58:45 [nigel]: Agenda+ Actions due
14:58:50 [nigel]: Agenda+ Overdue actions
14:58:55 [nigel]: Agenda+ Issues discussed over the last week
14:59:07 [nigel]: Agenda+ TTML WG Liaison from the EBU MIM-XMLSubs Group
14:59:13 [nigel]: Agenda+ AOB
15:00:36 [nigel]: agenda 3 = Charter, Face to Face
15:01:06 [nigel]: next agendum
15:01:11 [nigel]: chair: nigel
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15:01:54 [Zakim]: +Mike
15:01:55 [Zakim]: -Mike
15:01:55 [Zakim]: +Mike
15:03:18 [nigel]: Regrets: Michael Jordan, Frans de Jong, Cyril Concolato, Thierry Michel, Andreas Tai
15:03:48 [glenn]: yes
15:03:56 [nigel]: Regrets+ Glenn Adams
15:04:29 [nigel]: scribeNick: nigel
15:04:58 [nigel]: next agendum
15:05:39 [nigel]: action-88?
15:05:39 [trackbot]: action-88 -- Mike Dolan to Make sure the TTML media type is properly registered for Issue-175. -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
15:05:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/88
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15:06:27 [nigel]: mike: We have closure on wording, need to communicate to IANA. Need to know who the contact is and how to respond.
15:06:33 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
15:06:38 [nigel]: ... Last time it was just an email exchange.
15:07:04 [nigel]: action: plh to tell mike contact details for proceeding with IANA registration
15:07:04 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-245 - Tell mike contact details for proceeding with iana registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-11-28].
15:07:34 [nigel]: next agendum
15:07:56 [nigel]: http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
15:08:04 [nigel]: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/ttml-charter-diff.html
15:08:46 [nigel]: mike: please could you summarise TTWG at TPAC?
15:08:52 [nigel]: jdsmith: +1
15:09:31 [nigel]: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac
15:09:41 [nigel]: nigel: above is agenda, with links to minutes
15:13:22 [plh]: plh has joined #tt
15:13:42 [Zakim]: +Plh
15:14:49 [nigel]: nigel: summarises TPAC meeting
15:15:48 [nigel]: action: nigel to take deliverables of draft charter to TAG for scrutiny
15:15:48 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-246 - Take deliverables of draft charter to tag for scrutiny [on Nigel Megitt - due 2013-11-28].
15:17:01 [nigel]: plh: dsinger is addressing WebVTT licensing issues, which may delay charter.
15:19:49 [nigel]: plh: part of the issue is that the WebVTT documents were created under a different license
15:20:44 [nigel]: mike: will take up the licence issue with dsinger directly.
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15:21:20 [nigel]: action-241?
15:21:20 [trackbot]: action-241 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Edit charter by next tuesday -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:21:20 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/241
15:21:30 [nigel]: close action-241
15:21:31 [trackbot]: Closed action-241.
15:21:48 [nigel]: action-242?
15:21:48 [trackbot]: action-242 -- Nigel Megitt to Action mark_vickers to ask ig to provide input in external groups list in new charter -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:21:48 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/242
15:21:53 [Zakim]: +[Adobe]
15:22:18 [mijordan]: Zakim, mijordan is Adobe
15:22:18 [Zakim]: sorry, mijordan, I do not recognize a party named 'mijordan'
15:22:36 [mijordan]: Zakim, Adobe is mijordan
15:22:36 [Zakim]: +mijordan; got it
15:23:38 [nigel]: plh: contact Dan Appleqvist directly (the chair) with precise details of what we're asking TAG to do and provide.
15:24:03 [nigel]: ... What kind of technical feedback would you like from TAG for the charter.
15:24:51 [plh]: Daniel Appelquist, Peter Linss
15:25:08 [plh]: https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
15:25:50 [nigel]: topic: IANA Registration
15:25:56 [nigel]: action-245?
15:25:56 [trackbot]: action-245 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Tell mike contact details for proceeding with iana registration -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN
15:25:56 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/245
15:26:41 [nigel]: plh: thought Mike already had the contact details.
15:27:00 [nigel]: plh: will forward the original email request or provide the information here.
15:27:49 [nigel]: next agendum
15:28:46 [nigel]: action-223?
15:28:46 [trackbot]: action-223 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration -- due 2013-10-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:28:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223
15:29:09 [nigel]: close action-223
15:29:09 [trackbot]: Closed action-223.
15:29:22 [nigel]: close action-226
15:29:23 [trackbot]: Closed action-226.
15:29:32 [nigel]: action-227?
15:29:32 [trackbot]: action-227 -- Nigel Megitt to Inform plh when issue(s) filed in order to coordinate -- due 2013-11-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:29:32 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/227
15:30:06 [nigel]: close action-227
15:30:07 [trackbot]: Closed action-227.
15:31:08 [plh]: mike, email address is iana-mime@iana.org
15:31:36 [nigel]: action-229?
15:31:36 [trackbot]: action-229 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Answer the ebu liaison letter -- due 2013-11-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:31:36 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/229
15:31:40 [plh]: use [IANA #711352] at the start of the subject header
15:31:58 [nigel]: close action-229
15:31:58 [trackbot]: Closed action-229.
15:32:10 [nigel]: action-235?
15:32:10 [trackbot]: action-235 -- Nigel Megitt to Post ebu input document re: issue-288 -- due 2013-11-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:32:10 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/235
15:32:49 [nigel]: Document now available via email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0026.html
15:33:57 [nigel]: close action-235
15:33:57 [trackbot]: Closed action-235.
15:34:01 [nigel]: next agendum
15:34:30 [plh]: action-239?
15:34:30 [trackbot]: action-239 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Raise this issue -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:34:30 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
15:36:01 [nigel]: mike: requests that the issue is codified better
15:36:14 [nigel]: plh: notes that it's for pal to codify, as part of the action
15:36:35 [nigel]: action-240?
15:36:35 [trackbot]: action-240 -- David Singer to Consider the problem of the license change from cg to wg, with the ac and ab and staff -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:36:35 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/240
15:37:03 [nigel]: nigel: action open as philippe mentioned before, nothing to add at this point. Action is in progress.
15:37:23 [nigel]: action-243?
15:37:23 [trackbot]: action-243 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Edit dsinger's proposed wording which captures the intent. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:37:23 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/243
15:39:25 [nigel]: action: nigel to send text version of TPAC minutes to public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions and associate them automatically.
15:39:25 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-247 - Send text version of tpac minutes to public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions and associate them automatically. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2013-11-28].
15:39:52 [nigel]: action-244?
15:39:52 [trackbot]: action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:39:52 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
15:40:38 [nigel]: next agendum
15:41:19 [nigel]: nigel: Glenn sent regrets until Dec 5 so passing over actions assigned to him
15:41:28 [nigel]: action-164?
15:41:28 [trackbot]: action-164 -- Jerry Smith to Investigate interop issues using CSS familyName constructs -- due 2013-06-06 -- OPEN
15:41:28 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/164
15:42:14 [nigel]: jdsmith: is there any further info?
15:42:26 [nigel]: plh: action raised by sean, passed to Jerry
15:42:46 [nigel]: jdsmith: requests assistance on this action, to understand what it's about.
15:45:36 [plh]: Mike: we're not using the unicode escape from CSS. does it present an issue in TTML?
15:45:48 [plh]: Jerry: I'll look into it
15:46:26 [nigel]: action-222?
15:46:26 [trackbot]: action-222 -- Mike Dolan to Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
15:46:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
15:46:26 [plh]: action-222?
15:46:26 [trackbot]: action-222 -- Mike Dolan to Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
15:46:27 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
15:47:42 [nigel]: mike: thinks liaison went to Chris
15:48:03 [nigel]: ... one liaison was posted directly to Web and TV IG
15:48:12 [nigel]: ... Will take this action
15:49:09 [nigel]: ... documents need to be published to the non-public (member) group d-list
15:49:54 [nigel]: ... cover letter can be made public but draft standards can not be.
15:49:59 [nigel]: plh: will do so.
15:50:11 [nigel]: mike: can find email and rese
15:50:18 [nigel]: s/rese/resend
15:50:36 [nigel]: action-228?
15:50:36 [trackbot]: action-228 -- Nigel Megitt to Coordinate with david singer re: vtt agenda items. -- due 2013-11-07 -- OPEN
15:50:36 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/228
15:51:01 [nigel]: close action-228
15:51:01 [trackbot]: Closed action-228.
15:51:09 [nigel]: action-231?
15:51:09 [trackbot]: action-231 -- Nigel Megitt to Find out which group within dvb we should target -- due 2013-11-07 -- OPEN
15:51:09 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/231
15:51:53 [nigel]: close action-231
15:51:53 [trackbot]: Closed action-231.
15:52:22 [nigel]: next agendum
15:52:38 [nigel]: issue-298?
15:52:38 [trackbot]: issue-298 -- Permit reuse of animation constructs by allowing multiple content elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration -- raised
15:52:38 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/298
15:54:00 [plh]: action-239?
15:54:00 [trackbot]: action-239 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Raise issue on permit reuse of animation construct(s) by allowing multiple content elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:54:00 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
15:54:06 [mike]: IANA replied to by email
15:54:53 [nigel]: nigel: adds note to issue to state it was raised due to action-239
15:54:53 [mike]: ISO liaison emailed to PLH and Nigel - close 222
15:56:03 [nigel]: action-239: raised as issue-209
15:56:03 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-239 Raise issue on permit reuse of animation construct(s) by allowing multiple content elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration.
15:56:11 [nigel]: close action-239
15:56:11 [trackbot]: Closed action-239.
15:56:39 [nigel]: action-222: plh to send to members list
15:56:39 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-222 Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496.
15:56:50 [nigel]: action-222: plh has done this
15:56:50 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-222 Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496.
15:56:59 [nigel]: close action-222
15:56:59 [trackbot]: Closed action-222.
15:57:08 [plh]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2013Nov/0000.html
15:57:21 [nigel]: agendum 3?
15:57:34 [nigel]: open agendum 3
15:59:33 [nigel]: nigel: raises face to face meeting topic
16:00:00 [nigel]: mike: we've discussed a transformation between TTML and VTT, but we haven't discussed the use cases and requirements for co-habitation.
16:00:22 [nigel]: ... I don't think everyone everywhere needs to deal with both standards. Some environments are better suited by one or the other.
16:01:01 [nigel]: ... Before discussing mappings we need to consider use case and requirements for each - we may find that all mappings (both directions) are not needed or there could be an HTML5 compatibility solution
16:01:14 [nigel]: nigel: agrees
16:01:49 [nigel]: plh: What's driving W3C in this mapping is to ensure that people with TTML document can deliver it on the web, using VTT if needed, therefore they need a mapping to VTT.
16:02:12 [nigel]: ... same thing goes for WebVTT if delivery as TTML is needed. That's W3C's use case.
16:02:42 [nigel]: mike: I don't agree that both are necessary or useful. Need to understand the need for bidirectional mapping. We may not need WebVTT into TTML transformation.
16:03:44 [Zakim]: -mijordan
16:03:49 [nigel]: nigel: any preferences re timing or location for a f2f?
16:04:32 [nigel]: plh: is the goal to have WebVTT people together?
16:04:35 [nigel]: nigel: yes
16:04:58 [nigel]: plh: need to have the charter agreed before choosing f2f - seems too early to decide now.
16:05:11 [nigel]: nigel: I think dsinger is keen to push ahead.
16:05:21 [nigel]: plh: can shoot for spring for example.
16:05:41 [nigel]: ... eg Feb or Mar
16:05:48 [nigel]: ... based on charter.
16:06:14 [nigel]: nigel: suggests April or May.
16:06:20 [nigel]: plh: who would host?
16:06:37 [nigel]: nigel: happy to have volunteers otherwise David and I will have to discuss.
16:06:54 [Zakim]: +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
16:07:42 [mijordan]: Zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
16:07:42 [Zakim]: +mijordan; got it
16:08:13 [nigel]: agenda?
16:08:40 [plh]: zakim, take up agendum 8
16:08:40 [Zakim]: agendum 8. "TTML WG Liaison from the EBU MIM-XMLSubs Group" taken up [from nigel]
16:09:05 [nigel]: plh: circulated this last week
16:09:15 [nigel]: nigel: This is the EBU-TT-D draft for comments
16:09:46 [nigel]: nigel: [with EBU hat] members can comment by Nov 25
16:10:13 [nigel]: ... EBU will be happy for comments directly
16:10:40 [nigel]: ... [with TTWG hat on] suggests that people copy in public-tt list if making any comments.
16:12:09 [nigel]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0032.html
16:12:26 [nigel]: next agendum
16:12:33 [nigel]: next agendum
16:12:49 [nigel]: topic: AOB
16:13:43 [nigel]: nigel: believes there's a US holiday next week?
16:13:53 [nigel]: group decides to postpone next week's meeting
16:14:03 [nigel]: nigel: next meeting will be Dec 5.
16:14:21 [Zakim]: -mijordan
16:14:22 [Zakim]: -Plh
16:14:22 [Zakim]: -nigel
16:14:24 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft]
16:14:26 [Zakim]: -Mike
16:14:27 [Zakim]: SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:14:27 [Zakim]: Attendees were nigel, Mike, [Microsoft], Plh, mijordan
16:14:27 [nigel]: rrsagent, publish minutes
16:14:27 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html nigel
16:15:06 [nigel]: rrsagent, make the minutes public
16:15:06 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make the minutes public', nigel. Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:15:18 [nigel]: rrsagent, make log public
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16:18:17 [nigel]: rrsagent, pointer?
16:18:17 [RRSAgent]: See http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-irc#T16-18-17
16:19:47 [nigel]: rrsagent, publish minutes
16:19:47 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html nigel
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