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14:58:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
14:58:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:12 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:58:12 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2013
14:58:19 <paulc> zakim, what is the meeting code?
14:58:19 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
14:58:28 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
14:58:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
14:58:48 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
14:58:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:59:16 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:59:16 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
14:59:48 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0014.html
14:59:55 <Zakim> +Niels_Thorwirth
15:00:12 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:00:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:00:40 <Zakim> +pladd
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15:01:43 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
15:01:52 <joesteele> Zakim, [Adobe] is me
15:01:53 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
15:02:05 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Niels_Thorwirth, pladd, joesteele
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15:02:32 <Zakim> +Glenn
15:02:45 <Zakim> +davide
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15:02:57 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Niels_Thorwirth, pladd, joesteele, Glenn, davide
15:03:00 <Zakim> + +1.425.936.aaaa
15:03:11 <ddorwin> zakim, aaaa is me
15:03:12 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:03:12 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:03:15 <glenn> zakim, Glenn is glenn
15:03:15 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:03:27 <Zakim> +pal
15:03:43 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Niels_Thorwirth, pladd, joesteele, glenn, davide, pal
15:04:10 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0014.html
15:04:11 <Zakim> +ddorwin
15:04:11 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:04:12 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:04:12 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
15:04:21 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:04:26 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Niels_Thorwirth, pladd, joesteele, glenn, davide, pal, adrianba
15:04:54 <joesteele> Scribe: joesteele
15:04:58 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:04:59 <joesteele> Chair: Paul Cotton
15:05:10 <joesteele> Topic: Agenda
15:05:17 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0014.html
15:05:34 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Niels_Thorwirth, pladd, joesteele, glenn, davide, pal, adrianba
15:05:46 <paulc> David: are you rejoining by phone?
15:05:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:07 <adrianba> s/David:/David,/
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15:06:37 <joesteele> Topic: previous minutes
15:06:45 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-html-media-minutes.html
15:06:58 <adrianba> q+
15:07:07 <joesteele> paulc: fairly detailed - skipping ACTION items since there is just one
15:07:12 <joesteele> topic: EME status and bugs
15:07:27 <joesteele> paulc: current draft has not been updated since Sept 17th?
15:07:28 <paulc> Current editor's draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:07:45 <joesteele> adrianba: updated this morning
15:08:02 <paulc> Curent bug count: http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:08:02 <joesteele> paulc: as of yesterday 20 bugs open
15:08:21 <joesteele> adrianba: resolved two bugs today
15:08:41 <joesteele> TOPIC: Dabids Open Bug Summary
15:08:43 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0001.html
15:08:47 <joesteele> s/Dabids/Davids/
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15:08:52 <Zakim> +BobLund
15:09:07 <joesteele> paulc: going to suggest we go down through the agenda and look at what we did last time
15:09:20 <joesteele> ... those actions may not have been done
15:09:24 <adrianba> q?
15:09:36 <joesteele> TOPIC: Bugs on the goal section
15:09:39 <adrianba> q-
15:09:42 <joesteele> paulc: 3 filed at the time of the CFC
15:09:43 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23340
15:09:46 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23341
15:09:49 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23342
15:09:51 <ddorwin> having phone problems....
15:09:56 <joesteele> ... short discussion of this last time
15:10:00 <Zakim> +ddorwin
15:10:03 <paulc> At the Oct 1 meeting the suggestion was to remove the Goals text that these  bugs are referring to.  Next steps?
15:10:14 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:10:18 <joesteele> ... seemed to be some discussion of taking away the offending text in the goal section
15:10:24 <joesteele> ... want to return to this now?
15:10:59 <joesteele> ... should we assign to someone to deal with these three bugs?
15:11:13 <adrianba> q+
15:11:29 <paulc> ack adrian
15:11:29 <joesteele> adrianba: readinf the bug -- think they have the same resolution
15:11:39 <joesteele> s/readinf/reading/
15:11:49 <Zakim> + +1.425.605.aabb
15:11:54 <ddorwin> zakim, aabb is me
15:11:54 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:12:05 <joesteele> adrianba: someone asking for use cases
15:12:36 <joesteele> paulc: so you are saying 23341 and 23342
15:12:40 <paulc> 23341 and 23342 are about the Goals while 23340 is about the Intro
15:12:56 <joesteele> paulc: how to deal with these?
15:13:07 <joesteele> ... assign to to someone, proposed action
15:13:24 <joesteele> adrianba: proposal was made to remove the goal section -- is there consensus?
15:13:50 <joesteele> glenn: proposed we remove the goals section
15:13:54 <paulc> Glenn supports removing the Goals section.
15:13:55 <pal> I second
15:14:18 <joesteele> paulc: anyone who can't live with that?
15:14:32 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:14:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:14:39 <joesteele> .. then proposed to resolve 41 and 42 by removing the goals section and ask the editors to take care of it
15:14:57 <paulc> s/41/23341/
15:15:04 <paulc> s/42/23342/
15:15:23 <joesteele> paulc: do we want to do anything about the intor related bug?
15:15:29 <joesteele> s/intor/intro/
15:15:42 <joesteele> ... noone from task force has responded
15:16:16 <ddorwin> q+
15:16:26 <joesteele> pal: if we remove that sentence - to the end that might resovle this
15:16:34 <joesteele> s/resovle/resolve/
15:16:36 <paulc> See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#introduction
15:16:48 <joesteele> ... could remove or change to read "this is an example flow"
15:17:03 <paulc> "This is just an example flow and is not intended to show all possible communication or uses."
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15:17:10 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:17:12 <joesteele> pal: removing probably does not hurt much
15:17:38 <joesteele> ... figure below just illustrates the API
15:18:12 <ddorwin> How about: "This is just an example flow; other combinations of APIs and events are possible."
15:18:17 <joesteele> paulc: wonder if the right way to do this is to state factually what is there?
15:18:29 <paulc> This diagram shows some of the interactions between the components making up a EME implementation.
15:18:44 <joesteele> glenn: figure itself probably needs some updating
15:18:54 <adrianba> I have removed the goals section and resolved 23341 and 23342
15:19:33 <joesteele> ddorwin: will do that once other items have stabilized
15:20:08 <joesteele> paulc: this is not meant to be proscriptive right?
15:21:29 <paulc> What about "This diagram shows an example flow:  other combinations of API calls and events are possible."
15:21:41 <joesteele> paulc: what about this?
15:21:49 <ddorwin> +1
15:21:53 <joesteele> ddorwin: sounds good to me
15:21:54 <joesteele> +1
15:22:12 <joesteele> paulc: proposal is to resolve 23340 with that text
15:22:27 <joesteele> ... should remind the person in the bug that this text is non-normative
15:22:51 <joesteele> ddorwin: they are worried that this is not showing all messages
15:22:59 <joesteele> paulc: editors will respond to this then
15:23:22 <joesteele> ... want to go over the tasks from last meeting
15:23:32 <joesteele> topic: Bugs from last meeting
15:23:34 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
15:23:49 <paulc> Next step: Update spec with resolution for issues 1 and 2.
15:24:00 <joesteele> paulc: adrian is this what you actually did?
15:24:11 <joesteele> s/adrian is/Adrian is/
15:24:28 <adrianba> I have resolved 23340
15:24:41 <paulc> Marked as RESOLVED FIXED.  See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854#c22
15:25:03 <joesteele> adrianba: was actually three small simple changes to remove the keyadded event
15:25:13 <joesteele> ... the step that added it, the mention and the table entry
15:25:21 <joesteele> subtopic: bug 19809
15:25:23 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19809
15:25:39 <paulc> Next step: David will re-evaluate 19809 after Ade's changes 21854 are completed.
15:25:47 <joesteele> paulc: still pending?
15:25:54 <joesteele> ddorwin: yes will take care of now
15:26:05 <joesteele> paulc: need more help from TF?
15:26:25 <joesteele> ddorwin: will read through updated text and see if anything is relevant
15:26:48 <joesteele> subtopic: bug 17202
15:26:52 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17202
15:26:56 <paulc> ACTION-40?
15:26:57 <trackbot> ACTION-40 -- Joe Steele to Propose text for bug 17202 to propose how to share keys without leakage of information -- due 2013-10-15 -- OPEN
15:26:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/40
15:27:07 <joesteele> joesteele: not completed
15:27:23 <paulc> ACTION-40 is due Oct 29
15:27:39 <adrianba> ACTION-40 due oct 29
15:27:39 <trackbot> Set ACTION-40 Propose text for bug 17202 to propose how to share keys without leakage of information due date to 2013-10-29.
15:28:00 <joesteele> paulc: last item from last time
15:28:09 <joesteele> Topic: Open Bugs from Davids list
15:28:20 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0001.html
15:28:36 <adrianba> q+
15:29:34 <paulc> ack dd
15:29:46 <joesteele> ddorwin: 17682 we did talk about and just need to resolve
15:29:47 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:29:50 <paulc> 17682 P2 Clear Key: Document how keys and key IDs are associated
15:30:23 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17862 is in David's hands for implementation
15:30:25 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17682
15:30:37 <joesteele> subtopic: bug 17750
15:30:53 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
15:30:55 <joesteele> paulc: you and Adrian were talking about this, what is this status now?
15:31:23 <joesteele> adrianba: on this, I updated the link when I was editing this morning, rest is for David