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20:59:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
20:59:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM already started
20:59:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
20:59:32 <trackbot> Date: 18 September 2013
20:59:57 <janina> zakim, who's here?
20:59:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1
20:59:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jasonjgw, richardschwerdtfeger, smaug, MichaelC, janina, eeejay, trackbot
21:00:53 <Zakim> +Rich
21:01:00 <jasonjgw> zakim, ??P0 is jasonjgw
21:01:00 <Zakim> +jasonjgw; got it
21:01:38 <janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
21:01:39 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
21:01:39 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
21:01:39 <janina> agenda+ TPAC2013 http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2013
21:01:39 <janina> agenda+ Editor's Report
21:01:41 <janina> agenda+ Events Requirements Update http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
21:01:44 <janina> agenda+ Events Testing Update
21:01:46 <janina> agenda+ User Context Update
21:01:49 <janina> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
21:01:52 <janina> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
21:01:55 <janina> agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 2 October at 21:00Z)
21:01:57 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
21:02:21 <Zakim> +??P3
21:02:43 <janina>  zakim, take up item 1
21:02:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
21:02:53 <janina> agenda?
21:03:05 <Zakim> +??P4
21:03:37 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P4 is Andy_Heath
21:03:37 <Zakim> +Andy_Heath; got it
21:04:30 <andy> andy has joined #indie-ui
21:07:56 <janina> scribe: andy
21:08:05 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
21:08:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
21:08:22 <andy> can you hear this keybparrd
21:10:55 <jasonjgw> Andy: Liaison between various ISO groups and it is hoped that need/preference ideas will be integrated into the Internet of things work. This may raise questions for consideration by the group regarding applicability of the User contexts technology to some of their work.
21:11:56 <jasonjgw> Andy acknowledges the challenge of harmonization, given the number of groups coming together around the need/preference profile idea.
21:12:40 <andy> Michael: does an Accessiweb conference annually
21:12:58 <andy> s/^/Braillenet
21:13:17 <MichaelC> http://inova.snv.jussieu.fr/evenements/colloques/colloques/82_index_en.html#contenu
21:14:26 <andy> Michael : conference date is 2013-03-31
21:15:07 <andy> Andy might be the cheapest to go
21:17:29 <andy> Andy is interested to go but would need to find funding
21:18:50 <janina> zakim, next item
21:18:50 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC2013 http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2013" taken up [from janina]
21:19:41 <andy> Janina: chinese visas can be hard to get - there have been sme changes - recommend call the consulate before going to get a visa
21:20:08 <andy> Janina - follow the TPAC URL for more info
21:20:45 <janina> zakim, next item
21:20:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Editor's Report" taken up [from janina]
21:21:46 <andy> Last commit was 2st Aug
21:21:55 <andy> s/2st/s1st
21:22:09 <andy> James has been kept busy with ARIA 3
21:22:21 <Zakim> +[Apple]
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21:23:29 <janina> zakim, next item
21:23:29 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Events Requirements Update http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements" taken up [from janina]
21:23:31 <jcraig> Zakim, who is on the call?
21:23:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see jasonjgw, ??P1, Rich, Michael_Cooper, Andy_Heath, [Apple]
21:23:41 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple has jcraig
21:23:41 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
21:23:41 <andy> s/Last commit was 2st Aug/Last commit was 22nd Aug
21:24:07 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
21:24:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-indie-ui-minutes.html jcraig
21:24:16 <andy> No update on Requiremens Doc
21:24:56 <jcraig> s/James has been kept busy with ARIA 3/James has been kept busy with ARIA/
21:25:02 <andy> FPWD on reqts due just before publication of events
21:27:28 <andy> 17th Ocg call for walkthrough of Events Requits
21:27:39 <andy> s/Ocg/Oct
21:27:43 <jcraig> s/Requits/Requirements/
21:27:51 <janina> zakim, next item
21:27:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Events Testing Update" taken up [from janina]
21:28:33 <andy> Michael: need to create some way of keeping ourselves movng
21:29:08 <andy> This is a good TPAC activity
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21:29:38 <andy> James: suggest basing on testing in Webkit
21:29:44 <andy> that is ongoing
21:30:07 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:30:13 <andy> IndieUI is mostly js that should be translatable to other agents
21:31:33 <jcraig> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/indieui
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21:31:44 <andy> tdo this at TPAC
21:31:55 <Zakim> +Cooper
21:32:15 <MichaelC__> lost connection, missed most of last few minutes
21:32:41 <jcraig> Example:  14	    debug(event);
21:32:41 <jcraig> 15	    shouldBeTrue("typeof event == 'object'");
21:32:43 <jcraig> 16
21:32:44 <jcraig> 17	    shouldBeTrue("'type' in event");
21:32:46 <jcraig> 18	    shouldBeTrue("'bubbles' in event");
21:32:47 <jcraig> 19	    shouldBeTrue("'cancelable' in event");
21:32:49 <jcraig> 20	    shouldBeTrue("'receiver' in event");
21:32:50 <jcraig> 21
21:32:52 <jcraig> 22	    shouldBe("typeof event.type", "'string'");
21:32:53 <jcraig> 23	    shouldBe("typeof event.bubbles", "'boolean'");
21:32:55 <jcraig> 24	    shouldBe("typeof event.cancelable", "'boolean'");
21:32:56 <jcraig> 25	    shouldBe("typeof event.receiver", "'object'");
21:32:59 <janina> zakim, next item
21:32:59 <Zakim> agendum 6. "User Context Update" taken up [from janina]
21:35:24 <jcraig> s/IndieUI is mostly/The automated tests for IndieUI in WebKit are mostly/
21:36:13 <andy> Scheduled to work on this in the next week - for 2nd Oct
21:38:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-indie-ui-minutes.html MichaelC
21:38:34 <andy> Jason will make another trawl of 24751
21:39:27 <andy> then criteria for including items in PNP profile
21:39:39 <andy> then criteria for which in first version of spec
21:40:13 <andy> i.e. two filters in series
21:42:59 <andy> with some sort of wiki or other document specifying what isn't in 1.0 but might be done later
21:44:00 <janina> q?
21:44:22 <andy> and that's an issue for them
21:44:37 <andy> s/them/then/
21:48:00 <andy> James: might make sense to address only non-assistive technology preferences in 1.0
21:48:19 <andy> discussion around exactly what kinds of stuff should be in 1.0
21:49:36 <andy> james: good chance to get the general model out there before getting tangled in accessibility agendas
21:50:09 <andy> desirable to not get bogged down in privacy and security issues
21:50:51 <andy> multi modality of todays interfaces
21:52:54 <andy> There is a framework for multidimensional gestures being developed in SC35
21:53:16 <andy> when that is drafted we might look and see if there is any common ground in apporaches
21:53:40 <andy> S/apporaches/approaches/
21:54:01 <andy> maybe a month from now
21:54:12 <andy> Jason: agrees with Janina and James
21:54:32 <andy> would be useful to have some clearly expressed notion of what will be in 1.0
21:54:49 <andy> for discussions/questions
21:54:58 <andy> including how preferences are gathered
21:55:20 <andy> what role should that play
21:56:47 <andy> jason: I am suggesting looking at whether this affects which items are included in 1.0
21:57:12 <andy> q+
21:57:54 <andy> james: [paraphrasing] do any of the non 1.0 features impact on the interface design
21:58:35 <andy> jason: we keep on running into discussions about what current user agents can collect
21:59:25 <andy> jason: and discussions about whether that should affect what can be included in the spec
22:03:29 <andy> jason is ro summarise this issue in an email
22:03:34 <jcraig> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/tip/src/indie-ui-context.html
22:03:36 <andy> with examples
22:05:52 <andy> jason: we need to work out how these mete-issues should be decided in the context of our work
22:06:08 <andy> s/mete/meta/
22:06:39 <Zakim> -[Apple]
22:06:47 <Zakim> -jasonjgw
22:07:24 <janina> zakim, bye
22:07:24 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Rich, jasonjgw, Michael_Cooper, Andy_Heath, jcraig, Cooper
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22:07:29 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
22:07:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-indie-ui-minutes.html janina
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