IRC log of dap on 2013-11-07

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Zakim, this will be DAP

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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 07 November 2013

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0021.html

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fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0021.html

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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch

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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

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Regrets+ Josh_Soref

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ScribeNick: fjh

14:58:13 [fjh]

Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements

14:58:54 [fjh]

fjh: No call next week (TPAC) 14 Nov; no call US Thanksgiving week (28 Nov)

14:59:13 [fjh]

fjh: Upcoming calls: week after TPAC (21 Nov), 5 Dec, 12 Dec, 19 Dec

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Attendees were

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15:02:13 [fjh]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

15:02:19 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

15:02:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot

15:02:52 [anssik]

Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen

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zakim, who is here?

15:04:01 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

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On IRC I see gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot

15:04:34 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

15:04:34 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

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On IRC I see gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot

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Present+ GIri_Mandyam

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Present+ Tatsuya_Igarashi

15:06:18 [gmandyam]

Present+ gmandyam

15:06:59 [jcdufourd]

Present+ JeanClaude_Dufourd

15:07:39 [fjh]

RfC: Updates of the Technical Reports process; deadline November 27, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0158.html

15:07:45 [fjh]

additional git information http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0177.html

15:08:20 [fjh]

publishing moratorium information: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page#Administrativia

15:11:24 [anssik]

http://www.w3.org/mid/5265397C.7000805@w3.org

15:11:52 [fjh]

maybe of interest, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2013OctDec/0029.html

15:12:51 [fjh]

gmandyam: rechartering of Geolocation happening

15:13:29 [anssik]

also relevant to this group is this breakout session at TPAC: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Second_Screen_for_the_Web

15:14:09 [gmandyam]

Geolocation rechartering is proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2013Nov/0003.html

15:14:31 [gmandyam]

There is also a proposed breakout session for TPAC regarding next steps for the Geolocation WG

15:14:35 [fjh]

also relevant Web of Things, http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Web_of_Things

15:14:42 [fjh]

related to network service discovery

15:15:09 [gmandyam]

Breakout session for Geolocation: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Moving_Forward_on_Geolocation_API

15:15:27 [gmandyam]

DeviceOrientation is also part of the proposed rechartering of the Geo WG

15:15:42 [fjh]

i/maybe of interest/Topic: TPAC sessons

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Topic: Minutes approval

15:16:04 [fjh]

Approve minutes from 31 October 2013 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/att-0009/minutes-2013-10-31.html

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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 31 October 2013 are approved

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Topic: Test Updates - Proximity, Light

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0014.html

15:17:07 [fjh]

fjh: Zhiqiang added some IDL harness tests and initial value checking tests for Ambient Light Events [1] and Proximity Events [2]

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fjh: what comes next?

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fjh: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0014.html

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anssik: this should now be fully aligned with specification but have not been able to review

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… upon review can merge them

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fjh: does this mean you have an implementation as well

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anssik: cannot say right now about our plans

15:19:17 [fjh]

… not sure webkit implementation is shipping, Samsung people might know latest

15:19:18 [anssik]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Proximity_Events

15:19:48 [fjh]

fjh: I would like to get implementers looking at the test cases and see if we can get interop started

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anssik: should probably check with Kihong Kwon

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fjh: we need at least two real implementations to exit CR

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anssik: vibration is turned on Chrome but not the others as far as I know

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fjh: does it match latest, 2nd CR of Vibration

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anssik: yes, it matches the latest (afaik)

15:21:53 [fjh]

… Gecko may need revision

15:22:21 [fjh]

… Justin Lebar has moved roles, so need to know who is working on this now

15:22:29 [Cathy]

Present+ Cathy_Chan

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fjh: I'll check offline

15:22:50 [Cathy]

zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see no one

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On IRC I see Cathy, jcdufourd, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot

15:24:20 [fjh]

anssik: I can check at TPAC about implementations and testing for Proximity, Light, Vibration

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gmandyam: possible concern that device orientation may be changed to use promise based approach, yet some DAP specifications have not advanced.

15:28:19 [fjh]

fjh: Media capture TF has elected not to use promises

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gmandyam: sys apps and web crypto have incorporated promises

15:28:35 [fjh]

fjh: right

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gmandyam: issue is when promises will be stable and finalized

15:29:01 [anssik]

btw. IE11 added support for Device Orientation Events http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/dn433240(v=vs.85).aspx

15:29:37 [fjh]

gmandyam: other issue is functionality of device orientation, do we need consistency?

15:30:19 [fjh]

… android also supports device orientation events

15:31:17 [fjh]

… this microsoft approach is argument against a change from the event method we use in DAP, already deployed

15:31:55 [fjh]

Topic: Vibration

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ISSUE-156?

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ISSUE-156 -- add the [Clamp] attribute to the argument of the vibrate method -- open

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/156

15:32:23 [fjh]

decided to defer on list since the underlying specification is not stable

15:32:32 [gmandyam]

To summarize: Changing DeviceOrientation from an EventTarget approach would likely by too large a change to be supported by implementations, given e.g. IE support for the spec as it stands.

15:32:48 [fjh]

close ACTION-670

15:32:48 [trackbot]

Closed ACTION-670.

15:32:54 [fjh]

ACTION-670?

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ACTION-670 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Review issue-156 and add clamp to vibration specification -- due 2013-11-07 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/670

15:33:15 [fjh]

Topic: Network Service Discovery

15:33:25 [fjh]

Updated implementation using promises, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0003.html (Jean-Claude)

15:33:36 [fjh]

Plan for PING privacy review in January

15:33:54 [fjh]

fjh: Rich will participate PING review, others welcome

15:34:09 [fjh]

fjh: we need to explain the spec, so anything we can do to clarify would be useful

15:34:32 [gmandyam]

Frederick - have to drop out. Hope to see everyone at TPAC.

15:35:07 [fjh]

Also arranging security issues discussion with WebAppSec to be followed by review

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fjh: this will be a call, not TPAC

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zakim, who is here?

15:36:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

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On IRC I see Cathy, jcdufourd, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot

15:36:22 [fjh]

cannot discuss without Rich on call

15:36:44 [fjh]

cathy: stuck on whether to go forward with device support

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fjh: waiting on Rich to respond to that thread

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fjh: will ask Rich offline

15:37:46 [fjh]

Topic: Note publication

15:37:54 [fjh]

CfC concluded http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html

15:38:19 [fjh]

action: anssik to prepare shelved Note publications after TPAC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html

15:38:21 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-671 - Prepare shelved note publications after tpac http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-device-apis/2013nov/0010.html [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-11-14].

15:39:05 [fjh]

Topic: Other Business

15:39:47 [fjh]

TPAC transport, shuttles will be best

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Topic: Adjourn

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-minutes.html fjh

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Attendees were

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