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09:54:33 <fsasaki> meeting: bpmlod
09:54:41 <fsasaki> chair: jorge
09:54:43 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpmlod/2013Oct/0001.html
09:54:48 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
09:55:04 <fsasaki> regrets: gordon
09:55:13 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
09:55:34 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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10:02:29 <fsasaki> hi labra, all - we need to use an adhoc zakim bridge. How many people do we expect today?
10:04:08 <labra> I am not sure...
10:04:15 <labra> Probably not many
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10:04:32 <labra> I am trying to get access to the call using skype
10:04:34 <fsasaki> do you think a bridge for six people would be sufficient
10:04:41 <labra> probably so
10:04:50 <fsasaki> zakim, room for 6?
10:04:51 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; conference Team_(bpmlod)10:04Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1104Z
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10:05:07 <fsasaki> ok, we can use above bridge. Please dial in with passcode 26632
10:05:35 <Zakim> Team_(bpmlod)10:04Z has now started
10:05:42 <Zakim> +??P2
10:05:55 <Zakim> + +34.66.051.aaaa
10:05:57 <fsasaki> s/zakim, room for 6//
10:06:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
10:07:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
10:07:43 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
10:07:43 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
10:08:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:10:09 <fsasaki> regrests+ dom, john
10:10:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:10:50 <fsasaki> topic: name patterns
10:11:03 <fsasaki> jorge: started with naming, talked about descriptive URIs
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10:12:06 <fsasaki> jorge going through http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes
10:12:30 <mihael> hi all, sorry, I still don't know how to dial in
10:13:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:16:07 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
10:17:33 <mihael> yes felix, thank you, just took a while
10:17:46 <fsasaki> ok
10:17:51 <jorge_gracia> jose: changed local name by "Internationalized paths only"
10:18:05 <jorge_gracia> (proposal)
10:18:34 <fsasaki> +1 to internationalized path
10:20:04 <jorge_gracia> +1, clarifying that it might include fragment
10:20:17 <fsasaki> agree with jorge
10:20:51 <fsasaki> regrets+ dom, john
10:20:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:22:45 <jorge_gracia> internazionalised path. Pros:
10:23:07 <jorge_gracia> - less security risks
10:23:59 <jorge_gracia> - path readable for one languages
10:24:51 <jorge_gracia> Cons:
10:24:55 <jorge_gracia> - Unreadable for speakers of other languages
10:25:54 <fsasaki> dbpedia is a good example of that pattern
10:26:21 <fsasaki> s/dbpedia/jose: dbpedia/
10:26:24 <chaals> q+
10:26:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:26:38 <fsasaki> ack cha
10:27:11 <chaals> [example: namespace is http://w3.org/html so full name is http://w3.org/htmldiv]
10:27:11 <fsasaki> [apologies in advance, I have to leave in 5 min]
10:28:26 <fsasaki> present: vilasuero, fsasaki, jose, jorge, chaals, mihael
10:28:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:28:36 <chaals> [The problem case is where the namespace does not end in / or #, because it can be difficult to see where the term is]
10:29:12 <fsasaki> s/we need to use an adhoc zakim bridge//
10:29:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
10:29:26 <chaals> [On the plus side, copy-paste works fine even if you can't understand the text being copied]
10:29:40 <fsasaki> s/ok, we can use above bridge//
10:29:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html fsasaki
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10:30:07 <labra> Can you hear Chaals?
10:30:15 <labra> I cannot
10:30:25 <jorge_gracia> with difficulties
10:31:26 <chaals> The implication is that you should define prefixes that end with / or # ...
10:31:40 <fsasaki> [sorry, I have to go, bye]
10:31:42 <Zakim> -fsasaki
10:31:50 <dvilasuero> *everyone having trouble hearing here :(
10:31:50 <jorge_gracia> bye and thanks felix
10:31:53 <chaals> (already a common practice, but not universal and not technically required)
10:32:01 <labra> bye and thanks...
10:35:09 <jorge_gracia> we can include chaals' comment when formulate the best practise
10:35:45 <jorge_gracia> other pattern: Include Language in URIs
10:36:11 <jorge_gracia> Pros:
10:36:31 <jorge_gracia> - practical reasons: divide in different datasets, as in DBpedia
10:36:52 <jorge_gracia> Cons:
10:37:16 <jorge_gracia> - where do we put it? (beginning, end, ..)
10:37:59 <chaals> q+
10:38:21 <jorge_gracia> - dialects
10:38:38 <chaals> [what is the code for valenciano?]
10:38:58 <jorge_gracia> ack cha
10:42:20 <jorge_gracia> chaals: description of languages in the description of the resource not in the uri
10:43:28 <jorge_gracia> dani: "es" in dbpedia uri identifies not the language but the source
10:43:35 <chaals> s/languages in the/languages should be in the/
10:44:46 <chaals> q+
10:45:12 <labra> hy-Latin-IT-arevela
10:45:37 <jorge_gracia> ack ch
10:46:13 <jorge_gracia> chaals: using usi to identify language is a BAD practice
10:46:14 <chaals> [Don't rely on something in the URI to convey the language being used]
10:46:36 <dvilasuero> this is an example of a Lexicon in English hosted by the initiative linguistic.linkeddata.es, which is in fact linked to other lexica in many languages http://linguistic.linkeddata.es/terminesp/lexiconEN
10:50:11 <jorge_gracia>  Which pattern is better and for which requirements?
10:50:44 <jorge_gracia> descriptive: for English, latin alphabet
10:52:17 <jorge_gracia> jose: Add a column with this information
10:54:05 <jorge_gracia> Dani: study IDN more
10:54:59 <jorge_gracia> dani: deeper discusion needed
10:55:25 <jorge_gracia> before reaching conclusions
10:56:37 <chaals> [I have the email address chaals@яндекс.рф and it works fine]
11:00:22 <Zakim> -jose
11:00:24 <Zakim> -mihael
11:00:26 <Zakim> -chaals
11:00:29 <Zakim> -jorge
11:00:31 <Zakim> Team_(bpmlod)10:04Z has ended
11:00:31 <Zakim> Attendees were fsasaki, +34.66.051.aaaa, jose, [IPcaller], vilasuero, chaals, +3539149aabb, mihael
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11:00:56 <jorge_gracia> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:00:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/18-bpmlod-minutes.html jorge_gracia
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