IRC log of html-media on 2013-08-06
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 06 August 2013
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
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- +pladd
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- +??P6
- 14:59:36 [glenn]
- zakim, ??p6 is me
- 14:59:36 [Zakim]
- +glenn; got it
- 14:59:55 [pal]
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- +[Microsoft]
- 15:00:12 [pladd]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:00:12 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see pladd, glenn, [Microsoft]
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- -[Microsoft]
- 15:00:38 [davide]
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:01:02 [pal]
- zakim, I am IPcaller
- 15:01:02 [Zakim]
- ok, pal, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
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- + +1.303.661.aaaa
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- +davide
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- + +1.858.357.aabb
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- +ddorwin
- 15:05:10 [ddorwin]
- I can't talk much today.
- 15:05:58 [glenn]
- adrian, are you on the call?
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- +[Microsoft.a]
- 15:06:26 [adrianba]
- zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
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- +adrianba; got it
- 15:06:46 [johnsim]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 15:06:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see pladd, glenn, [Microsoft], [IPcaller], +1.303.661.aaaa, davide, +1.858.357.aabb, ddorwin, adrianba
- 15:06:54 [johnsim]
- zakim, [microsoft] is me
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- +johnsim; got it
- 15:06:55 [adrianba]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Aug/0005.html
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- +[Microsoft]
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- 15:07:03 [glenn]
- chair: glenn
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- scribenick: adrianba
- 15:07:21 [glenn]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Aug/0005.html
- 15:07:27 [adrianba]
- Chair: Glenn Adams
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- Scribe: Adrian Bateman
- 15:08:20 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
- 15:08:28 [glenn]
- zakim, who's on the call?
- 15:08:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see pladd, glenn, johnsim, [IPcaller], +1.303.661.aaaa, davide, +1.858.357.aabb, ddorwin, adrianba, [Microsoft]
- 15:08:51 [glenn]
- zakim, aaaa is Kevin_Kershaw
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- +Kevin_Kershaw; got it
- 15:09:18 [pal]
- zakim, I am [IPcaller]
- 15:09:18 [Zakim]
- ok, pal, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
- 15:09:29 [glenn]
- zakim, aabb is Niels
- 15:09:29 [Zakim]
- +Niels; got it
- 15:09:40 [pal]
- zakim, who's on the call?
- 15:09:40 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see pladd, glenn, johnsim, [IPcaller], Kevin_Kershaw, davide, Niels, ddorwin, adrianba, [Microsoft]
- 15:10:19 [niels_thorwirth]
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- 15:10:33 [glenn]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is pal
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- +pal; got it
- 15:10:43 [glenn]
- zakim, Niels is niels_thorwirth
- 15:10:44 [Zakim]
- +niels_thorwirth; got it
- 15:11:00 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
- 15:11:06 [adrianba]
- glenn: any comments?
- 15:11:13 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Review of action items and issues
- 15:11:21 [adrianba]
- glenn: actions are in the agenda
- 15:11:27 [glenn]
- ISSUE-1?
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- ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
- 15:11:27 [adrianba]
- ISSUE-1?
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- ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised
- 15:11:28 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
- 15:11:54 [ddorwin]
- We usually just note this and move on.
- 15:11:57 [adrianba]
- glenn: any comments?
- 15:12:08 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: EME status and bugs
- 15:12:28 [adrianba]
- glenn: EME draft last updated jul 16
- 15:12:31 [adrianba]
- ... 15 bugs open
- 15:12:34 [glenn]
- http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
- 15:13:05 [glenn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944
- 15:13:13 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 20944 - EME should do more to encourage/ensure CDM-level interop
- 15:13:25 [adrianba]
- glenn: there were a couple of comments since the last meeting
- 15:13:31 [adrianba]
- ... i proposed a way to resolve this bug
- 15:13:50 [adrianba]
- ... Robert O'Callahan responded that it wasn't as strong as he desired
- 15:14:01 [adrianba]
- ... i responded that he'd have to convince the group of his proposal
- 15:14:13 [adrianba]
- ... he's requesting a fairly strong set of information about CDM
- 15:14:32 [adrianba]
- ... i'm recommending a voluntary registry in the wiki
- 15:15:13 [adrianba]
- adrianba: i'd be okay with the wiki proposal
- 15:15:28 [adrianba]
- glenn: does anyone support robert's proposal?
- 15:15:40 [adrianba]
- ... does anyone think we should keep it open for longer?
- 15:15:58 [glenn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944#c15
- 15:16:02 [adrianba]
- ... can we get an action on the editors to implement the resolution in comment 15
- 15:17:16 [adrianba]
- johnsim: i'm a little unclear about what we're adding to the spec
- 15:17:21 [adrianba]
- ... just a link to a wiki?
- 15:18:02 [adrianba]
- glenn: not suggesting making it a recommendation - in order to avoid collisions of key system names you can register here
- 15:18:23 [adrianba]
- johnsim: so it would just be a registry of the names?
- 15:18:31 [adrianba]
- glenn: there could be a comments field
- 15:18:37 [adrianba]
- q+
- 15:19:34 [adrianba]
- ack adr
- 15:19:53 [adrianba]
- adrianba: recommend glenn creates the wiki page, maybe with an example entry, and adds proposed spec text to the bug
- 15:20:09 [glenn]
- Action: glenn to draft wiki page to register CDM key system names
- 15:20:09 [trackbot]
- Error finding 'glenn'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
- 15:20:59 [glenn]
- Action glenn to draft spec language for inclusions as note to address comment #15 of bug 20944
- 15:20:59 [trackbot]
- Error finding 'glenn'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
- 15:21:20 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 20965 - EME results in a loss of control over security and privacy.
- 15:21:25 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965
- 15:22:13 [adrianba]
- glenn: i proposed a section called privacy concerns
- 15:22:21 [adrianba]
- ... giving an example from webcrypto
- 15:22:27 [glenn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965#c32
- 15:22:44 [adrianba]
- glenn: any input on this?
- 15:23:36 [glenn]
- adrianba: 2 parts to this issue
- 15:23:49 [glenn]
- ... specific information: what are privacy implications?
- 15:24:15 [glenn]
- ... does the design support take privacy into account?
- 15:24:23 [glenn]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 15:24:33 [Zakim]
- glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: johnsim (90%), adrianba (25%)
- 15:24:44 [glenn]
- zakim, mute johnsim
- 15:24:44 [Zakim]
- johnsim should now be muted
- 15:25:35 [glenn]
- adrianba: so is api asynch at right time to be able to ask user for permissions, etc?
- 15:25:42 [johnsim]
- my microphone was muted at the time (???)
- 15:26:47 [glenn]
- adrianba: we've discussed this in relation to other topics
- 15:27:11 [glenn]
- ... between time session is created and session is ready, then user could be prompted if user decides not to allow use of EME
- 15:27:22 [glenn]
- ... but haven't exhaustively considered this topic
- 15:27:47 [glenn]
- ... henri's comment #9 also talks about storage of data
- 15:28:32 [glenn]
- glenn: to adrianba, do you have any recommendations on how to proceed with this bug?
- 15:28:52 [glenn]
- adrianba: prompt more discussion on ML ?
- 15:29:27 [adrianba]
- glenn: it seems to me that a better way would be to attempt to draft some minimal language that could be used to fill in a section on privacy considerations
- 15:29:36 [adrianba]
- ... do we have a section in the document on this right now?
- 15:29:57 [adrianba]
- glenn: any volunteers to draft this?
- 15:30:32 [adrianba]
- glenn: i will go ahead an volunteer to draft language on potential privacy considerations
- 15:30:33 [glenn]
- Action glenn to draft language on potential privacy considerations
- 15:30:33 [trackbot]
- Error finding 'glenn'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
- 15:31:16 [adrianba]
- glenn: not an expert on this topic, will probably copy something from somewhere else and then put it on the list to solicit comments
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- -johnsim
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- 15:31:40 [adrianba]
- ... and also note other editorial comments, for example needing to look at API async
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- +[Microsoft.a]
- 15:31:57 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 20966 - EME design trivializes the demanded loss of control of security and privacy demanded.
- 15:32:02 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966
- 15:32:32 [glenn]
- zakim, [Microsoft.a] is johnsim
- 15:32:32 [Zakim]
- +johnsim; got it
- 15:32:36 [johnsim]
- zakim, who is on the call
- 15:32:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the call', johnsim
- 15:33:04 [adrianba]
- glenn: in february, adrian asked for more information from the submitter
- 15:33:17 [adrianba]
- ... comment 1 had asked for spec text to change
- 15:33:59 [adrianba]
- ... i propose that we close this issue without prejudice because there is no information provided
- 15:34:09 [adrianba]
- ... but it could be opened with new information
- 15:34:14 [adrianba]
- ... any objection to this?
- 15:34:48 [ddorwin]
- Also note that privacy is being discussed/addressed in bug 20965.
- 15:35:02 [glenn]
- RESOLVED: close bug 20966 without prejudice due to lack of essential information; allow reopening only if substantive new info is provided;
- 15:35:30 [adrianba]
- glenn: any objections to this resolution?
- 15:35:47 [glenn]
- Action adrianba to implement closing 20966
- 15:35:47 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-30 - Implement closing 20966 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-08-13].
- 15:36:14 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 21854 - Define MediaKeySession life cycle states and/or events
- 15:36:20 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
- 15:36:30 [adrianba]
- glenn: resolution that adrian would implement solution as discussed
- 15:36:35 [adrianba]
- ... any progress?
- 15:37:26 [adrianba]
- adrianba: no progress yet - still a little discussion in the bug
- 15:37:39 [adrianba]
- ... assume the resolution was without the state attribute
- 15:37:52 [adrianba]
- ... i wasn't present at the end of the meeting last time
- 15:37:53 [ddorwin]
- I don't feel strongly about the state attribute (certainly not as strongly as I do about addressing the bug overall).
- 15:38:05 [adrianba]
- ... not clear if the state attribute should be a separate bug or discussed here
- 15:38:35 [ddorwin]
- If people have use cases for the state, that's fine. We could always add them later, though.
- 15:38:44 [adrianba]
- glenn: david, is there a way to resolve your comment?
- 15:39:00 [adrianba]
- ... anyone proposing adding new information?
- 15:39:25 [adrianba]
- ... then we should go ahead and act on the action and raise any issues
- 15:39:35 [ddorwin]
- s/the state/the state attribute/
- 15:39:44 [ddorwin]
- s/add them/add it/
- 15:39:51 [glenn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5
- 15:40:40 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 21855 - Avoid network traffic and duplicate sessions for the same key(s)
- 15:40:44 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855
- 15:42:04 [adrianba]
- glenn: sounds like this needs further thought
- 15:42:17 [adrianba]
- ... if anyone has thoughts post to the mailing list
- 15:42:30 [adrianba]
- ACTION-25?
- 15:42:30 [trackbot]
- ACTION-25 -- David Dorwin to and John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-07-19 -- OPEN
- 15:42:30 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25
- 15:43:08 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 17673 - Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format
- 15:43:13 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
- 15:43:20 [adrianba]
- johnsim: i have not completed this
- 15:43:33 [adrianba]
- ACTION-25 due in 1 week
- 15:43:33 [trackbot]
- Set ACTION-25 And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 due date to 2013-08-13.
- 15:43:57 [adrianba]
- ACTION-27?
- 15:43:57 [trackbot]
- ACTION-27 -- Adrian Bateman to add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close -- due 2013-07-09 -- CLOSED
- 15:43:57 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/27
- 15:44:20 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 17750 - Define the behavior MediaKeySession close() and clearing the keys attribute
- 15:44:25 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
- 15:44:49 [adrianba]
- glenn: waiting for mark's input - mark's not on the call at the moment
- 15:45:01 [adrianba]
- ... joe proposes to keep close but indicate that it is a hint
- 15:45:14 [adrianba]
- ... joe's not on the call
- 15:45:22 [adrianba]
- ... sounds like we need to defer until the next meeting
- 15:45:56 [glenn]
- ACTION-27 due in 1 week
- 15:45:56 [trackbot]
- Set ACTION-27 Add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close due date to 2013-08-13.
- 15:46:25 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 18515 - Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available
- 15:46:38 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
- 15:46:50 [adrianba]
- glenn: david, do you have input on this?
- 15:46:53 [glenn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515#c11
- 15:47:06 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: i was just clarifying what i think joe had said
- 15:47:27 [adrianba]
- glenn: do we have enough information to make progress?
- 15:47:41 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: probably need to propose text and then discuss that
- 15:47:48 [adrianba]
- glenn: would you like an action to do that?
- 15:48:03 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: i probably won't do it in the next couple of weeks
- 15:48:19 [glenn]
- action ddorwin to propose text to resolve bug 18515
- 15:48:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-31 - Propose text to resolve bug 18515 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-08-13].
- 15:48:45 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Bug 21869 - Need clarity on stored keys for CDMs
- 15:48:51 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21869
- 15:49:09 [adrianba]
- glenn: fairly lengthy thread with joe and david
- 15:49:13 [adrianba]
- ... status?
- 15:49:32 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: i replied to the thread - haven't had chance to look at the reply from this morning
- 15:49:42 [adrianba]
- glenn: need to leave this open
- 15:49:52 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Other bugs for discussion
- 15:49:56 [adrianba]
- glenn: any others?
- 15:50:23 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Any other business
- 15:50:28 [adrianba]
- glenn: hearing none
- 15:50:38 [adrianba]
- ... Next EME meeting will be on Tue Aug 13.
- 15:50:45 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Adjournment
- 15:50:52 [Zakim]
- -Kevin_Kershaw
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- -pladd
- 15:50:56 [adrianba]
- glenn: thanks everyone
- 15:51:01 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
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- -adrianba
- 15:51:02 [Zakim]
- -niels_thorwirth
- 15:51:04 [Zakim]
- -davide
- 15:51:05 [Zakim]
- -pal
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- -johnsim
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- -ddorwin
- 15:51:11 [adrianba]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
- 15:51:15 [adrianba]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 15:51:26 [glenn]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 15:51:26 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been pladd, glenn, +1.303.661.aaaa, davide, +1.858.357.aabb, ddorwin, adrianba, johnsim, [Microsoft], Kevin_Kershaw, pal, niels_thorwirth
- 15:51:34 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:51:34 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-minutes.html trackbot
- 15:51:35 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:51:35 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-actions.rdf :
- 15:51:35 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: glenn to draft wiki page to register CDM key system names [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-irc#T15-20-09