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20:27:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:27:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
20:27:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
20:27:08 <trackbot> Date: 22 August 2013
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20:27:52 <Loretta> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
20:28:14 <Loretta> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:28:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jon_Gunderson, [Google]
20:28:24 <Loretta> zakim, Google is Loretta
20:28:24 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
20:28:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:28:41 <adam_solomon> its adam
20:29:03 <adam_solomon> right
20:29:10 <adam_solomon> will have mic soon
20:29:18 <Loretta> zakim, IPcaller is adam
20:29:18 <Zakim> +adam; got it
20:29:25 <Zakim> +??P3
20:29:39 <Loretta> zakim, P3 is Detlev
20:29:39 <Zakim> sorry, Loretta, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'
20:29:52 <Loretta> zakim, ??P3 is Detlev
20:29:52 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
20:31:07 <Loretta> hello?
20:31:32 <adam_solomon> i can
20:33:48 <adam_solomon> detlev, loretta: skip first technique because paul not present
20:34:00 <adam_solomon> topic: ARIA-edit: F85: Failure of Success Criterion 2.4.3 due to using dialogs or menus that are not adjacent to their trigger control in the sequential navigation order
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20:35:41 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam
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20:39:23 <adam_solomon> loretta has added detlev's suggested additional text to explain why dialogs inserted at the end of the page can be problematic
20:41:46 <adam_solomon> detlev suggests making the syntax gender neutral - loretta will make the change
20:44:05 <adam_solomon> detlev: re jon's comment of having a good example (non failure) - might be confusing - loretta: we basically have adopted this convention of not having a success example in a failure
20:45:06 <adam_solomon> loretta: leave this technique open because of edits we just made
20:46:53 <adam_solomon> detlev: we should really have a technique for properly scripting dialog with correct focus behavior
20:47:26 <adam_solomon> loretta: add to the wiki page this suggested technique - need a good title
20:48:47 <pauljadam> http://pauljadam.com/moderna11y/#dialogs
20:51:46 <Detlev> http://3needs.org/en/testing/code/role-dialog-3.html
20:52:08 <adam_solomon> resolution: leave F85 open
20:53:42 <Loretta> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130815ttf/results#xlabel
20:54:21 <adam_solomon> topic: Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors
20:54:43 <adam_solomon> resolution: paul will check out comments from survey and make edits for next meeting
20:55:29 <adam_solomon> topic: ARIA-edit: F86: Failure of Success Criterion 4.1.2 due to not providing names for each part of a multi-part form field, such as a US telephone number
20:56:01 <adam_solomon> loretta: will edit per detlev's comment re aria-label and id
20:57:17 <adam_solomon> is describedby sufficient here?
20:58:28 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
20:59:13 <adam_solomon> if describedby has support - it doesnt fail
21:00:41 <adam_solomon> detlev - we could add generic reference to aria instead of detailing which properties satisfy
21:01:13 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/failures.html#F86
21:01:15 <adam_solomon> loretta: we could leave off alternative procedure for html,xhtml
21:03:22 <adam_solomon> loretta: perhaps we could mention that each form field needs a name w/o specifying what the name needs to be
21:06:52 <adam_solomon> loretta: i will take another stab at this based upon our comments here
21:08:24 <Zakim> -Loretta
21:08:26 <Zakim> -Detlev
21:08:26 <Zakim> -Paul_Adam
21:08:27 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
21:08:28 <Zakim> -adam
21:08:29 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:08:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Jon_Gunderson, Loretta, adam, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Paul_Adam
21:12:20 <Loretta> rrsagent, create minutes
21:12:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/22-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Loretta
21:12:36 <Loretta> zakim, please part
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21:13:14 <Loretta> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:13:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/22-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Loretta
21:13:45 <Loretta> rrsagent, please part
21:13:45 <RRSAgent> I see no action items