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15:00:21 <chaals> trackbot, start meeting
15:00:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:00:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago
15:00:26 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:00:26 <trackbot> Date: 03 October 2013
15:00:33 <chaals> agenda?
15:00:36 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
15:00:45 <Zakim> +MarkS
15:01:01 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:01:29 <chaals> agenda+ longdesc testing
15:01:38 <chaals> agenda+ longdesc last call comments
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15:01:56 <chaals> agenda+ consensus procedures
15:02:13 <chaals> agenda+ other business?
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15:02:34 <Zakim> + +1.201.785.aaaa
15:02:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:00 <chaals> zakim, [IPc is me
15:03:00 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:03:29 <chaals> zakim, aaaa is Suzanne
15:03:29 <Zakim> +Suzanne; got it
15:03:55 <Zakim> +Judy
15:04:47 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:05:03 <chaals> scribe: Suzanne
15:05:15 <chaals> scribeNick: st
15:05:27 <chaals> Topic: longdesc Testing
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15:06:20 <st> testing document call for consensus on tests had very low turnout
15:06:23 <paulc> zakim, what is the code
15:06:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', paulc
15:06:37 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:06:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
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15:06:48 <MarkS> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/longdesc-tests/ Longdesc testing WBS
15:06:54 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:57 <st> appear that we have tests, though
15:07:05 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has me
15:07:05 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:07:39 <st> we need people who are able to run api tests
15:07:54 <chaals> s/appear/Chaals: appear/
15:08:14 <chaals> ACTION: marks to test longdesc in APIs
15:08:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-200 - Test longdesc in apis [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-10-10].
15:08:59 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:09:34 <st> ??: implementing long desc shouldn't be too diffult on brower side; validation seems okay - there are validators like that
15:09:42 <chaals> s/??/chaals
15:10:25 <st> question was raised: should we extend the survey
15:10:33 <st> chaals: not sure if it would help
15:11:36 <st> JF: the tests look complete
15:12:02 <st> chaals: we may need 2-3 people to really focus on viewing the tests
15:12:44 <st> chaals: it is very useful to have people look over the tests
15:13:03 <st> JF: will take a look; 60-70% through already
15:13:17 <chaals> Topic: longdesc comment processing
15:13:51 <st> chaals: we have a wiki page with the comments that came in
15:14:30 <MarkS> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Longdesc-comments Longdesc comments wiki page
15:14:35 <st> chaals: we will go through a call for consensus process on each comment and if we agree with each, we will provide that as a comment and see how it goes; feel free to edit the wiki or write to the list
15:14:46 <st> chaals: in connection with any comment
15:14:56 <st> chaals: has anyone taken a look
15:15:20 <st> ??: took a look and made some edits; may need to edits to soften the language
15:15:30 <chaals> s/??/MarkS/
15:16:24 <chaals> Topic: Consensus Procedures
15:16:25 <st> janina: Steve F's document explains what the different browsers do
15:16:40 <st> with LD
15:16:43 <MarkS> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html Consensus Procedure flowchart and email announcement
15:16:44 <MarkS> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-html-a11y/2013Oct/att-0001/consensus-procedures.html Consensus Procedure Text
15:17:26 <st> chaals: a couple editorial changes
15:18:25 <st> replies will need to be on email or on survey, not in a teleconference
15:18:28 <paulc> q+
15:18:36 <st> change in how days are counted
15:18:40 <chaals> ack pau
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15:19:10 <st> Paul: why does PF need a meeting to kick off a question?
15:19:42 <st> Chaals: PF wanted to be sure that a topic when open could be discussed in a teleconference
15:20:45 <st> Chaals: 3 working days minimum and 7 consecutive days were mentioned
15:21:15 <chaals> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/att-0013/consensus-procedures.html text of new proposal
15:21:36 <chaals> s|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html Consensus Procedure flowchart and email announcement||
15:22:06 <chaals> s|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-html-a11y/2013Oct/att-0001/consensus-procedures.html Consensus Procedure Text|
15:22:14 <st> Paul?: the three working days would have to include a Thursday in order to allow the teleconference
15:23:09 <st> Chaals: this policy doesn't use the teleconference to make the decision, just should be possible to get questions answered in a teleconference during the period
15:23:15 <JF> me/ still cannot access that URL
15:23:28 <Judy> q+
15:23:36 <chaals> ack ju
15:23:46 <st> group: PF relies on teleconference and HTML doesn't work that way, this is some compromise
15:24:23 <st> JB: the intent was not emulate either, but to tailor to the needs of this taskforce
15:25:02 <st> JB: taskforce needs to be able to set up it's own working processes, but is subject to the processes of the working groups, when the specs come up for publication there
15:26:16 <st> group: there are enough changes here, we'll have to re-run the CFC
15:26:58 <st> chaals: further business? subteam reports?
15:27:25 <st> ??: will the TF review the last call of MSE, which closes Oct 17
15:27:52 <st> chaals: will take action to ensure it is placed on a future agenda
15:28:07 <st> (seems to be concern there is little time)
15:28:24 <chaals> s/??/PaulC
15:28:27 <MarkS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
15:29:14 <st> group: Media Streaming Extensions - output from the media task force - will probably go to CR quickly - we should look at it for sure
15:29:46 <st> chaals: let's close call and spend next 30 minutes to do longdesc tests, review MSE, or other useful tasks
15:29:56 <st> JB: we should get volunteers to do this
15:30:06 <MarkS> ACTION: Mark to look at MSE Spec
15:30:06 <trackbot> 'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., mhakkine, msadecki, mwatson2).
15:30:56 <st> group: unclear that we'll have anyone look. janina had expressed concerns
15:31:18 <chaals> ACTION: chaals to look for review of MSE in the TF
15:31:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-201 - Look for review of mse in the tf [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-10-10].
15:32:52 <David> q+
15:32:57 <chaals> ack dav
15:33:05 <MarkS> ACTION: msadecki to look at MSE Spec
15:33:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Look at mse spec [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-10-10].
15:33:16 <st> david: does anyone have info on what janina's concern was?
15:33:34 <JF> Q+
15:34:10 <st> Marks: can ping janina or search previous minutes
15:34:11 <chaals> ack jf
15:34:29 <st> JF: looked at MSE on a high level, and didn't see concerns
15:34:48 <MarkS> s/Marks/PC
15:35:01 <st> JF: might be good for a11y
15:36:08 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:36:09 <st> group: generally still a need for more review for this if anyone is available
15:36:15 <paulc> Thanks and bye
15:36:18 <Zakim> -Judy
15:36:19 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:36:20 <Zakim> -chaals
15:36:21 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:36:22 <Zakim> -Suzanne
15:36:23 <Zakim> -MarkS
15:36:25 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:36:25 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:36:25 <Zakim> Attendees were MarkS, David_MacDonald, +1.201.785.aaaa, [IPcaller], chaals, Suzanne, Judy, John_Foliot, paulc, Cynthia_Shelly
15:36:29 <chaals> [thankst Suzanne for scribing]
15:36:51 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
15:37:11 <st> thanks chaals, sorry I didn't have the best phone connection and sstill trying to learn the voices
15:40:23 <chaals> s/janina: Steve F's document explains what the different browsers do//
15:40:30 <chaals> s/with LD//
15:41:16 <chaals> i/Topic: longdesc comment/[Steve F documented how different browsers handle longdesc in accessibilty APIs]
15:41:37 <chaals> s/replies will need/... replies will need/
15:42:36 <chaals> s/change in how days are counted/... changed term "natural days" to "consecutive days"
15:43:21 <chaals> s/group/chaals/
15:43:31 <chaals> s/group/chaals/
15:43:38 <chaals> s/group/Paul
15:43:49 <chaals> Chair: chaals
15:44:21 <chaals> Present: PaulC, JF, Suzanne, MarkS, Judy, DavidM
15:44:28 <chaals> regrets: Janina
15:44:40 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:44:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
15:45:53 <chaals> s/thanks chaals, sorry I didn't have the best phone connection and sstill trying to learn the voices/
15:46:30 <chaals> s/group/Cynthia/
15:46:37 <chaals> Present+ Cynthia
15:46:50 <chaals> s/Paul?/Paul/
15:47:32 <chaals> s/question was raised/MarkS/
15:48:03 <chaals> s/we may need 2/Even big groups like webapps might only get 2/
15:48:44 <chaals> s/look over the tests/look over and reply on even just some of the tests/
15:49:12 <chaals> s/we need people who/... we need people who/
15:49:18 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:49:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
15:49:27 <MarkS> thanks for cleaning those up
15:52:18 <chaals> s/thanks for cleaning those up//
15:52:45 <chaals> s/testing document call/Chaals: call/
15:52:51 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
15:53:46 <chaals> s/why does PF/why does the Task Force/
15:54:19 <chaals> s/PF wanted/We don't. PF wanted/
15:55:20 <chaals> s/group: /Cynthia: /
15:55:43 <chaals> s/Cynthia: there are/Paul: there are/
15:55:53 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:55:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
16:09:13 <st> chaals - wow great job with the clean up, thx chaals
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