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12:45:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:45:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:45:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
12:45:12 <trackbot> Date: 21 August 2013
12:45:17 <olivier> zakim, this is webtv
12:45:19 <Zakim> olivier, I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be webtv".
12:45:26 <olivier> zakim, this will be webtv
12:45:26 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
12:45:53 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0030.html
12:46:16 <olivier> Meeting: Web&TV IG - Media APIs TF teleconfernce
12:46:28 <olivier> Meeting: Web&TV IG - Media APIs TF teleconference
12:46:49 <olivier> Agenda+ review of action items - https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7
12:47:09 <olivier> Agenda+ review TF timeline proposal - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0028.html
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12:47:26 <olivier> Agenda+ use cases / requirement table - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE&usp=drive_web
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12:53:29 <kaz> zakim, code?
12:53:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
12:53:37 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
12:53:37 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
12:53:38 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has now started
12:53:39 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
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12:55:35 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
12:55:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki
12:55:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz, Mark_Vickers, skim13, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, whyun, glenn, timeless, trackbot
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13:00:42 <Zakim> +??P19
13:00:55 <ddavis> Zakim, ??P19 is ddavis
13:00:55 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
13:01:06 <Zakim> +??P18
13:01:31 <Zakim> +??P21
13:01:41 <kaz> zakim, ??P21 is giuseppe
13:01:41 <Zakim> +giuseppe; got it
13:02:27 <skim13> Sung Hei Kim (skim13) & Wook Hyun (whyun) from IP phone.
13:02:34 <whyun> zakim, who is here?
13:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, ddavis, ??P18, giuseppe
13:02:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see giuseppe, Bin_Hu, ddavis, kaz, Mark_Vickers, skim13, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, whyun, glenn, timeless, trackbot
13:02:53 <kaz> zakim, ??P18 is Sung_Hei_Kim,Wook_Hyun
13:02:53 <Zakim> +Sung_Hei_Kim,Wook_Hyun; got it
13:03:02 <whyun> zakim, ??P18 is skim13
13:03:03 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as Sung_Hei_Kim,Wook_Hyun, whyun
13:03:25 <Zakim> +??P20
13:03:53 <olivier> zakim, code?
13:03:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), olivier
13:03:57 <kaz> zakim, ??P20 is Igarashi
13:03:57 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
13:04:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:04:29 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:04:29 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
13:04:42 <olivier> zakim, agenda?
13:04:42 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
13:04:43 <Zakim> 1. review of action items - https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7 [from olivier]
13:04:43 <Zakim> 2. review TF timeline proposal - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0028.html [from olivier]
13:04:43 <Zakim> 3. use cases / requirement table - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE&usp=drive_web [from olivier]
13:04:52 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
13:04:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, ddavis, Sung_Hei_Kim,Wook_Hyun, giuseppe, Igarashi, olivier
13:04:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see giuseppe, Bin_Hu, ddavis, kaz, Mark_Vickers, skim13, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, whyun, glenn, timeless, trackbot
13:05:34 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0018.html
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13:08:02 <Zakim> +CyrilRa
13:08:32 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:08:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of action items - https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7" taken up [from olivier]
13:08:53 <Zakim> +Skip
13:09:23 <kaz> zakim, code?
13:09:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
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13:10:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose giuseppe
13:11:02 <kaz> scribe: giuseppe
13:11:20 <kaz> chair: olivier
13:11:42 <giuseppe> olivier: start with action-122
13:12:05 <giuseppe> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/122
13:12:06 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Jul/0050.html
13:12:20 <kaz> present: Kaz, Bin, Daniel, Sung_Hei, Wook, Giuseppe, Igarashi, Olivier, Cyril, Skip
13:12:22 <giuseppe> olivier: I've added a req to address it
13:12:25 <kaz> action-122?
13:12:25 <trackbot> action-122 -- Olivier Thereaux to Outline a requirement for offline content protection requirement based on UC8 and UC9 -- due 2013-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:12:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/122
13:12:44 <giuseppe> ... but is good to know that content protection is controversial
13:13:03 <giuseppe> ... so will probably cause objections to some of the community
13:13:05 <kaz> s/... but/olivier: but/
13:13:15 <giuseppe> ... anyway the req. is now on our list
13:13:17 <olivier> ACTION-122 CLOSED
13:13:17 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-122.
13:13:45 <giuseppe> olivier: so we can close the action
13:14:01 <ddavis> giuseppe: Don't have time to work on this.
13:14:05 <ddavis> ... will try for the next call
13:14:23 <kaz> action-123?
13:14:23 <trackbot> action-123 -- Giuseppe Pascale to Propose change to UC6/7 to make it more generic -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:14:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/123
13:14:25 <giuseppe> ... (talking about action-123)
13:14:35 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0017.html
13:14:37 <kaz> action-124?
13:14:37 <trackbot> action-124 -- Sung Hei Kim to Hei Kim to confirm whether Terminal Use Case on TV Applications are already covered in current UC document -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:14:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/124
13:14:48 <giuseppe> olivier: so next action is 124
13:15:09 <giuseppe> olivier: i think it was discussed over email, and seems this is covered
13:15:16 <giuseppe> ... can we close this? no objection
13:15:21 <olivier> ACTION-124 CLOSED
13:15:21 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-124.
13:15:23 <kaz> s/... (talking/giuseppe: (talking/
13:15:34 <kaz> action-125?
13:15:34 <trackbot> action-125 -- Giuseppe Pascale to Draft use cases related to metadata -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:15:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/125
13:15:54 <ddavis> giuseppe: Still pending.
13:15:58 <giuseppe> olivier: action-125
13:16:08 <kaz> action-126?
13:16:08 <trackbot> action-126 -- Olivier Thereaux to Edit media apis wiki, change intro to the metadata reference list -- due 2013-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:16:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/126
13:16:19 <giuseppe> olivier: moving on to action-126
13:16:34 <giuseppe> ... about cleaning up the metadata section on the wiki. is done, can be closed
13:16:35 <olivier> ACTION-126 CLOSED
13:16:35 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-126.
13:16:42 <kaz> action-127?
13:16:42 <trackbot> action-127 -- Sheau Ng to Review use cases and requirements document, see whether there is any need for more use cases related to content sync -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:16:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/127
13:16:46 <giuseppe> olivier: moving on with action-127
13:17:05 <kaz> action-128?
13:17:05 <trackbot> action-128 -- Sheau Ng to Draft table cross-referencing use cases and requirements -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:17:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/128
13:17:13 <giuseppe> ... since Sheau is not here let's postpone it
13:17:22 <olivier> ACTION-128 CLOSED
13:17:22 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-128.
13:17:27 <olivier> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7
13:17:47 <kaz> action-129?
13:17:48 <trackbot> action-129 -- Bin Hu to Migrate requirements from UC 8 and 9 into requirements document -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:17:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/129
13:17:48 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
13:17:59 <kaz> present+ Mark_Vickers
13:18:23 <giuseppe> oivier: action-129, assigned to Bin
13:18:30 <olivier> ACTION-129 CLOSED
13:18:30 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-129.
13:18:33 <giuseppe> Bin: is done, so we can close it
13:18:37 <kaz> action-130?
13:18:37 <trackbot> action-130 -- Giuseppe Pascale to Suggest timeline for Media APIs next step -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
13:18:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/130
13:18:55 <olivier> ACTION-130 CLOSED
13:18:55 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-130.
13:19:01 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:19:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review TF timeline proposal - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0028.html" taken up [from olivier]
13:19:05 <giuseppe> olivier: last action has been done, is on the agenda for discussion, we can close it
13:19:35 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Aug/0028.html
13:19:49 <ddavis> giuseppe: During the last couple of calls we discussed how to organise this
13:20:06 <ddavis> ... There was a consensus - better to iterate over them to avoid discussing endlessly
13:20:08 <olivier> scribenick: ddavis
13:20:41 <ddavis> giuseppe: First part of my mail described how each phase would be structured.
13:20:46 <ddavis> ... First is use cases.
13:20:53 <kaz> i/During/scribenick: ddavis/
13:20:55 <ddavis> ... Then get requirements - then do gap analysis
13:21:01 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:21:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:21:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/21-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:21:22 <ddavis> giuseppe: We can find out whether the specs are covering all the requirements or not.
13:21:36 <ddavis> ... Last phase is to consolidate everything into a note and share it with the relevant WGs.
13:21:42 <ddavis> ... This process has been used before.
13:21:57 <ddavis> ... First phase - use cases - has already been going for quite a while.
13:22:13 <ddavis> ... After end of August, we won't consider more use cases.
13:22:27 <ddavis> ... Time is limited because we've already one work on the first two phases.
13:22:37 <ddavis> ... The next iteration will probably take more than four weeks.
13:23:01 <ddavis> ... By start of October we should finalise this, by end of October we should finalise gap analysis ready to discuss it at TPAC.
13:23:06 <ddavis> ... In other words, TPAC is the deadline.
13:23:28 <giuseppe> oivier: any comemnt on this?
13:23:38 <kaz> s/oivier:/olivier:/
13:23:46 <giuseppe> ... as giuseppe said, this is just one iteration
13:24:06 <giuseppe> ... any comment? No comments. So we agree on the schedule
13:24:30 <giuseppe> Action: olivier to copy the timeline on the wiki
13:24:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Copy the timeline on the wiki [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2013-08-28].
13:24:45 <kaz> i/any comment?/scribenick: giuseppe/
13:25:04 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:25:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "use cases / requirement table - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE&usp=drive_web" taken up [from olivier]
13:25:12 <olivier> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE&usp=drive_web
13:26:03 <giuseppe> olivier: we are going to review the shared google doc
13:26:38 <giuseppe> bin: I can introduce it, np
13:27:26 <giuseppe> bin: the table is derived by the list of UCs and Reqs on the wiki
13:27:52 <giuseppe> ... it was generated to make it easy to see which UC derive which req
13:29:12 <giuseppe> ... the black cross is indicating that the mapping was agreed
13:29:32 <giuseppe> ... while the red and question mark are the one inserted by Sheau, for discussion
13:30:02 <giuseppe> ... let's review the open issues
13:32:15 <olivier> giuseppe: is this more of an app authentication requirement or device auth?
13:32:33 <olivier> np
13:33:10 <giuseppe> ddavis, can you take on scribing?
13:33:18 <giuseppe> I'm going to comment a lot :)
13:33:22 <ddavis> OK
13:33:26 <giuseppe> thanks
13:33:27 <ddavis> scribenick: ddavis
13:33:46 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Maybe we can split the requirement into three parts
13:33:58 <ddavis> giuseppe: Yes, because they're three different things
13:34:33 <ddavis> olivier: To apply this we need two things - to spread this and to apply it to the use cases.
13:34:37 <ddavis> s/spread/split/
13:34:56 <ddavis> olivier: Any volunteers to do these two tasks?
13:35:01 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I can do that.
13:35:26 <olivier> ACTION: bin to split requirement 1.5 into 3, update the UC/Req table accordingly
13:35:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Split requirement 1.5 into 3, update the uc/req table accordingly [on Bin Hu - due 2013-08-28].
13:35:49 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Moving on to the next point - line 14 req 1.12
13:36:12 <ddavis> ... "Device-to-device content transfer"
13:36:33 <ddavis> olivier: I'm confused by JC's comment.
13:36:44 <ddavis> ... He said "yes, with all the implied limitations"
13:36:59 <ddavis> ... Does he means the transfer may not be allowed if there are some restrictions in place?
13:37:22 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I think you're correct based on discussions we had back in May.
13:37:34 <ddavis> ... We talked about content protection including paid content, parental controls.
13:37:59 <ddavis> giuseppe: I don't see the use case and the requirement match.
13:38:10 <ddavis> ... There is no transfer between two devices in this use case.
13:38:23 <olivier> Use Case link: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases#8._.22Use_Case_Eight_.E2.80.93_Download_and_Go.22
13:38:35 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: In the use case no other device is involved.
13:38:50 <ddavis> ... After discussion with JC we added offline requirements
13:39:00 <ddavis> ... but the use case itself doesn't have the second device
13:39:32 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Conclusion is to remove the X and ?
13:39:41 <ddavis> olivier: sounds like consensus.
13:39:49 <ddavis> ... I'm removing the comment.
13:39:59 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Next is 1.16
13:40:07 <ddavis> ... from use case no. 6
13:40:22 <ddavis> ... about whether EPG also needs tuner control.
13:40:36 <ddavis> ... JC wonders whether EPG is just another web app.
13:40:58 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Based on my reading of use case no. 6, web apps are apps that add content, not EPGs.
13:41:35 <ddavis> olivier: JC is right that there is overlap and there is a need for tuner control, but I don't see it as a problem that there's overlap between the use cases. They don't have exactly the same requirements.
13:42:14 <ddavis> giuseppe: I'll try to read these comments more by the next call.
13:42:31 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: If we need to merge or consolidate them we can do it later.
13:42:40 <ddavis> olivier: so leaving the X and ? for now.
13:42:54 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Next is line 22 - req 1.20 - "Content protection"
13:43:05 <ddavis> ... Use cases 4, 5, 6 have question marks.
13:43:24 <ddavis> ... First is content sharing - seems to be obvious.
13:43:26 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases#4._.22Use_Case_Four_.E2.80.93_Content_Sharing.22
13:44:22 <ddavis> olivier: There is a bit in use case 4 about someone launching content. There would be some content protection but I don't see it as core to the use case.
13:44:25 <ddavis> ... Seems more marginal than key.
13:44:28 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: I agree
13:45:07 <ddavis> ... In the use case it mentions a shared video link. That's where it comes from.
13:45:43 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: When there's content protection it doesn't mean it has to be used - it means it has to be allowed for.
13:45:51 <ddavis> olivier: Leaving the X there.
13:45:56 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Next is content search.
13:46:03 <olivier> Content search UC: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases#5._.22Use_Case_Five_.E2.80.93_Content_Search.22
13:46:13 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Giuseppe says no.
13:46:24 <ddavis> s/Giuseppe/JS/
13:46:27 <ddavis> s/JS/JC/
13:46:46 <ddavis> olivier: In this case I'd agree with JC. It doesn't look like content protection is needed in this case.
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13:46:59 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: An example is a movie trailer.
13:47:22 <ddavis> olivier: Playing devil's advocate, for some people metadata about content is something you may want to protect.
13:47:52 <ddavis> ???: That kind of data is more about authentication than content protection - i.e. more crypto.
13:48:21 <olivier> s/???/Cyril/
13:48:27 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: I agree. It might be good to call content protection "media content protection" which is different to data protection.
13:48:32 <olivier> +1
13:48:45 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: This makes it clear it doesn't apply to metadata.
13:49:04 <ddavis> olivier: Should we remove that part or give Sheau a chance to explain?
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13:49:35 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: As a group remove it, but as a courtesy give him a heads up why we think it's not relevant. He can share his thoughts with the group if necessary.
13:49:57 <ddavis> olivier: How about adding a comment in that cell explaining the group's consensus?
13:50:02 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: OK
13:50:50 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Next is use case no. 7
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13:51:40 <ddavis> olivier: I de-resolved it.
13:52:11 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: JC is not sure what Sheau means.
13:52:30 <ddavis> olivier: Any opinion in the group about this?
13:52:49 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: I think +1. There will be cases where the live TV broadcast is using content protection.
13:52:57 <ddavis> ... i.e. media content protection.
13:53:07 <ddavis> ... That's part of the pre-requisite task.
13:53:22 <ddavis> ... unless somebody was talking about downloads?
13:53:24 <ddavis> olivier: I don't think so.
13:53:47 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: In that case it definitely applies. E.g. HBO is a content protected channel and has channel-bound applications.
13:54:02 <ddavis> olivier: So it looks like we have use cases where this does apply so yes to the X.
13:54:12 <ddavis> olivier: No objections.
13:54:26 <ddavis> olivier: I think that's all the question marks.
13:54:29 <ddavis> ... One more thing...
13:54:43 <ddavis> ... We have two use cases - 10 & 11 - for which associations have not been made.
13:54:59 <ddavis> ... Either we go through it quickly or we get volunteers to do it.
13:55:12 <ddavis> ... I prefer the latter, then we discuss any points of contention.
13:55:39 <ddavis> ... Any volunteers?
13:55:52 <Mark_Vickers> I believe there is one more X missing for 1.22 Content Playback on UC9 Download and Go
13:56:00 <ddavis> olivier: I'll volunteer myself
13:56:14 <olivier> ACTION: olivier to fill UC/Req table for the columns of UC 10 and 11
13:56:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Fill uc/req table for the columns of uc 10 and 11 [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2013-08-28].
13:56:53 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: Download and Go should be Watch and Record
13:57:09 <ddavis> ... Although nothing says at a later time someone can playback the content, it's mandatory and should be added.
13:57:15 <ddavis> olivier: I agree, that seems obvious.
13:57:22 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: Me too - it's implicit.
13:57:28 <ddavis> Mark_Vickers: We should add it to the use case.
13:57:53 <olivier> ACTION: Mark to add "playback" to use case 9
13:57:53 <trackbot> 'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., mvickers2, mwatson2).
13:58:07 <olivier> ACTION: Mvicker2 to add "playback" to use case 9
13:58:07 <trackbot> Error finding 'Mvicker2'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
13:58:14 <olivier> ACTION: Mvickers2 to add "playback" to use case 9
13:58:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - Add "playback" to use case 9 [on Mark Vickers - due 2013-08-28].
13:58:41 <ddavis> olivier: Based on that, if there are no other questions I suggest we adjourn for today.
13:58:48 <ddavis> ... We should stick to one hour.
13:58:57 <olivier> Topic: AOB
13:59:33 <ddavis> olivier: I'd like to make sure everyone's happy with the next meeting being on the 4th September. Anybody unable to make it?
13:59:48 <ddavis> ... One more thing...
14:00:08 <ddavis> ... Does anyone want to go through the TPAC registration requirement?
14:00:22 <ddavis> giuseppe: Kaz shared all the information to the list.
14:00:26 <ddavis> ... Follow that and please register.
14:00:29 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/ TPAC page
14:00:54 <ddavis> giuseppe: We'll have a one-day meeting for this group on Tuesday to not overlap with the Web and Broadcasting group (on Monday)
14:01:57 <ddavis> ddavis: Please do it early because you may need a visa and a letter from Beihang University.
14:02:12 <ddavis> giuseppe: One other AOB is a tooling point.
14:02:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2013/?login#wbsq15 question on invitation letter
14:02:34 <ddavis> giuseppe: I think Google Docs works quite well so should we move the use cases over to Google Docs as well?
14:03:01 <ddavis> ... For me, it lowers the barrier to commenting, at least for this group which is not a long-standing group.
14:03:26 <ddavis> ddavis: I'd be happy as long as it doesn't require a third-party (non-W3C) account.
14:03:40 <ddavis> giuseppe: A third-party account is only required for the person who creates the document.
14:04:06 <ddavis> olivier: I'm happy with either but we should make sure we keep a backup copy.
14:04:36 <kaz> +1
14:04:49 <ddavis> ... W3C has a strong policy - we don't want things disappearing.
14:04:55 <ddavis> s/.../olivier/
14:05:08 <kaz> s/olivier/olivier: /
14:05:15 <ddavis> ddavis: My only concern is that we avoid having too many documents in too many places.
14:05:31 <ddavis> giuseppe: I agree but it's better than using email attachments.
14:05:44 <ddavis> olivier: We can make sure the wiki points to the new version of the document.
14:06:04 <kaz> +1
14:06:34 <ddavis> giuseppe: I'll volunteer to update the Google Docs link.
14:06:56 <ddavis> ... But is the wiki only editable by Team members?
14:07:07 <ddavis> olivier: No, it should be editable by anybody
14:07:24 <ddavis> Bin_Hu: In my experience I needed a W3C account to edit the wiki.
14:07:34 <ddavis> olivier: I think you can get a public account to do that.
14:08:06 <ddavis> olivier: Giuseppe, why would that concern you? Our use cases/requirements do not have strong IPR issues.
14:08:23 <ddavis> giuseppe: In general we're not accepting contributions from non-members.
14:08:39 <ddavis> giuseppe: The other solution is just to have one editor.
14:09:14 <ddavis> ... In this case, I could copy the document and allow someone to be the editor and others can comment on it.
14:09:23 <ddavis> olivier: Sounds like a good plan.
14:09:23 <ddavis> ... Any other business?
14:09:43 <Zakim> -Skip
14:09:46 <Zakim> -CyrilRa
14:09:47 <Zakim> -olivier
14:09:49 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
14:09:50 <ddavis> olivier: OK, we are adjourned. Good meeting & talk to you in two weeks.
14:09:51 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
14:09:53 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/21-webtv-minutes.html olivier
14:09:54 <Zakim> -giuseppe
14:09:55 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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14:10:00 <Zakim> -ddavis
14:10:01 <olivier> thanks ddavis, giuseppe for scribing
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14:10:08 <Zakim> -Sung_Hei_Kim,Wook_Hyun
14:10:16 <Zakim> -Igarashi
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14:10:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, ddavis, giuseppe, Sung_Hei_Kim,Wook_Hyun, Igarashi, olivier, CyrilRa, Skip, Mark_Vickers
14:10:27 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:10:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:10:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/21-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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