IRC log of dap on 2013-11-21

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 November 2013
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Regrets+ Jean-Claude_Dufourd, Josh_Soref
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fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda
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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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ScribeNick: fjh
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Present+ Mats_Wichmann
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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+fjh; got it
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zakim, ??P5 is me
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+mats; got it
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Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
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Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
15:00:35 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Lisa_DeLuca, mats, fjh
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On IRC I see lgombos, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, LisaDeLuca_IBM, dom, anssik, Josh_Soref, richt, trackbot, mounir, slightlyoff
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zakim, ??P10 is me
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+anssik; got it
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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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Welcome new member, Mats Wichmann (Samsung),
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No call next week; upcoming calls 5, 12, 19 December
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proposed RESOLUTION: Cancel DAP teleconference 2 January 2014.
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15:02:15 [dom]
Zakim, ??P15 is me
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+dom; got it
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RESOLUTION: Cancel DAP teleconference 2 January 2014
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+1 on cancelling on Jan 2 :)
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Topic: Minutes approval
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Approve minutes from 7 November 2013
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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 7 November 2013 are approved
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Topic: TPAC update
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Relevant news from TPAC
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15:06:45 [fjh]
fjh: presentation api might be relevant to our group, breakout session
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fjh: minutes from session,
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anssik: discovery is out of scope for this specification so not tightly linked
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… spec is in community group, could be in scope for DAP
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… interest in this specification
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fjh: we need to figure out which group it needs to go to
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dom: would need rechartering if it goes to DAP
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… need to figure out which implementers want to work on this, that should drive this decision
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fjh: makes sense
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dom: anssik you should take the lead on getting support from implementers to determine where this should go
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anssik: we are doing that, Mozilla is also already engaged, talking to other browser vendors
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… want to get two browser vendors on board, then find WG where they are already members
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dom: will need rejoining due to charter regardless, but good to have group that is working
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… happy to serve as team contact on this if you anssik can continue moving this forward
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anssik: ok
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… want to start in community group, easy to get started there
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… once we have implementers then we can take it forward
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… prefer to use existing group, heads up for participants of this group
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… here is link to community group
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15:12:33 [fjh]
… join if you wish
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fjh: another interesting TPAC session was Web of Things break-out session at TPAC2013
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fjh: anything new that can inform our work
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dom: lots of overlap with sensors
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… practical overlap not that great, since this work is in very early stages
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… interest in network service discovery
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fjh: anything else to report from TPAC
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dom: media capture TF met
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… discussions on constraint mechanisms
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… can see follow up discussion on mailing list of TF
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… original goal was to move to LC in next few weeks but will be delayed
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Media Capture TF mailing list archive is here:
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-> Media Capture TF minutes
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Topic: Testing
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anssik: nothing to report
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fjh: dom you might want to look at the minutes of the previous DAP call(s), I think there are some testing pull requests you might want to review
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Topic: Network Service Discovery
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fjh: ISSUE 131,, goal to resolve this one
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15:20:09 [trackbot]
ISSUE-131 -- Support UPnP device discovery by Device Type? -- open
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15:20:29 [fjh]
fjh: not sure we can do much on this call without Rich, Cathy or Jean-Claude
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Topic: Note publication for Shelved docs
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fjh: assume we wait until Anssi has a chance to look at this, be aware of end of year moratorium
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publishing moratorium information:
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Topic: Other Business
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Topic: Adjourn
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Present+ Giri_Mandyam
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s/Relevant news from TPAC/fjh: Lets review relevant news from TPAC, starting with the Second Screen session/
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s/, breakout session//
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s/interest in this specification/there is interest in this specification/
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s/overlap with sensors/overlap of Web of Things and DAP/
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Regrets+ Cathy_Chan_(Joining late)
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Regrets- Cathy_Chan_(Joining late)
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Attendees were Lisa_DeLuca, fjh, mats, anssik, dom, gmandyam, Cathy
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