13:56:49 RRSAgent has joined #pf 13:56:49 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/05-pf-irc 13:56:51 RRSAgent, make logs member 13:56:51 Zakim has joined #pf 13:56:53 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 13:56:53 trackbot, WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)9:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PF to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel 13:56:54 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 13:56:54 Date: 05 August 2013 13:56:58 trackbot, make log public 13:56:58 Sorry, richardschwerdtfeger, I don't understand 'trackbot, make log public'. Please refer to for help. 13:57:15 RRSAgent, make log public 13:57:27 meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus 13:57:32 chair: Rich 13:58:07 trackbot, start meeting 13:58:09 RRSAgent, make logs member 13:58:11 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 13:58:11 ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM already started 13:58:12 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 13:58:12 Date: 05 August 2013 13:58:32 RRSAgent, make log public 13:58:36 chair: Rich 13:58:37 zakim, who's on the phone? 13:58:37 On the phone I see ??P0, Rich 13:58:45 zakim, ??P0 is me 13:58:45 +janina; got it 13:58:47 meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus 13:58:55 +??P2 14:00:21 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Aug/0001.html 14:04:33 jongund has joined #pf 14:04:37 +Jon_Gunderson 14:07:50 scribe: janina 14:08:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Aug/0001.html 14:08:23 topic: hg vs cvs 14:08:34 General discussion of whether and when to transition to hg 14:08:43 We need JC to finalize, but sense here is 14:08:50 Leave as is for DescribedAt FPWD 14:08:58 Then transition to hg 14:09:17 We have until 2016 to produce ARIA 1.1 aligned with HTML 5.1, so transition in this time frame seems good 14:09:34 topic: test plan 14:09:50 rich: both for aria and uaig 14:10:00 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/5 14:10:37 mc: leaving open only because not pub'd 14:10:48 mc: for director's report 14:11:55 rich: there are test cases oriented toward test tools in the harness, do they come out? 14:12:06 mc: not sure which ones these are, but should come out 14:13:15 mc: believe validator.new can cover our error handling must 14:13:58 rich: didn't mark, but they were grouped ... 14:21:43 [numbers identified, people looking at them and clearing them ...] 14:23:11 rich: Only 2 pp of tests remain 14:23:35 rich: Looking now at actions ... 14:25:14 rich: Will have finished IE testing soon. 14:25:26 rich: No changes are in the pipeline with IE 14:29:15 scott_gonzalez has joined #pf 14:29:27 [discussion of when and how to include Linux results ...] 14:29:44 we agree to finish test runs with IE and Safari, but we will not wait on any further fixes there 14:30:14 We will not mark Linux passes for W3 CR until IE and Safari test are run on those tests 14:32:33 mc: on 632-646 we need to clarify why Safari can't pass ... 14:33:50 rich: 894-899 for Win, who's running these? 14:34:11 rich: Would be good if jg can focus on Safari 14:34:26 jg: Only prob with Safari is no tool to see events 14:34:59 janina: Recalling we were going to do tests involving events on Chrome 14:35:36 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport/annotate?testsuite_id=1&filter_required=on&filter_cr_met=on&filter=Filter+view 14:35:54 jg: These would be the ones to focus on with Chrome? 14:35:56 rich: yes 14:37:08 mc: Asks about qos test focus 14:37:14 mc: Usually after TR 14:47:10 rich: Next UAIG test cases ... 14:47:22 rich: Can we separate these from the ARIA test cases? 14:47:42 mc: Separate now, but only really visible in the URL 14:47:48 mc: Need to make this more visible 14:48:12 mc: Want review of testable statements previously written 14:48:38 mc: Most are pretty obvious, and my focus first has been ARIA CR 14:49:00 mc: Not sure how we get the test cases review for UAIG. Need the right folks on the review 14:49:50 mc: review because uaig has been updated and test cases may be out of date 14:50:09 mc: Expect we'll have about 200 tests finally for uaig 14:52:10 mc: need to create some ui for these 14:52:37 mc: I'll prioritize this work 14:52:53 rich: please also respond on pub list around all this 14:53:02 s/pub/public/ 14:53:31 rs: when we finish aria, do we go to director then, or do we wait for uaig testing? 14:53:43 mc: we said we expected to exit both together 14:53:50 mc: reason is the normative dependency 14:54:05 mc: we may ask for a preliminary review, but not a final 14:54:29 rich: concern is to get agreement on exit criteria for uaig 14:54:39 rich: and second last call will be about a month? 14:54:41 mc: yes 14:54:51 rich: which shouldn't stop us from test cases now? 14:54:52 mc: yes 14:55:03 s/yes/correct/ 14:55:27 mc: we can be doing testing even before lc, so certainly during lc 14:56:03 rich: so finish aria now, and get the uaig testing going 14:56:19 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/1 14:56:50 topic: aria 1.0 actions 14:57:45 mc: first 5 of mine are priority only before publishing our next version 14:57:50 mc: also those for Shane 14:57:59 mc: noting more of these ... 14:59:39 mc: OK. All my actions relate to next publication, 15:01:53 Consensus is that we're clear of actions -- for now. The open actions relate to next publication. 15:05:41 -Jon_Gunderson 15:08:11 jongund_ has joined #pf 15:08:18 -Rich 15:08:20 -Michael_Cooper 15:08:25 -janina 15:08:27 WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM has ended 15:08:27 Attendees were Rich, janina, Michael_Cooper, Jon_Gunderson 15:08:32 zakim, bye 15:08:32 Zakim has left #pf 15:08:39 rrsagent, make minutes 15:08:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/05-pf-minutes.html janina 15:11:10 jongund__ has joined #pf 15:36:33 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #pf 17:14:13 jongund_ has joined #pf 17:47:22 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #pf 18:18:39 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #pf 18:30:33 MaryJo has joined #pf