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13:49:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 72724
13:49:38 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:49:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Push API Patent Advisory Group Teleconference
13:49:39 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2013
14:05:49 <wseltzer> zakim, this will be 72724
14:05:49 <Zakim> ok, wseltzer; I see SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
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14:08:34 <wseltzer> wseltzer has changed the topic to: next Push API PAG call August 6, 11AM Boston
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14:47:39 <wseltzer> agenda=
14:47:43 <wseltzer> zakim, clear agenda
14:47:43 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:48:28 <wseltzer> agenda+ Claims Analysis, progress
14:49:05 <wseltzer> agenda+ Questions for Nokia
14:49:22 <wseltzer> agenda+ Volunteers and additional resources
14:50:58 <wseltzer> regrets+ DougT
14:51:06 <wseltzer> regrets+ Yves
14:51:27 <wseltzer> chair: wseltzer
14:59:02 <Zakim> SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM has now started
14:59:11 <Zakim> + +34.91.432.aaaa
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15:00:17 <wseltzer> zakim, aaaa is efullea
15:00:17 <Zakim> +efullea; got it
15:00:20 <Zakim> +Plh
15:01:07 <Zakim> +Larry_Rosen
15:01:13 <wseltzer> agenda?
15:01:42 <wseltzer> [reminder, our wiki is: https://www.w3.org/2013/papag/wiki ]
15:03:13 <Zakim> +Mike_Champion
15:03:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:05 <wseltzer> zakim, [IPcaller is chaals
15:04:05 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:05:03 <wseltzer> zakim, who is here?
15:05:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see efullea, Wendy, Plh, Larry_Rosen, Mike_Champion, chaals
15:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see plh, lrosen, efullea, RRSAgent, chaals, trackbot, Zakim, Yves, wseltzer
15:05:52 <plh> scribe: plh
15:06:20 <plh> agenda+ Claim Analysis
15:06:26 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
15:06:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Claims Analysis, progress" taken up [from wseltzer]
15:06:40 <plh> Wendy: see  https://www.w3.org/2013/papag/wiki/Claims_Analysis
15:06:51 <plh> ... plh and chaals pulled out the independent claims
15:07:03 <plh> ... and noted the equivalence between EU and US patents
15:07:09 <plh> ... still leaves us with 16 claims
15:07:19 <plh> ... and no one has looked at the JP patents yet
15:07:36 <plh> ... and thank you to Larry for sending information on file wrapper and additional information
15:07:53 <plh> plh: is that in the wiki?
15:07:57 <plh> Wendy: not yet
15:08:31 <plh> ACTION:plh to add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-push-pag/2013Jul/0006.html in the wiki
15:08:36 <plh> ACTION: plh to add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-push-pag/2013Jul/0006.html in the wiki
15:08:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-push-pag/2013Jul/0006.html in the wiki [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-08-13].
15:08:51 <plh> Wendy: next step is to review the independent claims against the draft
15:09:29 <plh> ... in conjunction, re communication with Nokia
15:09:42 <plh> ... spoke with ? from Nokia
15:09:53 <plh> ... who expressed interest in cooperating in the PAG work
15:10:03 <plh> ... and that suggests that Nokia will be responsive to questions
15:10:13 <plh> ... even if they're engaging in litigations
15:10:30 <plh> ... they continue to assert all 9 patents against the latest version of the document
15:10:57 <plh> ... and Nokia will look into  identifying the essential claims
15:11:12 <plh> ... if we have additional questions for them, feel free to bring those up
15:11:18 <plh> ... comments?
15:11:20 <plh> q+
15:11:57 <plh> plh: I thought Moz will look into the analysis of the claims
15:12:10 <plh> Wendy: Doug sent regrets but will follow up on the status
15:12:26 <plh> ack plh
15:12:47 <plh> Wendy: we should get quick feedback from Moz on what they might be able to do
15:13:01 <plh> ... so we don't end up blocking on them for nothing
15:13:06 <plh> ... I'll ask them this week
15:13:20 <plh> ... in the meantime, it won't be a waste time for others to do the same
15:13:39 <wseltzer> ACTION: wseltzer to follow-up with Mozilla re claims analysis
15:13:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Follow-up with Mozilla re claims analysis [on Wendy Seltzer - due 2013-08-13].
15:14:37 <plh> ?: you classified the unique patents. to what extend did you look at them? claims may be different...
15:14:46 <wseltzer> s/?:/efullea:/
15:14:51 <plh> Chaals: I didn't look claim by claim
15:15:09 <plh> ... the statements are basically the same however
15:15:24 <plh> ... I do think it's important to go claim by claim however
15:15:35 <plh> ... it would be useful to have links to each patent document
15:15:50 <plh> ACTION: Charles to add links to the wiki to each patent document
15:15:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Add links to the wiki to each patent document [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-08-13].
15:16:09 <wseltzer> [Links to the patents are in the Charter: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/push-pag-charter.html ]
15:16:20 <plh> efullea: ok, so we still need to analysis the overlaps
15:17:33 <plh> ... i didn't take the time to compare them yet. but with regards to EU
15:17:54 <plh> ,,, 016, 723 and 375 are similar but claims are slightly different
15:18:14 <plh> s/,,,/.../
15:18:26 <wseltzer> s/similar/divisional applications/
15:18:35 <plh> Chaals: so some might updates to other ones...
15:18:42 <wseltzer> s/are slightly/may be/
15:19:02 <plh> efullea: startinf from 375, there was a divisional patent which is 723, and then 016
15:19:06 <Zakim> -Larry_Rosen
15:19:11 <plh> s/startinf/starting/
15:19:15 <wseltzer> q+
15:19:22 <Zakim> +Larry_Rosen
15:19:32 <plh> efullea: so, even if the text is similar, it's important to look at the patents
15:19:48 <plh> wendy: absolutely, that's a useful reminder
15:19:56 <plh> ... we need to look deeper into the claims
15:20:21 <plh> Larry: the claims have to be interpreted in light of the spec
15:20:39 <plh> ... do they all start with the same spec, and generated additional claims?
15:21:07 <plh> efullea: I didn't dive into the patents, but it seems some of them are starting from same doc and claims are slightly different
15:21:27 <plh> Larry: then it would be reasonnable to assume that they could get similar claims
15:21:38 <plh> ... but don't know if they didn't
15:22:50 <plh> Wendy: you're right, claims are only a place to start
15:23:43 <plh> Chaals: some of the claims seem broad.
15:24:14 <plh> Larry: are you suggesting that we focus on the US patents?
15:24:21 <wseltzer> q+
15:24:24 <plh> Chaals: not at all
15:24:50 <plh> ... the question is: is it better claims that do bear on the spec, or is it useful to begin to pick up claims that have no bearing?
15:25:06 <plh> ... from which side should we approach the eliminitation?
15:25:27 <plh> Larry: we go through the list, one by one.
15:25:50 <plh> ... if one of the claims isn't in the spec, you can ignore the entire patent
15:26:06 <plh> ack ws
15:27:14 <plh> Wendy: we can edge descriptions to say "possibly applicable" or "not applicable", we're not at the point of reaching conclusion yet. useful to have some tentive in the wiki.
15:27:20 <plh> s/tentive/tentative/
15:28:13 <plh> Topic: Next meeting
15:28:21 <plh> Wendy: August 28th
15:28:22 <plh> ... same time.
15:28:33 <Zakim> -Mike_Champion
15:28:36 <plh> Chaals: regrets from me
15:28:40 <plh> Plh: regrets from me.
15:29:01 <Zakim> -chaals
15:29:03 <Zakim> -Plh
15:29:03 <Zakim> -Larry_Rosen
15:29:06 <Zakim> -Wendy
15:29:08 <Zakim> -efullea
15:29:08 <Zakim> SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM has ended
15:29:08 <Zakim> Attendees were +34.91.432.aaaa, Wendy, efullea, Plh, Larry_Rosen, Mike_Champion, [IPcaller], chaals
15:29:20 <plh> s/28th/20th/
15:29:30 <plh> s/Plh: regrets from me.//
15:29:46 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:29:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-papag-minutes.html plh
15:30:01 <plh> rrsagent, make logs public-visible
15:30:37 <wseltzer> s/they continue/I asked: do they continue/
15:30:47 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make minutes
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