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11:48:21 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT WG
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11:48:25 <fsasaki> chair: felix
11:48:38 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Oct/0004.html
11:48:50 <fsasaki> regrets: David, Yves, Arle
11:53:31 <kfritsche> present+ Karl
11:53:42 <fsasaki> present+ felix
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12:02:08 <fsasaki> scribe: kfritsche
12:02:27 <Jirka> present+ Jirka
12:02:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
12:03:39 <fsasaki> present+ tadej
12:03:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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12:05:12 <fsasaki> topic: agenda
12:05:23 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Oct/0004.html
12:05:29 <fsasaki> present+ pedro
12:06:06 <fsasaki> topic: IMPORTANT items before this week's call
12:06:08 <kfritsche> no objections to the agenda
12:06:12 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Oct/0001.html
12:07:00 <kfritsche> daveL: please vote for ITS (AC reps)
12:07:01 <fsasaki> NOTE:  23:59, Boston time on 2013-10-21 is the deadline for the AC review
12:07:39 <fsasaki> see summary of the schema issue from Jirka at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Oct/0002.html
12:07:59 <kfritsche> daveL: we had NEL and spec is already changed
12:09:03 <kfritsche> ... it was a inconsistency and co-chairs agreed that this is a editoral change
12:09:16 <fsasaki> [FYI, see confirmation from Yves that the schema and test file change does not influence implementation from yves http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Oct/0003.html ]
12:09:41 <kfritsche> ... becuase doesn't change any implementation
12:09:49 <fsasaki> s/becuase/because/
12:11:28 <kfritsche> Jirka: problem is that there is maybe other inconsistencies and maybe we could set the schema as non-normative
12:11:53 <kfritsche> ... to define which has more weight and overrule
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12:12:39 <kfritsche> fsasaki: one thing would be to say schema is non-normative - what is the other one?
12:12:44 <fsasaki> present+ pablo
12:12:55 <kfritsche> daveL: just change the schema
12:13:04 <kfritsche> ... and leave it normative
12:13:24 <omstefanov> The change made in schema can be defined as an editorial correction, especially if all re-run tests show no changes. Changing the schema to non-normative may, though, require a next call.
12:14:23 <kfritsche> fsasaki: Have another idea -  go back to marc smith and ask if this change would make sense, as it doesn't make sense to have things defined at two places
12:14:32 <fsasaki> s/marc/mike/
12:15:47 <fsasaki> appendix d: "The following schemas define ITS elements and attributes and can be used as building blocks when you want to integrate ITS markup ..."
12:15:57 <kfritsche> Jirka: people maybe could think that schema also covers HTML, which it doesn't, so maybe it would be wise to make it non-normative
12:17:20 <fsasaki> karl: what is - if we change to non-normative, is it an editorial correction or do we have to new last call?
12:18:04 <kfritsche> fsasaki: don't know yet, both options could be a substantive change
12:19:03 <kfritsche> fsasaki: will talk about this with the W3C Management and presenting both options
12:19:55 <fsasaki> s/have to/have to make a/
12:20:25 <kfritsche> omstefanov: we shouldn't have defined normative in two different places, so it is better to change it to non-normative
12:21:00 <pnietoca> +1 to what Olaf have said
12:21:02 <kfritsche> ... and we should talk with the W3C if we have to do a new last call
12:21:18 <kfritsche> daveL: it wasn't normative in ITS1.0
12:21:57 <kfritsche> omstefanov: who did the decision to make this normative, as it wasn't normative in 1.0
12:22:49 <kfritsche> fsasaki: in ITS1.0 it was just generated, so there we no discussion about this in 1.0
12:24:06 <kfritsche> pedro: we are relaxing the recommandation, as we removing things and not adding
12:24:14 <kfritsche> ... the other way around would be much worse
12:24:48 <fsasaki> topic: voting about changes
12:25:19 <fsasaki> 1) are we happy about the schema correction that has been made
12:25:48 <fsasaki> 2) are we happy to change the schema annex to be non-normative, to be consistent with spec
12:26:27 <fsasaki> (schema was non-normative in ITS 1.0, no record of how the schema became normative)
12:26:35 <kfritsche> +1 to both
12:26:43 <daveL> +1 for question 1 and question 2
12:26:51 <omstefanov> +1 to both
12:26:55 <pedro> +1 question 1 and 2
12:26:58 <Jirka> +1 to both
12:26:59 <Ankit> +1 for question 1 and 2
12:27:01 <fsasaki> +1 to both
12:27:11 <pnietoca> 1) Yes I'm happy with the schema correction, it was obviously a editorial change +1
12:27:35 <pnietoca> 2) +1 as Jirka and Olaf stated it makes sense
12:27:51 <omstefanov> do we also want to back this up with replies by all testers, that their test results are unchanged after the schema correction.
12:29:18 <fsasaki> action: felix to go back to w3c mgmt with WG opinion on the changes
12:29:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-566 - Go back to w3c mgmt with wg opinion on the changes [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-10-16].
12:30:28 <fsasaki> topic: deliverables
12:30:45 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Deliverables#Deliverables_howto
12:31:19 <kfritsche> pedro: uploaded pdf for 3.2.2 to the page
12:31:33 <kfritsche> ... HTML summery is in work
12:32:34 <kfritsche> fsasaki: people from missing deliverables are not on the call, so moving to other questions
12:32:53 <pnietoca> s/summery/summary/
12:33:01 <kfritsche> ... is there a volunteer to review the work from tadej?
12:33:19 <kfritsche> daveL: I can do it
12:33:34 <fsasaki> d 3.1.1 "Drupal Modules"
12:33:42 <kfritsche> fsasaki: is there a volunteer to review the drupal modules (3.1.1)
12:33:55 <kfritsche> tadej: I can do it
12:34:43 <kfritsche> ... can do it by next week monday
12:35:19 <fsasaki> "D3.1.5 	Report on LT-Web Processing in the CMS"
12:37:09 <kfritsche> omstefanov: where are the documents?
12:37:34 <kfritsche> fsasaki: written to the internal partners mailing list
12:37:52 <pedro> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Deliverables
12:37:52 <kfritsche> kfritsche: will send link for 3.1.5. around again
12:39:04 <fsasaki> "D5.1.1 	Drupal MT Training Module"
12:39:32 <kfritsche> kfritsche: working on it, trying end of next week
12:39:55 <fsasaki> "D5.2 	Metadata-Aware MT Training Tools 	3"
12:39:59 <kfritsche> fsasaki: important is that we finish it within the end of October
12:40:21 <kfritsche> Ankit: resending 5.2 to the list
12:40:29 <kfritsche> daveL: can do this
12:40:34 <kfritsche> pedro: can give a hand too
12:41:34 <kfritsche> pedro: only one comment, we agreed with vistatec - any change in D3.2.2 have to be done before 15.10.
12:42:12 <kfritsche> fsasaki: this should have priority then
12:42:28 <kfritsche> s/3.2.2./3.2.3.
12:42:53 <fsasaki> topic: f2f meeting
12:43:28 <kfritsche> daveL: pedro send around a word document with all the details
12:43:52 <kfritsche> pedro: If somebody can create the page, I will add the details there
12:44:54 <kfritsche> pedro: I waiting for a link from the hotel, for reservations
12:45:08 <kfritsche> ... we also need to create a agenda
12:45:20 <kfritsche> ... also I have to find two nice places for dinner
12:46:15 <kfritsche> omstefanov: pedro can you send the details to me too, as I need to make the flight arrangement soon
12:46:26 <kfritsche> daveL: will create the wiki page soon
12:46:47 <kfritsche> pedro: I can send the email to you
12:47:39 <kfritsche> daveL: We need to define the agenda and define what we want to present there
12:48:02 <kfritsche> ... in theory we shouldn't have any discussion open for the standard
12:48:17 <kfritsche> fsasaki: depending on the first topic today, but hopefully not
12:48:29 <kfritsche> ... we have to discuss the outcome of the project
12:49:20 <kfritsche> ... finalizing "easy outreach" (like videos, or similar)
12:50:31 <kfritsche> ... defining objectives of the IG and organizational stuff for the IG (call times, meetings, ...)
12:51:02 <kfritsche> daveL: make sure we wrapped up all deliverables, as this will be the last F2F before the last review
12:51:23 <kfritsche> ... fit very well with the topic what the overall message is
12:52:35 <omstefanov> Please, can we keep http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Main_Page#Meetings up-to-date. Today's meeting is neither in Upcoming nor in Past.
12:52:59 <kfritsche> daveL: we might want to get sure to separate all parts, so not everybody has to stay for everything if not interested in some parts, like IG
12:53:43 <omstefanov> Especially as the group winds up we should have the minutes and recording of all our meetings complete. People will soon be cleaning up their email archives, and expect to depend on the wiki to find things.
12:54:05 <kfritsche> pedro: create a whitepaper (4-5 pages) with all the information we can use to spead the word
12:54:47 <fsasaki> [omstefanov, you are right, by bad]
12:55:36 <kfritsche> ... maybe we could do a article in magazin and writing follow-ups each month for the different parts
12:55:41 <fsasaki> "D6.3.2 LT-Web Press Kit and Brochure"
12:55:47 <omstefanov> If Arle could have a draft of the white paper by Madrid, the draft could be part of the Madrid f2f agenda
12:56:03 <kfritsche> fsasaki: I can talk with Arle about the white paper, which also could fit as D6.3.2
12:56:52 <fsasaki> action: felix to talk to arle about outreach, see items http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-irc#T12-56-03
12:56:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-567 - Talk to arle about outreach, see items http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-irc#t12-56-03 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-10-16].
12:57:06 <kfritsche> fsasaki: for the magazine I'm not sure if somebody has the time to do this
12:57:40 <kfritsche> pedro: we only need to discuss how this collaboration could work with two or three magazines till end of december
12:58:54 <daveL> I have to leave now.
12:59:17 <fsasaki> thanks a lot, daveL
12:59:56 <kfritsche> fsasaki: we don't need a call next week
13:00:13 <kfritsche> ... will keep you informed about the first topi
13:00:24 <kfritsche> s/topi/topic/
13:00:58 <kfritsche> pedro: daveL please tell me when the wiki page for the F2F is up, then I will add all the information there
13:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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14:44:33 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:44:33 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-actions.rdf :
14:44:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to go back to w3c mgmt with WG opinion on the changes [1]
14:44:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-irc#T12-29-18
14:44:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to talk to arle about outreach, see items http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-irc#T12-56-03 [2]
14:44:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/09-mlw-lt-irc#T12-56-52
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