IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-10-24

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14:43:55 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 2119
14:43:55 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 43 minutes ago
14:43:56 [trackbot]: Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:43:56 [trackbot]: Date: 24 October 2013
14:44:03 [janina]: zakim, clear agenda
14:44:03 [Zakim]: agenda cleared
14:44:10 [janina]: Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:44:10 [janina]: Chair: Janina_Sajka
14:44:10 [janina]: agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:44:13 [janina]: agenda+ Clocks Are Springing and Falling Around the Planet
14:44:16 [janina]: agenda+ REMINDER: Everyone is asked to rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html
14:44:19 [janina]: agenda+ Task Force Administration Update
14:44:21 [janina]: agenda+ PFWG Approves Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures [See Below]
14:44:24 [janina]: agenda+ Longdesc LC Comments WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0059.html
14:44:27 [janina]: agenda+ Longdesc Testing Update
14:44:30 [janina]: agenda+ New Ruby Extension Spec http://www.w3.org/TR/html-ruby-extensions/
14:44:32 [janina]: agenda+ New Media Community Group http://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/
14:44:35 [janina]: agenda+ Alt Edits Review [See Below]
14:44:37 [janina]: agenda+ Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [see below]
14:44:40 [janina]: agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;
14:44:42 [janina]: agenda+ HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
14:44:45 [janina]: agenda+ Other Business
14:44:47 [janina]: agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:44:50 [janina]: agenda+ be done
14:57:25 [Zakim]: WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:57:32 [Zakim]: +??P4
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14:57:45 [Zakim]: +Adrian_Roselli
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14:58:40 [aardrian]: zakim, who is on the call?
14:58:40 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P4, Adrian_Roselli
14:58:52 [janina]: zakim, ??P4 is me
14:58:52 [Zakim]: +janina; got it
15:01:38 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
15:01:48 [Zakim]: +Mark_Sadecki
15:02:15 [Zakim]: +Suzanne_Taylor
15:02:20 [MarkS]: zakim, [IP is Leonie
15:02:20 [Zakim]: +Leonie; got it
15:02:47 [Zakim]: +Cynthia_Shelly
15:03:59 [aardrian]: zakim, who is on the call?
15:03:59 [Zakim]: On the phone I see janina, Adrian_Roselli, Leonie, Mark_Sadecki, Suzanne_Taylor, Cynthia_Shelly
15:04:16 [Zakim]: +Judy
15:04:18 [janina]: zakim, who's here?
15:04:18 [Zakim]: On the phone I see janina, Adrian_Roselli, Leonie, Mark_Sadecki, Suzanne_Taylor, Cynthia_Shelly, Judy
15:04:20 [Zakim]: On IRC I see aardrian, st, RRSAgent, davidb, janina, trackbot, MarkS, Zakim, hober
15:04:35 [Judy]: Judy has joined #html-a11y
15:05:15 [MarkS]: zakim, agenda?
15:05:15 [Zakim]: I see 16 items remaining on the agenda:
15:05:16 [Zakim]: 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:05:16 [Zakim]: 2. Clocks Are Springing and Falling Around the Planet [from janina]
15:05:16 [Zakim]: 3. REMINDER: Everyone is asked to rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html [from janina]
15:05:16 [Zakim]: 4. Task Force Administration Update [from janina]
15:05:17 [Zakim]: 5. PFWG Approves Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures [from See Below via janina]
15:05:18 [Zakim]: 6. Longdesc LC Comments WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0059.html [from janina]
15:05:18 [Zakim]: 7. Longdesc Testing Update [from janina]
15:05:18 [Zakim]: 8. New Ruby Extension Spec http://www.w3.org/TR/html-ruby-extensions/ [from janina]
15:05:18 [Zakim]: 9. New Media Community Group http://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/ [from janina]
15:05:19 [Zakim]: 10. Alt Edits Review [from See Below via janina]
15:05:21 [Zakim]: 11. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from see below via janina]
15:05:21 [Zakim]: 12. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media; [from janina]
15:05:21 [Zakim]: 13. HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist [from janina]
15:05:21 [Zakim]: 14. Other Business [from janina]
15:05:21 [Zakim]: 15. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:05:22 [Zakim]: 16. be done [from janina]
15:05:55 [aardrian]: scribe: aardrian
15:06:14 [janina]: zakim, close item 1
15:06:14 [Zakim]: agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:06:16 [Zakim]: I see 15 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:16 [Zakim]: 2. Clocks Are Springing and Falling Around the Planet [from janina]
15:06:18 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:06:18 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "Clocks Are Springing and Falling Around the Planet" taken up [from janina]
15:08:54 [aardrian]: JS: Reminds us that the US and Europe will be out of sync during time change during next week.
15:09:09 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:09:09 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "REMINDER: Everyone is asked to rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
15:10:28 [aardrian]: JS: If you have not already rejoined the HTML-WG, please do so ASAP. Participation in a11y TF is dependent on it.
15:11:39 [aardrian]: MS: Will be sending out reminder to TF participants. Will be on agenda for a few weeks.
15:11:42 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:11:42 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "Task Force Administration Update" taken up [from janina]
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15:12:16 [paulc]: zakim, what is the code?
15:12:16 [Zakim]: the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:12:36 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
15:12:46 [paulc]: zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:12:46 [Zakim]: +paulc; got it
15:13:16 [aardrian]: JS: Steve Faulkner is resigning role as co-facilitator of a11y TF, effective immediately. Will otherwise still be part of TF.
15:13:57 [aardrian]: JS: Chaals and Janina wil continue as co-facilitators, a third may be added in the future.
15:14:09 [aardrian]: JS: A hearty thanks to Steve for all he has done.
15:15:02 [aardrian]: JB: Also thanks Steve, as well as Janina and Chaals for their work.
15:15:19 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:15:19 [Zakim]: agendum 5. "PFWG Approves Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures" taken up [from See Below]
15:15:43 [Judy]: JB: and thanks to Steve also for his commitment to stay with the TF documents and as a participant in the TF as well
15:16:14 [aardrian]: JS: PFWG is happy with procedures, at HTML-WG for consideration. CfC just started by Paul Cotton.
15:16:24 [aardrian]: PC: Forwarding CfC to TF as an FYI.
15:16:27 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:16:27 [Zakim]: agendum 6. "Longdesc LC Comments WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0059.html" taken up [from janina]
15:18:04 [aardrian]: JS: Looking for last call comments on Longdesc, please go fill out the form. URI in agenda.
15:18:21 [aardrian]: JS: Survey runs to midnight Boston time Monday.
15:18:27 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:18:27 [Zakim]: agendum 7. "Longdesc Testing Update" taken up [from janina]
15:19:12 [aardrian]: MS: Longdesc tests submitted to repository, first round of feedback on naming convention. Awaiting results.
15:20:02 [MarkS]: -> https://rawgithub.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html#muftapi AAPI Test results
15:20:18 [aardrian]: MS: Conducted AAPI testing, recorded results. https://rawgithub.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html#muftapi
15:20:57 [aardrian]: JS: Have completed all tests?
15:21:01 [aardrian]: MS: Agreed.
15:21:17 [aardrian]: JS: Hoping we can progress through CR to Proposed Rec?
15:21:49 [paulc]: q+
15:22:04 [aardrian]: JS: Need to write it up, schedule interview, then can demonstrate requirements met.
15:23:11 [aardrian]: JB: Probably not before TPAC. Documentation can be a bunch of work. Falls to Mark.
15:23:29 [aardrian]: MS: Accepts the challenge.
15:23:33 [janina]: ack p
15:24:07 [aardrian]: PC: Are we proposing skipping CR? It contains call for implementations.
15:24:12 [Judy]: q+
15:24:31 [Judy]: q+ to reflect on Paul's comment
15:24:40 [aardrian]: JS: Essentially, yes.
15:26:30 [aardrian]: JB: Anticipated implementation was good enough going into CR, needs verification.
15:27:21 [aardrian]: PC: Notes that skipping CR wasn't mentioned in last call, may be surprise to others not tracking closely.
15:27:40 [aardrian]: PC: Is July 16 last call draft?
15:27:40 [paulc]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-html-longdesc-20130716/
15:27:42 [aardrian]: MS: Correct.
15:29:38 [aardrian]: PC: How does TF plan to handle running through both parent groups? Notify HTML-WG ASAP to avoid surprise.
15:30:07 [aardrian]: PC: First time he has heard assertion to skip CR, acknowledges not being at every call.
15:32:05 [aardrian]: PC: 3rd question: Does TF have view on whether it should be free-standing REC or folded back into HTML 5.0?
15:32:46 [aardrian]: JB: Wanted to wait until clearing LC before discussion with TF on preference for either.
15:33:20 [aardrian]: JB: Timing suggests it could be published as stand-alone, then re-integrated before HTML 5.0 closes CR.
15:34:13 [aardrian]: PC: Plan 2014 is silent on this, does not preclude it.
15:34:41 [aardrian]: PC: Go to CR, prove it has met exit criteria before first quarter 2014 to fold it back in.
15:36:23 [aardrian]: JB: Hoping in next week's meeting to frame out discussion to follow right steps for either path.
15:38:59 [aardrian]: JB: Let's make sure this is clear on agenda for follow-up meetings.
15:39:38 [aardrian]: PC: Suggesting this should be a face-to-face topic for TPAC. Will add it to wiki.
15:41:32 [aardrian]: JS: Raises concern of packed agenda, may be though to get all the players at the table.
15:41:33 [paulc]: See http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda#F2F_Topics
15:43:00 [aardrian]: JS: Has heard 2 things from CR period, more implementations and more visibility.
15:44:06 [aardrian]: PC: More implentations important to prove 3rd party can implement. Considered in call for implementations.
15:45:00 [aardrian]: JB: No clear discussion on exit requirements for CR, this can be topic of discussion for next week.
15:45:45 [aardrian]: PC: Happy to meet separately on this, considering travel schedule.
15:46:56 [janina]: ack p
15:47:02 [janina]: ack j
15:47:02 [Zakim]: Judy, you wanted to reflect on Paul's comment
15:47:03 [Judy]: ack j
15:47:05 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:47:05 [Zakim]: agendum 8. "New Ruby Extension Spec http://www.w3.org/TR/html-ruby-extensions/" taken up [from janina]
15:47:39 [aardrian]: JS: FYI - new Ruby Extension coming, flagging as something of interest for a11y reasons.
15:47:57 [Judy]: q+
15:48:06 [aardrian]: JS: Have someone to review, falls under plan 2014 to discuss technical issues on TF.
15:48:34 [aardrian]: JS: Shane has taken up reading spec. Early in process.
15:49:04 [aardrian]: JS: Use case requirements seemed strange.
15:49:13 [janina]: ack j
15:49:54 [aardrian]: JB: Curious at timeline for Shane given that it's FPWD.
15:50:02 [paulc]: For information on the extension spec integration decision policy: see http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v3.html#cr-integration
15:50:10 [aardrian]: JS: Assigned action yesterday, but nothing specific.
15:50:12 [paulc]: q+
15:50:42 [Judy]: JB: ...as Wu Wei may be interested in looking at this as well
15:51:19 [aardrian]: MS: Has looked at spec in past, seems like may be a challenge for AT to implement. Doesn't see too big a problem.
15:51:21 [janina]: q?
15:51:26 [janina]: ack p
15:51:34 [paulc]: The Use Cases document was published at a Note: http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby-use-cases/
15:52:05 [aardrian]: PC: Asking about use case document on recommendation track; was published as note.
15:52:41 [Judy]: agenda?
15:52:58 [aardrian]: JS: May have an old one he is reviewing. Note makes sense.
15:53:43 [aardrian]: PC: Ruby spec resolves 5 of 25 open bugs on HTML. May be folded back into HTML 5 if it can catch up in the process.
15:53:59 [aardrian]: PC: Could replace existing normative material in HTML5.
15:54:49 [aardrian]: PC: Was published under CCBy licensing experiment. Mentioned in CfC.
15:55:06 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:55:06 [Zakim]: agendum 9. "New Media Community Group http://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/" taken up [from janina]
15:56:00 [aardrian]: JS: Noting that New Media Community Group should be of interest to a11y TF.
15:56:31 [aardrian]: JS: It's getting traction/membership. Some of TF may want to participate.
15:56:49 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:56:49 [Zakim]: agendum 10. "Alt Edits Review" taken up [from See Below]
15:57:35 [aardrian]: JS: Come to point of stasis on 'alt.' Cleared WCAG abou a week ago. Should be ready to move forward.
15:57:40 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:57:40 [Zakim]: agendum 10 was just opened, janina
15:57:49 [janina]: zakim, close this item
15:57:49 [Zakim]: agendum 10 closed
15:57:50 [Zakim]: I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:57:50 [Zakim]: 11. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from see below via janina]
15:57:53 [janina]: zakim, next item
15:57:53 [Zakim]: agendum 11. "Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF" taken up [from see below]
15:58:39 [aardrian]: MS: Last week decided to clone accesskey bugs to HTML.next, has done that, left notes on old bugs.
15:58:54 [aardrian]: MS: Has changed status, asking about appropriateness.
15:59:00 [aardrian]: PC: Check with standards team.
15:59:14 [aardrian]: PC: Asking about meeting for canvas interoperability items.
15:59:21 [aardrian]: JS: Scheduled for next week.
15:59:41 [aardrian]: PC: Noting that's two significant topics for next week.
16:00:10 [aardrian]: JB: Need information to identify which is critical before TPAC.
16:00:12 [Zakim]: -Leonie
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16:00:36 [aardrian]: PC: Do we take canvas to LC immediately and then back to CR with list of features at risk.
16:01:20 [aardrian]: JB: Suggests organizing/gathering information for conversations, prioritizing.
16:01:54 [Zakim]: -paulc
16:03:51 [Zakim]: -Judy
16:04:13 [Zakim]: -Cynthia_Shelly
16:04:14 [Zakim]: -janina
16:04:15 [Zakim]: -Mark_Sadecki
16:04:18 [Zakim]: -Suzanne_Taylor
16:04:20 [Zakim]: -Adrian_Roselli
16:04:21 [Zakim]: WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:04:21 [Zakim]: Attendees were Adrian_Roselli, janina, [IPcaller], Mark_Sadecki, Suzanne_Taylor, Leonie, Cynthia_Shelly, Judy, paulc
16:04:26 [MarkS]: rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:26 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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