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06:10:48 <richt> <Dave Raggett introduces Web of Things breakout session>
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06:16:59 <richt> <Jaques presents the NFC API>
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06:18:15 <richt> Jacques: We starting with use cases for NFC and tried to solve those in the spec.
06:18:19 <dsinger> given that large 'things' tend to have an embedded 'web server' and can be contacted over HTTP (HTML, forms, XMLHTTPRequest, and so on)…is a thing (a) one of those, an HTTP-connected thing or (b) something with IP but without a web server? (c) something that can communicate that's not IP-based (bluetooth, nfc, etc.) (c) something else?
06:18:43 <dsr> Dave's slides http://www.w3.org/2013/Talks/wot-break-out/
06:18:56 <DV> http://w3c.github.io/nfc/proposals/common/nfc.html
06:19:02 <richt> thanks dsinger. Let's add this to the questions queue when we finish the round of demos?
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06:19:28 <giuseppep> dsinger: IIUC all of them, everybody has his favourite "thing"
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06:19:54 <dsinger> sure, queue it up.  would suggest focus, myself...
06:19:59 <dom> it's clear that one challenge is to set up a framework where all these types of things can work together
06:20:20 <yusuke1> That's the overlay, I guess.
06:20:23 <dom> dsinger, with a preference on what type of thing to focus on?
06:20:29 <giuseppep> dsinger: sure, I think this session include different people from different groups
06:20:43 <giuseppep> (with different ideas as well)
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06:28:57 <PhilA> q+ to ask about attitudes to metadata standards, JSON-LD? What does NFC data look like?
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06:32:28 <PhilA> q-
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06:33:07 <yusuke1> +q Question for Network Service Discovery: CoAP is in scope?
06:35:49 <dsr> ack yusuke1
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06:37:49 <richt> NSD = Network Service Discovery
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06:39:41 <dom> -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/Overview.html Network Service Discovery API (richt is th eeditor)
06:40:31 <dom> WebRTC + NSD, interesting indeed
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06:42:47 <richt> indeed dom
06:42:54 <richt> LAN gaming?
06:45:42 <tantek> is there a page on w3.org/wiki for the webofthings?
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06:45:53 <tantek> e.g. w3org/wiki/webofthings?
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06:46:31 <dsr> see http://www.w3.org/2013/Talks/wot-break-out/#(20)
06:49:46 <dom> http://www.w3.org/community/wot/wiki/ would be a good place to document outcomes of this break out (if any)
06:49:57 <tantek> dsr - ok, I created a stub page on main w3c wiki and added link to your preso: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webofthings
06:50:11 <tantek> dom - no more group-specific wiki silos please.
06:50:21 <dom> yeah, I hate these too :(
06:50:34 <tantek> (really wish the CG creator thingie didn't auto-create silo-wikis :( )
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06:51:13 <dom> yeah, it's probably a reasonable request to send to public-council@w3.org tantek
06:51:23 <dom> with instead an encouragement to start a wiki page on w3.org/wiki
06:51:45 <dom> (maybe the CG creator could create a default page / area per CG)
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06:53:50 <JonathanJ> Present+ Jonathan_Jeon
06:54:32 <JonathanJ> rrsagent, draft minutes
06:54:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/13-webofthings-minutes.html JonathanJ
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06:55:03 <dsinger> ok, so to my question I am also hearing (e) conceptual 'things' (like a room of people)
06:55:04 <dom> we need the web of mikes
06:55:50 <dom> (I fancy the day where we can replace these wireless mikes by just talking into our phones that are WebRTC plugged into the audio system of the room)
06:56:49 <gmandyam> q+ <Will the CG consider alternatives to JS for resource-constrained devices (e.g. Lua)?  Will the CG consider RESTful protocols like CoAP that are not HTTP-based?>
06:57:08 <dsinger> I rather suspect that the HTTP-connected non-HTML/forms devices are rather interesting; able to present information and receive control, but don't offer 'web pages' to do that?
06:57:10 <dom> q+ gmandyam to ask <Will the CG consider alternatives to JS for resource-constrained devices (e.g. Lua)?  Will the CG consider RESTful protocols like CoAP that are not HTTP-based?>
06:57:34 <dom> dsinger, I agree this is likely the most cost-effective things to look at in the first place
06:57:41 <dom> with plenty of hard questions to solve
06:57:54 <yusuke1> For me, WoT is of data, not protocol...
06:58:14 <dom> (e.g. how to discover them, how to deal with the many types of data they expose, the variety of services, etc)
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07:02:44 <giuseppep> dom, talking in your phones is old, haven't you read about the "tatoo-ed" mic?
07:03:02 <dom> sorry to be so old-fashioned :)
07:03:09 <dom> I hadn't heard about those, no
07:04:16 <dom> [http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57611545-1/motorola-wants-to-tattoo-a-mic-on-your-throat/ ]
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07:04:32 <dom> as always in this field, both amazing and creepy
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07:18:43 <JonathanJ> My presentation : http://www.w3.org/wiki/images/4/4d/20131113-HyWAI4T-ETRI-JonathanJ.pdf
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