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19:59:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:59:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
19:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2013
20:00:05 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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20:00:11 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
20:00:13 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
20:00:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/19-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:01:08 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
20:01:10 <Zakim> -[GVoice]
20:01:10 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
20:01:34 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:01:34 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
20:01:41 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:01:41 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:08 <Zakim> + +1.415.624.aaaa
20:03:26 <clown> zakim, aaaa has Bryan_Garaventa
20:03:26 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
20:04:38 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
20:04:47 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla has David_Bolter
20:04:47 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
20:06:35 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Nov/0006.html
20:09:38 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
20:11:48 <clown> Topic;  issue-629
20:11:53 <clown> issue-629?
20:11:53 <trackbot> issue-629 -- Unable to test ie11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of msaa column -- open
20:11:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629
20:12:03 <clown> scribenick:  davidb
20:12:44 <davidb> CS: needs to check a11y events on IE 11
20:14:39 <davidb> RS: could not receive old MSAA focus events on windows 7
20:17:33 <clown> Topic:  Issue-398
20:17:37 <clown> issue-398?
20:17:37 <trackbot> issue-398 -- Errata: aria-setsize and aria-posinset should apply to more than just listitem and option -- open
20:17:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
20:17:56 <clown> action-1293?
20:17:56 <trackbot> action-1293 -- James Craig to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
20:17:56 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293
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20:18:30 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table
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20:18:57 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table
20:19:10 <clown> action-1293?
20:19:10 <trackbot> action-1293 -- James Craig to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
20:19:10 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293
20:19:28 <davidb> DB: this is for aria 1.1
20:19:52 <davidb> JS: this came about from a request to add posinset and setsize to more roles
20:20:22 <davidb> JS: when it came to grid the thought was to add Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row
20:21:08 <clown> MSAA+UIA Express:  Expose as posinset=<value> in AriaProperties.
20:21:27 <Zakim> +??P5
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20:21:29 <clown> IA2:  Expose as object attribute posinset:<value> and in groupPostion().
20:21:43 <clown> UIA:  Expose as posinset=<value> in AriaProperties.
20:21:57 <clown> AT-SPI:  Expose as object attribute posinset:<value>.
20:21:58 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:21:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.415.624.aaaa, [Mozilla], Cynthia_Shelly, ??P5
20:22:01 <Zakim> [Mozilla] has David_Bolter
20:22:01 <Zakim> +1.415.624.aaaa has Bryan_Garaventa
20:22:13 <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
20:22:13 <Zakim> +janina; got it
20:22:25 <clown> Apple AX:  AXARIAPosInSet:  <value>
20:25:13 <clown> action:  Cynthia to determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for MSAA+UIExpress and UIA.
20:25:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1309 - Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress and uia. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-11-26].
20:25:30 <clown> action-1309?
20:25:30 <trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress and uia. -- due 2013-11-26 -- OPEN
20:25:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
20:26:08 <davidb> DB: I'd like to understand the original use case for the original request
20:27:08 <clown> scribenick:  clown
20:27:17 <davidb> DB: concerned about adding too many attributes
20:27:19 <clown> DB:  Why not use posinset and setsize instead?
20:28:03 <clown> RS:  There might be a use for poinset in a cell, and then there would be confusion.
20:28:20 <clown> s/poinset/posinset/
20:28:58 <clown> RS:  there is a good chance that parts of the UAIG could be used in other specs.
20:29:11 <clown> RS:  For example, name computation in SVG.
20:29:45 <clown> RS:  So break up the UAIG into a common guide + specific guides for specific mappings.
20:30:21 <clown> RS: So, a core UAIG, and an specific one for HTML5, and one for SVG.
20:30:35 <clown> DB:  That's reasonable.
20:30:57 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
20:31:11 <janina> scribe: janina
20:31:16 <clown> JS:  So, if there are no last call comments, we could start this spit early Dec for 1.1.
20:31:30 <janina> zakim, next item
20:31:30 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
20:32:07 <clown> Topic:  Issue-483, aria-labelledby for toolbars.
20:32:12 <clown> Issue-483?
20:32:13 <trackbot> Issue-483 -- Modify toolbar role to include aria-labelledby as an acceptable authoring mechanism for labeling when more than one toolbar is provided. -- open
20:32:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/483
20:32:39 <janina> clown: FF already supports
20:32:48 <janina> rs: So, we need one more, and we're done!
20:32:56 <janina> clown: Anyone see a problem with this?
20:33:13 <janina> rs: Would think tooltip is a DEscribedby
20:33:21 <janina> clown: But this is AccessibleName
20:33:26 <janina> rs: Equiv to title?
20:33:32 <janina> clown: no, no popup
20:33:39 <janina> rs: in terms of the name computation
20:33:41 <janina> clown: yes
20:33:53 <janina> clown: Toolbar supports ARIA-Label
20:34:10 <janina> clown: This a request to also allow LabeledBy
20:34:52 <janina> clown: Typically, toolbars don't have visible labels
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20:37:07 <janina> [agreement so to do]
20:38:12 <janina> topic: UAIG 1.1 Organization Approach
20:38:26 <janina> rs: Any objection to creating core spec and extension modules?
20:38:50 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_nd
20:39:53 <janina> clown: Checkboxes are always just checkboxes--the same everywhere
20:40:19 <janina> rs: But we could put SVG items in an SVG module and href the checkbox where appropriate
20:40:51 <janina> rs: Epub might want it's own module for epub structure roles
20:45:48 <clown> For example, in HTML, the img element's alt attribute defines a label string and the label element references the form element it labels.
20:46:06 <janina> [discussion on how to divide and assign the various parts]
20:51:39 <janina> [discussion of gaps in mobile APIs]
20:52:04 <clown> issue-17?
20:52:04 <trackbot> issue-17 -- we need to review how WAI-ARIA can be used to make SVG tables accessible -- raised
20:52:04 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/17
20:58:05 <janina> rs: Asks Joseph what he wants to edit? Core? HTML?
21:01:40 <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2013OctDec/0000.html
21:02:09 <janina> clown: Is a BP comment
21:02:15 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
21:02:19 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
21:02:28 <janina> zakim, bye
21:02:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly, janina
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21:03:24 <janina> zakim, bye
21:03:35 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
21:03:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/19-aapi-minutes.html janina
21:03:55 <bgaraventa1979> Happy Thanksgiving, by by
21:04:21 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
21:04:29 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
21:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/19-aapi-minutes.html janina
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