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15:04:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:04:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
15:04:46 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:04:46 <trackbot> Date: 24 September 2013
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15:05:35 <adrianba> zakim, this is HTML_WG
15:05:35 <Zakim> ok, adrianba; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
15:05:44 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.310.210.aaaa, Mark_Watson, Aaron_Colwell, +1.760.591.aabb, +44.303.040.aacc, [Microsoft]
15:05:55 <davide> zakim, aacc is me
15:05:55 <Zakim> +davide; got it
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15:06:15 <adrianba_> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:06:15 <Zakim> +adrianba_; got it
15:06:48 <markw> Zakim, Mark_Watson is markw
15:06:48 <Zakim> +markw; got it
15:07:22 <adrianba_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0030.html
15:07:29 <adrianba_> ScribeNick: adrianba_
15:07:37 <adrianba_> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:07:46 <adrianba_> Chair: Aaron Colwell
15:08:00 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
15:08:05 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aadd
15:08:08 <adrianba_> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.310.210.aaaa, markw, Aaron_Colwell, +1.760.591.aabb, davide, adrianba_, +1.303.661.aadd
15:08:20 <BobLund> zakim, aadd is me
15:08:20 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:08:28 <pladd> Zakim, aabb is me
15:08:28 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
15:08:45 <adrianba_> zakim, aaaa is pal
15:08:45 <Zakim> +pal; got it
15:08:55 <adrianba_> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see pal, markw, Aaron_Colwell, pladd, davide, adrianba_, BobLund
15:09:02 <Zakim> + +33.1.45.81.aaee
15:09:12 <adrianba_> acolwell: looks like we have everybody
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15:09:21 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
15:09:28 <adrianba_> acolwell: was a while ago
15:09:40 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Review of action items and issues
15:09:41 <cyril> zakim, who's here ?
15:09:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see pal, markw, Aaron_Colwell, pladd, davide, adrianba_, BobLund, +33.1.45.81.aaee
15:09:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see cyril, adrianba_, pladd, BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, adrianba, acolwell, davide, markw, wseltzer
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15:09:48 <cyril> zakim, +33 is me
15:09:48 <Zakim> +cyril; got it
15:09:48 <adrianba_> acolwell: all actions currently are for EME
15:09:56 <adrianba_> TOPIC: MSE status and bugs
15:10:04 <adrianba_> acolwell: only 3 right now
15:10:33 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
15:10:43 <joesteele> Zakim, [Adobe] is me
15:10:43 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
15:11:11 <adrianba_> acolwell: last call closes on oct 17 - no major bugs filed yet
15:11:27 <adrianba_> ... i updated the draft last night to deal with a trivial edit with an extra semicolon
15:11:56 <adrianba_> cyril: what about the createObjectURL we talked about by email - should i file a bug for this?
15:12:10 <adrianba_> acolwell: i think most of this needs to be solved in the HTML5 spec
15:12:19 <adrianba_> ... since it affects all the resource load algorithm
15:12:28 <adrianba_> ... would hate to try to rewrite that in MSE
15:12:45 <adrianba_> ... happy to have MSE eventually use that but better to have HTML5 do this
15:13:00 <adrianba_> cyril: should we tell the HTML5 editors about this?
15:13:16 <adrianba_> acolwell: i assume the media streams thread originally doing that was doing that
15:13:18 <adrianba_> q+
15:13:56 <adrianba_> ack me
15:14:10 <adrianba_> adrianba_: i suggest that you file a bug on HTML5 and point to the public-html-media thread
15:14:13 <adrianba_> acolwell: moving on to bugs
15:14:21 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Bug 22371 - [MSE] Ogg byte streams
15:14:23 <acolwell> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22371
15:14:45 <adrianba_> acolwell: this is a bug that came in after pre-last call period about adding Ogg to the spec
15:14:54 <adrianba_> ... i commented saying it shouldn't go into the main spec
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15:15:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:15:13 <adrianba_> ... i think the main issue right now is to file a bug proposing a registry
15:15:28 <adrianba_> ... but i think we were waiting for the person proposing this to respond
15:15:49 <adrianba_> ... leaving it to the people that want Ogg introduced to make an alternative proposal
15:15:58 <adrianba_> ACTION: acolwell to file bug about media format registry
15:15:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - File bug about media format registry [on Aaron Colwell - due 2013-10-01].
15:16:10 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Bug 22432 - Allow SourceBuffer.appendBuffer to take ownership of the ArrayBuffer
15:16:20 <acolwell> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22432
15:16:29 <adrianba_> acolwell: this one we discussed in the past
15:16:30 <adrianba_> q+
15:16:45 <adrianba_> ... i thought our resolution was to do nothing but we didn't close the bug
15:16:47 <adrianba_> ack me
15:17:32 <cyril> q+
15:18:41 <adrianba_> adrianba_: we don't plan to update our implementation currently
15:19:03 <adrianba_> ... the two choices we have are to change the spec (and risk it changing again) and maybe get stuck in CR because noone implements this
15:19:18 <adrianba_> ... or we could leave it undefined in this version of MSE and come back to it in future
15:19:27 <adrianba_> ack cy
15:19:44 <adrianba_> cyril: a clarification - i can't find a definition for neutered concept
15:20:16 <adrianba_> acolwell: i have only seen it in this comment - in Chromium we only use this in WebAudio and there is no way to unneuter buffers
15:20:25 <adrianba_> ... so i don't think it is formally defined yet
15:20:46 <adrianba_> cyril: the Typed Array spec says that the buffer is size 0 while neutered
15:20:59 <adrianba_> acolwell: basically the idea is to hide the content so you can't modify it during the append
15:21:27 <adrianba_> ... it doesn't seem like it is quite well defined - maybe it is in the Khronos spec - we should look
15:21:52 <adrianba_> ... since we allow ArrayBufferView to be appended does it neuter the parent buffer too?
15:22:07 <adrianba_> ... i can respond to this bug and outline some of the things we've discussed here and see what they say
15:22:19 <adrianba_> acolwell: any other questions?
15:22:28 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Bug 23169 - reconsider the jitter video quality metrics again
15:22:32 <acolwell> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23169
15:22:56 <adrianba_> acolwell: this one was filed by dsinger to open the discussion again about the jitter metric
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15:23:05 <adrianba_> ... mark and i also replied
15:23:20 <adrianba_> ... i was waiting for mark or dsinger to comment on my reply
15:23:28 <adrianba_> ... i need feedback to know if there is an action for me to take
15:23:39 <markw> I haven't reviewed your response yet
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15:23:46 <markw> I wil do it now ;-)
15:24:07 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Bug 23272 - [MSE] Extra ; at the end of the totalFrameDelay declaration
15:24:09 <adrianba_> acolwell: this is done
15:24:19 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Any other business
15:24:29 <adrianba_> acolwell: anything else people would like to talk about
15:24:49 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:24:50 <Zakim> -pal
15:24:50 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:24:52 <Zakim> -adrianba_
15:24:52 <adrianba_> ... next week is EME
15:24:53 <Zakim> -davide
15:24:53 <Zakim> -markw
15:24:54 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:24:57 <adrianba_> ... talk in two weeks
15:25:00 <adrianba_> TOPIC: Adjournment
15:25:06 <Zakim> -pladd
15:25:08 <adrianba_> acolwell: adjourned
15:25:09 <Zakim> -Aaron_Colwell
15:25:13 <Zakim> -cyril
15:25:14 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
15:25:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.310.210.aaaa, Aaron_Colwell, +1.760.591.aabb, +44.303.040.aacc, davide, adrianba_, markw, +1.303.661.aadd, BobLund, pladd, pal, +33.1.45.81.aaee, cyril,
15:25:14 <Zakim> ... joesteele, [Microsoft]
15:25:16 <adrianba_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:25:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/24-html-media-minutes.html adrianba_
15:25:21 <adrianba_> rrsagent, make logs public
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