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13:24:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:24:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:24:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:24:48 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2013
13:25:11 <Luz> Luz has joined #rd
13:25:26 <shadi> agenda?
13:25:34 <shadi> zakim, clear agenda
13:25:34 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:25:38 <shadi> Chair: Abou-Zahra_Shadi
13:25:38 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:25:38 <shadi> Agenda+ User Modelling Symposia Timeline for Completeion of Note  [yehya]
13:25:38 <shadi> Agenda+ Draft Charter Update  [shadi]
13:25:38 <shadi> Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status  [shadi]
13:25:39 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week  [shadi]
13:25:41 <shadi> Agenda+ Next Topic Plan / New Topic Selection [shadi/markku]
13:25:42 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:25:43 <shadi> Agenda+ Close the Loop on the symposium look and feel [shadi]
13:25:45 <shadi> Agenda+ PENDING -   Easy to Read W3C Note Status  [klaus]
13:25:47 <shadi> Agenda+ PENDING -   Text Customisation W3C Note Status [shawn/david]
13:25:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:25:49 <shadi> Agenda+ PENDING -   Alternate Weekly Research - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Advice_for_Organisers_of_Catalogue_Topic_Discussions>  First Topic [sharper]
13:25:52 <shadi> Agenda+ PENDING -   Symposia Timeline http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Symposium_Timeline_Calculator [sharper]
13:25:54 <shadi> Agenda+ REPEATING - Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
13:25:56 <shadi> Agenda+ REPEATING - Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]
13:26:13 <Luz> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:26:13 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
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13:26:22 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:27:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:27:42 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:27:42 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
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13:30:40 <Zakim> +??P17
13:30:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:30:58 <Luz> zakim, mute me
13:30:58 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
13:31:02 <annika> zakim, ??P17 is me
13:31:02 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:31:10 <annika> zakim, mute me
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13:31:17 <shadi> scribe: Vivienne
13:31:18 <Luz> hahaa
13:31:23 <davidsloan> zakim, +[IPcaller} is me
13:31:23 <Zakim> sorry, davidsloan, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller}'
13:31:36 <davidsloan> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
13:31:36 <Zakim> sorry, davidsloan, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
13:31:59 <Zakim> +??P19
13:32:06 <davidsloan> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:32:06 <Zakim> +davidsloan; got it
13:32:15 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
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13:32:20 <Vivienne> scribe:vivienne
13:32:23 <kmatausc> Zakim, ??P19 is me
13:32:23 <Zakim> +kmatausc; got it
13:32:45 <kmatausc> Zakim, unmute me
13:32:45 <Zakim> kmatausc was not muted, kmatausc
13:32:52 <kmatausc> Zakim, mute me
13:32:52 <Zakim> kmatausc should now be muted
13:33:22 <Vivienne> zakim, take up aggendum 1
13:33:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up aggendum 1', Vivienne
13:33:33 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:33:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper via shadi]
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13:33:52 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:33:52 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Draft Charter Update " taken up [from shadi]
13:34:14 <Vivienne> Shadi: some minor feedback on the draft charter
13:34:19 <Zakim> +??P20
13:34:32 <giorgio> zakim, P20 is giorgio
13:34:32 <Zakim> sorry, giorgio, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'
13:34:38 <Vivienne> SA: most administrative, 1 on wording preferences
13:34:50 <giorgio> zakim, ??p20 is giorgio
13:34:50 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
13:34:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:35:06 <Vivienne> SA: 2 comments - 1 about level of detail in the timeline of the charter.  Ours is unusually detailed.
13:35:14 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4
13:35:17 <peter> zakim IPcaller is me
13:35:39 <peter> zakim +[IPcaller] is me
13:35:48 <peter> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
13:35:48 <Zakim> sorry, peter, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
13:35:54 <peter> err... :)
13:36:05 <peter> zakim, +IPcaller is me
13:36:05 <Zakim> sorry, peter, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
13:36:11 <peter> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:36:11 <Zakim> +peter; got it
13:36:12 <Vivienne> Sa: our co-chairs need to know the cycle and how much time each step would take.  But this doesn't necessarily mean that it needs to be in the charter
13:36:19 <peter> zakim, mute me
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13:36:36 <shadi> 5 or more active participants
13:36:46 <Vivienne> Sa: other comment - we have minimum participation of 5 or more active participants - question as to whether this was too low.  May have to be increased
13:36:50 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:36:51 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:37:16 <Vivienne> SA: will follow up with Simon on addressing comments in the charter - but we are operating under the current charter.  Change url to 3 rather than 4 at the end
13:38:00 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 5
13:38:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week " taken up [from shadi]
13:38:30 <Vivienne> SA: has comments on the document and these have to be talked through with the editors of the documents - Simon, Yeliz and Peter later this week
13:38:59 <Vivienne> SA: will bring the changes back to the group
13:39:05 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 6
13:39:06 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next Topic Plan / New Topic Selection" taken up [from shadi/markku via shadi]
13:39:54 <Vivienne> SA: heard back from Marku who is interested in working on the haptic and smart images symposia - will look at getting his colleagues assigned to the group and get more support. Is going to recruit co-chairs and hope to have this soon.
13:40:10 <Vivienne> SA: no calls for the next 4 weeks but emails will be active
13:40:33 <Luz> not from me
13:40:50 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 8
13:40:50 <Zakim> agendum 8. "PENDING -   Easy to Read W3C Note Status " taken up [from klaus via shadi]
13:41:03 <kmatausc> Zakim, unmute me
13:41:03 <Zakim> kmatausc should no longer be muted
13:41:08 <Vivienne> SA: Kerstin representing editors
13:41:20 <kmatausc> Hello again???
13:41:30 <kmatausc> it worked .... grrr
13:41:44 <kmatausc> Pardon?
13:41:48 <peter> (maybe just type in IRC?)
13:41:58 <kmatausc> IRC:
13:42:10 <shadi> zakim, mute kmatausc
13:42:10 <Zakim> kmatausc should now be muted
13:42:41 <kmatausc> No further updates. Klaus is at ICC and hardly to reach. We'll meet next week to discuss on some more administrative details from the report.
13:43:09 <kmatausc> yes.
13:43:28 <kmatausc> updates to the list - we'll do so.
13:43:30 <Vivienne> SA: when you meet next week can you please send an email to the list and let us know when the draft will be available?
13:43:39 <kmatausc> thank you too
13:43:52 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 9
13:43:52 <Zakim> agendum 9. "PENDING -   Text Customisation W3C Note Status" taken up [from shawn/david via shadi]
13:43:59 <davidsloan> zakim, unmute me
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13:44:41 <Vivienne> DS: the plan was to meet and talk to Shawn but was unable to make contact.  No further news because of this, but will try to speak with her before the end of the week.  Wants to have something for the group to review by the end of August.
13:44:57 <Vivienne> DS: will confirm by email
13:45:23 <Vivienne> SA: hope you can get in contact, but please confirm by email and let us know
13:45:35 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
13:45:35 <Zakim> davidsloan should now be muted
13:45:58 <Vivienne> Zakim, take up agendum 10
13:45:58 <Zakim> agendum 10. "PENDING -   Alternate Weekly Research - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Advice_for_Organisers_of_Catalogue_Topic_Discussions>  First Topic" taken up [from sharper via
13:46:01 <Zakim> ... shadi]
13:46:58 <Vivienne> SA: we will be picking from the Wiki topics that we know won't be able to do in the near future, but might still want to discuss and talk about it - exchange ideas and perspectives etc.  We will construct from those catalogue items (online) where research topics are briefly summarized in there.
13:47:27 <davidsloan> q+
13:47:47 <davidsloan> zakim, ack me
13:47:48 <Zakim> unmuting davidsloan
13:47:48 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:47:52 <Vivienne> SA: we have people such as Klaus who are working on the catalogue over the summer so by autumn we should see a first draft of the catalogue.  But the contents need to be provided through this group so we'll be working at that when we're back in September.  We;ll be having bi-weekly meetings on the research topics.
13:48:11 <Vivienne> DS: is this planned to map the current state of knowledge or identify topics where we think more work is required?
13:49:11 <Vivienne> SA: its a mixture of both - not a road map - no value judgement.  There will be cases where we can see that there is needed work in this area.  In most cases we are trying to be neutral and describe a topic - what is 'text customisation' for example.
13:49:46 <Vivienne> SA: describe to the public what it is and provide a link to other resources - help to coordinate research efforts.
13:50:35 <Vivienne> SA: I could go to the catalogue and see what's there on my topic or on related topics.  Idea is to objectively list some of the different directions of accessibility research.  May help us to identify some gaps that are less served by research which might be interesting.
13:51:43 <Vivienne> DS: are are other more substantial research topics, but some of the work that colleagues to might be appropriate.  They are more specific lines of enquiry - user interface including specific investigations to see what works best
13:52:55 <Vivienne> SA: This is how it could be used.  We have a strong imbalance without much industrial research onboard and we're actively trying to reach out to industrial research organisations.  We hope that when we get to publish our notes that this might attract more attention.  Adding to the Wiki and to these topics would help also to generate interest.
13:53:12 <Vivienne> SA: foster change across disciplines, applied academic research
13:53:52 <Vivienne> SA: add those topics to the Wiki
13:54:17 <Vivienne> DS: I'll take this back to researchers
13:54:37 <Vivienne> SA: others in the group might be interested in that topic
13:54:52 <Vivienne> Sa: the example of design patterns
13:55:06 <Vivienne> DS: correction - accessibility consultants rather than researchers :)
13:55:17 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
13:55:17 <Zakim> davidsloan should now be muted
13:55:45 <Vivienne> I put an email to the list about the accreditation idea today
13:56:18 <Vivienne> SA: telemedicine, virtual reality etc for ideas for the catalogue.  Could be a jumping board from the catalogue to future symposia
13:56:45 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 11
13:56:45 <Zakim> agendum 11. "PENDING -   Symposia Timeline http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Symposium_Timeline_Calculator" taken up [from sharper via shadi]
13:57:25 <Vivienne> SA: we want the symposia within a 3 month cycle
13:58:08 <Vivienne> SA: we've been struggling with this for a while on how to get in a 3-month cycle - where are the bottlenecks, or where could things be done more quickly.  Please look and provide thoughts and feedback.
13:58:28 <Vivienne> SA:  other topics or other business?
13:58:28 <davidsloan> q+
13:58:34 <davidsloan> zakim, ack me
13:58:35 <Zakim> unmuting davidsloan
13:58:35 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:59:16 <Vivienne> DS: happy to take a lead in developing the tips for developing accessibility
13:59:17 <peter> great!!
13:59:25 <Vivienne> sorry Dave, I missed the last part of that
13:59:48 <Vivienne> SA: it's an important and useful resource to those who want to be involved in accessibility research
14:00:17 <davidsloan> working title is "tips for accessibility-aware research"
14:00:44 <Vivienne> SA: recommend to write a miniature requirements analysis - who is it for, what is the purpose, what is the approach to be used, and outline of what will be in there.  Helps you and also gives something to the group to review.
14:01:00 <Vivienne> SA:  maybe you can have it by September
14:01:38 <Vivienne> SA: we have a call next week July 31st and then we'll have 4 weeks' break
14:01:47 <peter> cheers
14:01:48 <Luz> Thank you.
14:01:49 <Vivienne> zakim, unmute me
14:01:49 <Zakim> Vivienne should no longer be muted
14:01:51 <annika> bye
14:01:52 <giorgio> thanks bye bye
14:01:56 <Zakim> -annika
14:01:59 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:02:00 <Zakim> -peter
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14:02:02 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:02:04 <Zakim> -giorgio
14:02:07 <Zakim> -davidsloan
14:02:11 <Zakim> -Luz
14:02:14 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:02:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:02:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Luz, Shadi, Vivienne, annika, davidsloan, kmatausc, giorgio, peter
14:02:15 <peter> peter has left #rd
14:02:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:02:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/24-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:02:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:02:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items