IRC log of tt on 2013-10-17

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Zakim, this will be TTML

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 17 October 2013

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Zakim, this will be TTML

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ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 17 October 2013

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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Sean

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+glenn

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+Mike

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+pal

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+[Adobe]

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Zakim, Adobe is mijordan

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+mijordan; got it

14:09:12 [glenn]

scribenick: glenn

14:09:16 [glenn]

chair: sean

14:09:43 [glenn]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0040.html

14:09:53 [glenn]

ISSUE-275?

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ISSUE-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height 'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- closed

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275

14:10:08 [glenn]

sean: anything more on this?

14:10:25 [glenn]

mike: no need to reopen, can process open issues on this (283)

14:10:31 [glenn]

ISSUE-283?

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ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and presentation -- open

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283

14:11:12 [glenn]

glenn: let's discuss 284 first

14:11:16 [glenn]

ISSUE-284?

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ISSUE-284 -- value of lineHeight -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284

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14:18:46 [glenn]

sean: this is mostly related to ttml2 which is now being prescriptive instead of a recommendation

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+dsinger

14:21:57 [glenn]

sean: we could make this (the percentage) a rec in ttml2 as well, so there would be no conformance issue

14:23:34 [Dsinger]

It maps to a specific value on each platform, but maybe not the same value...

14:23:50 [glenn]

action: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then they should specify specific value

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Created ACTION-219 - Change to rec in ttml2, and add note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then they should specify specific value [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-10-24].

14:27:49 [glenn]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0010.html

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14:28:24 [glenn]

glenn: the above shows that the max height of all lines applies to the entire para

14:32:27 [glenn]

action: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph

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Created ACTION-220 - Investigate actual css behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-10-24].

14:33:06 [glenn]

action: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy

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Created ACTION-221 - Double check spec language on css and xsl-fo around line height stacking strategy [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-10-24].

14:34:23 [glenn]

ISSUE-283?

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ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and presentation -- open

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283

14:38:02 [glenn]

glenn: mentions ways to support downloaded fonts, using mechanism similar to SMPTE-TT for background images

14:38:30 [Dsinger]

I also was hoping for Philippe

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Am on a bus hence muted

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...and VTT

14:39:07 [glenn]

mike: in theory, someone at W3C received a SMPTE liaison statment, but it thasn't shown up here

14:39:33 [Dsinger]

As editor I could also share 1:1 with anyone curious

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Them mpeg file format folks

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14496

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action: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496

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Created ACTION-222 - Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-10-24].

14:40:44 [glenn]

mike: suggests checking with chris lilley or jean claude duford

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topic: imsc drafts

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pal: no changes since last week

14:42:27 [glenn]

... has generated some issues like 283

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... feedback in other forums (e.g., EBU)

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... expect some changes in coming weeks

14:43:09 [glenn]

... nothing concrete to report today

14:43:16 [Dsinger]

Back. Wifi troubles

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Philippe?

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Bus wifi is ... Fun

14:44:56 [Sean]

Yes we all are waiting for Philippe

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14:47:47 [Sean]

Does anyone have Phillipes cell number?

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617 417 9822

14:48:56 [Sean]

ok I will call him

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-glenn

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Zakim, mute Sean

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Sean should now be muted

14:49:11 [glenn]

just lost my connection

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will call back

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+glenn

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14:51:34 [glenn]

dsinger: devices vs general platforms

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... general platforms usually allow downloadable font resources

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... devices more specific to per region support

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14:53:14 [Dsinger]

For western languages there are free fonts, yes. For Asia, less so

14:53:42 [Sean]

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14:54:00 [Sean]

Philippe will be here shortly

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+Plh

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Good morning plh

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Yes

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Got an early bus

14:55:15 [glenn]

topic: ttwg charter

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I have mostly minor comments

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plh: have comments from pal

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... issue about external submissions?

14:55:53 [plh]

http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/

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Repeat 'that'?

14:56:19 [plh]

TTML Text and Image Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles and Captions

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Got it

14:56:25 [glenn]

plh: should IMSC be added to charter?

14:56:33 [glenn]

sean: should take opportunity to change date

14:56:37 [Dsinger]

Ok

14:57:04 [glenn]

plh: will link submission from charter; title can be changed

14:57:23 [glenn]

... are we all agreeing about rec track for imsc?

14:57:38 [glenn]

plh: would need implementations

14:58:05 [glenn]

sean: need to change name of TTML 1.1 to TTML2 in charter

14:58:05 [Dsinger]

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14:58:30 [glenn]

dsinger: some minor editorial comments

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what does "offline" media captioning

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should everything be useful for described video?

14:58:59 [pal]

Under "Liaisons with W3C Groups", I would add the Web&TV IG

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sean: must is a stretch for described video

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s/media captioning/media captioning mean?/

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dsinger: under deliverable 2, if "previously specified" then already in spec text

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pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some stuff"

15:01:07 [plh]

remove "previously specified but now"

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plh: can say "previously unspecified features"

15:01:21 [plh]

fix "Text Text"

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dsinger: should say something about CSS as a mapping

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plh: already have this via "mapping" activity

15:03:14 [plh]

move item 6 into item 1 (TTML 2)

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dsinger: surprised that 608/708 aren't mentioned under deliverables

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mike: notes that SMPTE TT has done this

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... nothing wrong with mentioning this in charter

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dsinger: can be mentioned as to be considered as opposed to new deliverable

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pal: plh did you catch the liaison with w3c groups?

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plh: yes

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> pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some stuff"< that was not pal

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pal: web & tv ig

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Obviously the chair name

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plh: will update no later than monday and send to list

15:07:19 [Dsinger]

I will forward to the CG. Don't forget to remove Sean as initial chair.

15:07:33 [Dsinger]

Yes

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VTT bug 20037 is close to fixed. Then FSA

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plh: may need separate telecoms for vtt related matters

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dsinger: should be able to get enough people to participate

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plh: group can decide on need for separate telecom

15:09:35 [Dsinger]

Send me email and I will follow up

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Email later is fine

15:10:02 [plh]

http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html

15:11:30 [glenn]

plh: how much time at TPAC on VTT?

15:11:49 [glenn]

dsinger: should allocate at least an hour

15:13:26 [glenn]

plh: possible sched for friday for VTT discussions

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plh: pick time and send to dsinger and silvia

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When send draft to AC?

15:14:59 [glenn]

sean, dsinger: think we don't need to hold up charter for VTT finalization

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dsinger: let's get charter in good shape and ready to send to AC first

15:16:05 [glenn]

... can get informal comments from AC

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plh: already did this back in May

15:16:32 [glenn]

pal: what is patent commit issue around VTT?

15:17:16 [glenn]

dsinger: need to do FSA pass to get commits from Silvia and other authors

15:17:40 [glenn]

dsinger: need a bug fixed first

15:18:04 [glenn]

dsinger: 20037 in bugzilla about H/V positioning

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plh: will update charter and send out by monday

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... then start internal review

15:19:08 [Dsinger]

Good

15:19:14 [glenn]

... will see about sending to AC for prelim review before TPAC, but if not then ASAP after TPAC

15:19:26 [glenn]

mike: how are we doing on IETF/IANA registration of TTML?

15:20:05 [glenn]

glenn: is there a new IANA tracking number?

15:20:25 [glenn]

plh: did resbumit with corrections before publication of TTML1SE

15:20:46 [glenn]

plh: will try to find tracker link and send that to WG

15:21:08 [glenn]

action: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit of MIME type registration

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Created ACTION-223 - Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-10-24].

15:21:46 [glenn]

sean: AOB?

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-mijordan

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sean: adjourned

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-Mike

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-pal

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-Plh

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-dsinger

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-Sean

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been Sean, glenn, Mike, pal, mijordan, dsinger, Plh

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then they should specify specific value [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-23-50

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ACTION: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-32-27

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ACTION: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-33-06

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ACTION: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-40-27

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ACTION: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit of MIME type registration [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T15-21-08

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