IRC log of pf on 2013-08-05

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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 05 August 2013
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meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
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chair: Rich
13:58:07 [janina]
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 05 August 2013
13:58:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
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13:58:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
chair: Rich
13:58:37 [janina]
zakim, who's on the phone?
13:58:37 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P0, Rich
13:58:45 [janina]
zakim, ??P0 is me
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+janina; got it
13:58:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
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+??P2
14:00:21 [MichaelC]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Aug/0001.html
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+Jon_Gunderson
14:07:50 [janina]
scribe: janina
14:08:05 [richardschwerdtfeger]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Aug/0001.html
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topic: hg vs cvs
14:08:34 [janina]
General discussion of whether and when to transition to hg
14:08:43 [janina]
We need JC to finalize, but sense here is
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Leave as is for DescribedAt FPWD
14:08:58 [janina]
Then transition to hg
14:09:17 [janina]
We have until 2016 to produce ARIA 1.1 aligned with HTML 5.1, so transition in this time frame seems good
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topic: test plan
14:09:50 [janina]
rich: both for aria and uaig
14:10:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/5
14:10:37 [janina]
mc: leaving open only because not pub'd
14:10:48 [janina]
mc: for director's report
14:11:55 [janina]
rich: there are test cases oriented toward test tools in the harness, do they come out?
14:12:06 [janina]
mc: not sure which ones these are, but should come out
14:13:15 [janina]
mc: believe validator.new can cover our error handling must
14:13:58 [janina]
rich: didn't mark, but they were grouped ...
14:21:43 [janina]
[numbers identified, people looking at them and clearing them ...]
14:23:11 [janina]
rich: Only 2 pp of tests remain
14:23:35 [janina]
rich: Looking now at actions ...
14:25:14 [janina]
rich: Will have finished IE testing soon.
14:25:26 [janina]
rich: No changes are in the pipeline with IE
14:29:15 [scott_gonzalez]
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14:29:27 [janina]
[discussion of when and how to include Linux results ...]
14:29:44 [janina]
we agree to finish test runs with IE and Safari, but we will not wait on any further fixes there
14:30:14 [janina]
We will not mark Linux passes for W3 CR until IE and Safari test are run on those tests
14:32:33 [janina]
mc: on 632-646 we need to clarify why Safari can't pass ...
14:33:50 [janina]
rich: 894-899 for Win, who's running these?
14:34:11 [janina]
rich: Would be good if jg can focus on Safari
14:34:26 [janina]
jg: Only prob with Safari is no tool to see events
14:34:59 [janina]
janina: Recalling we were going to do tests involving events on Chrome
14:35:36 [jongund]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport/annotate?testsuite_id=1&filter_required=on&filter_cr_met=on&filter=Filter+view
14:35:54 [janina]
jg: These would be the ones to focus on with Chrome?
14:35:56 [janina]
rich: yes
14:37:08 [janina]
mc: Asks about qos test focus
14:37:14 [janina]
mc: Usually after TR
14:47:10 [janina]
rich: Next UAIG test cases ...
14:47:22 [janina]
rich: Can we separate these from the ARIA test cases?
14:47:42 [janina]
mc: Separate now, but only really visible in the URL
14:47:48 [janina]
mc: Need to make this more visible
14:48:12 [janina]
mc: Want review of testable statements previously written
14:48:38 [janina]
mc: Most are pretty obvious, and my focus first has been ARIA CR
14:49:00 [janina]
mc: Not sure how we get the test cases review for UAIG. Need the right folks on the review
14:49:50 [janina]
mc: review because uaig has been updated and test cases may be out of date
14:50:09 [janina]
mc: Expect we'll have about 200 tests finally for uaig
14:52:10 [janina]
mc: need to create some ui for these
14:52:37 [janina]
mc: I'll prioritize this work
14:52:53 [janina]
rich: please also respond on pub list around all this
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s/pub/public/
14:53:31 [janina]
rs: when we finish aria, do we go to director then, or do we wait for uaig testing?
14:53:43 [janina]
mc: we said we expected to exit both together
14:53:50 [janina]
mc: reason is the normative dependency
14:54:05 [janina]
mc: we may ask for a preliminary review, but not a final
14:54:29 [janina]
rich: concern is to get agreement on exit criteria for uaig
14:54:39 [janina]
rich: and second last call will be about a month?
14:54:41 [janina]
mc: yes
14:54:51 [janina]
rich: which shouldn't stop us from test cases now?
14:54:52 [janina]
mc: yes
14:55:03 [janina]
s/yes/correct/
14:55:27 [janina]
mc: we can be doing testing even before lc, so certainly during lc
14:56:03 [janina]
rich: so finish aria now, and get the uaig testing going
14:56:19 [richardschwerdtfeger]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/1
14:56:50 [janina]
topic: aria 1.0 actions
14:57:45 [janina]
mc: first 5 of mine are priority only before publishing our next version
14:57:50 [janina]
mc: also those for Shane
14:57:59 [janina]
mc: noting more of these ...
14:59:39 [janina]
mc: OK. All my actions relate to next publication,
15:01:53 [janina]
Consensus is that we're clear of actions -- for now. The open actions relate to next publication.
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-Jon_Gunderson
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-Rich
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-Michael_Cooper
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-janina
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WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Rich, janina, Michael_Cooper, Jon_Gunderson
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zakim, bye
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/05-pf-minutes.html janina
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