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20:55:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
20:55:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
20:55:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
20:55:55 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2013
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20:59:56 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has now started
20:59:57 <Zakim> +??P0
21:00:25 <Zakim> +??P1
21:00:27 <Zakim> -??P1
21:00:27 <Zakim> +??P1
21:00:58 <jasonjgw> zakim, ??P1 is jasonjgw
21:00:58 <Zakim> +jasonjgw; got it
21:01:06 <Zakim> +??P2
21:01:37 <janina> zakim, ??P2 is me
21:01:37 <Zakim> +janina; got it
21:02:02 <janina> trackbot, start meeting
21:02:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
21:02:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
21:02:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM already started
21:02:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
21:02:07 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2013
21:02:36 <janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
21:02:36 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
21:02:36 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
21:02:36 <janina> agenda+ TPAC2013 http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2013
21:02:36 <janina> agenda+ Events Module Publication Consensus http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Jul/0013.html
21:02:39 <janina> agenda+ UI Events FPWD Expected
21:02:42 <janina> agenda+ Model Based UI Conversation http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.w3.org/2011/mbui/&sa=U&ei=4tHtUfLGAaSGyQHvyYBg&ved=0CBgQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNECzWZ8bCMJRLBTDgf6hK3XcTqJfg
21:02:45 <janina> agenda+ Events Requirements -- Next Steps
21:02:47 <janina> agenda+ Testing Events Discussion
21:02:50 <janina> agenda+ User Context Requirements: next steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Jun/0060.html
21:02:51 <jasonjgw> zakim, mute me
21:02:51 <Zakim> jasonjgw should now be muted
21:02:53 <janina> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
21:02:56 <janina> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
21:02:59 <janina> agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 7 August at 21:00Z)
21:03:01 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
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21:04:29 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
21:04:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, jasonjgw, janina
21:04:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see andy, jasonjgw, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, MichaelC, trackbot, hober, eeejay
21:04:43 <Zakim> +??P3
21:04:56 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is Andy
21:04:56 <Zakim> +Andy; got it
21:05:10 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
21:05:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
21:07:39 <janina> zakim, take up item 5
21:07:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Model Based UI Conversation http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.w3.org/2011/mbui/&sa=U&ei=4tHtUfLGAaSGyQHvyYBg&ved=0CBgQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNECzWZ8bCMJRLBTDgf6hK3XcTqJfg"
21:07:42 <Zakim> ... taken up [from janina]
21:08:20 <janina> mc: We have a request from the wg
21:08:52 <janina> mc: To telecon with them and describe our work, and engage in a coordination conversation
21:09:05 <Zakim> +[Apple]
21:09:08 <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
21:09:08 <Zakim> +hober; got it
21:12:32 <janina> zakim, close item 5
21:12:32 <Zakim> agendum 5, Model Based UI Conversation http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.w3.org/2011/mbui/&sa=U&ei=4tHtUfLGAaSGyQHvyYBg&ved=0CBgQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNECzWZ8bCMJRLBTDgf6hK3XcTqJfg,
21:12:35 <Zakim> ... closed
21:12:35 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:12:35 <Zakim> 1. preview agenda with items from two minutes [from janina]
21:12:41 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
21:12:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
21:12:52 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/mbui/ MBUI WG
21:13:08 <janina> scribe: janina
21:13:39 <janina> zakim, close iem 1
21:13:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close iem 1', janina
21:13:45 <janina> zakim, close item 1
21:13:45 <Zakim> agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
21:13:46 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:13:46 <Zakim> 2. TPAC2013 http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2013 [from janina]
21:13:50 <janina> zakim, next item
21:13:50 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC2013 http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2013" taken up [from janina]
21:14:10 <MichaelC> scribe: jasonjgw
21:14:11 <jasonjgw> zakim, mute me
21:14:11 <Zakim> jasonjgw should now be muted
21:15:50 <jasonjgw> TPAC meeting: letters of recommendation recommended for visa purposes and hotel reservations need to be made (with limited availability). The agenda will appear closer to the meeting. Visa applications can be time-consuming.
21:16:53 <janina> zakim, next item
21:16:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Events Module Publication Consensus http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Jul/0013.html" taken up [from janina]
21:18:33 <MichaelC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Jul/0011.html
21:19:05 <MichaelC> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/e1d36dc3cfba/src/indie-ui-events.html
21:19:48 <jasonjgw> Janina issues a call for comments and objections regarding publication of the Events module at the above URI.
21:20:10 <jasonjgw> Consensus: the working group resolves to publish the document.
21:20:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, unmute me
21:20:17 <Zakim> jasonjgw should no longer be muted
21:23:07 <jasonjgw> RESOLUTION: Publish the document at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/e1d36dc3cfba/src/indie-ui-events.html as a updated Public Working Draft
21:23:32 <janina> zakim, next item
21:23:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "UI Events FPWD Expected" taken up [from janina]
21:25:01 <jasonjgw> The Web Applications working group is about to publish UI Events. Janina notes that Michael has reviewed the document and there are no conflicts with our work.
21:25:44 <Zakim> +Rich
21:25:57 <jasonjgw> Janina clarifies that it's a first public working draft.
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21:27:44 <jasonjgw> The URI is expected to be available soon and will be forwarded to the IndieUI list then.
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21:29:41 <jasonjgw> Rich notes issues of particular interest - activate/click and mutation events.
21:30:44 <janina> zakim, next item
21:30:44 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Events Requirements -- Next Steps" taken up [from janina]
21:31:04 <MichaelC> action-42?
21:31:04 <trackbot> ACTION-42 -- Michael Cooper to consolidate use cases -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN
21:31:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/42
21:31:38 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements IndieUI (Events) Use Cases and Requirements
21:31:51 <jasonjgw> Janina notes interest in developing a formal use cases and requirements document for IndieUI Events.
21:32:54 <jasonjgw> Michael notes that some of the use cases could be combined and clarified; he has consolidated scenarios in the wiki now, while avoiding other substantive changes to the material.
21:33:42 <jasonjgw> Michael's next step is to separate use cases from requirements structurally in the document and to consolidate requirements, linking them to scenarios.
21:35:11 <jasonjgw> The requirements should then be reviewed and prioritized. He proposes to carry out this work.
21:36:04 <jasonjgw> The working group will need to review it, to do the prioritization and prepare the document for publication prior to CR.
21:36:42 <jasonjgw> Two working drafts, at least, can be expected before the Events Last Call.
21:37:29 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/User_Context/Requirements IndieUI (User Context) Requirements
21:37:51 <jasonjgw> Michael notes in reply to Andy that the requirements for User Contexts are now separate from those for Events (see their respective URIs).
21:39:04 <jasonjgw> Michael also suggests a parallel format for the User Contexts and Events requirements documents.
21:40:05 <jasonjgw> Andy undertakes, per his action item, to follow a similar format to the Events use cases in drafting User Contexts use cases/scenarios.
21:41:33 <MichaelC> action-61?
21:41:33 <trackbot> ACTION-61 -- Andy Heath to heath to provide Use Cases -- due 2013-07-17 -- OPEN
21:41:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/61
21:43:42 <MichaelC> action-61: User Context requirements being developed at http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/User_Context/Requirements
21:43:42 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-61 Heath to provide Use Cases.
21:45:28 <jasonjgw> No objections to Michael's proposal to move requirements into a separate section, separate from scenarios, in the Events requirements document.
21:46:00 <janina> zakim, next item
21:46:00 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Testing Events Discussion" taken up [from janina]
21:46:49 <janina> jw: No developments since our last discussion of this.
21:47:04 <janina> jw: We're waiting on implementation news to understand how we will build our testing
21:47:21 <janina> jw: Hopefully, we will be able to automate testing
21:47:47 <janina> mProcess question: What do we want next
21:48:11 <janina> jw: If we know what implementations ae doing, we can move forward, so how to get that?
21:48:57 <janina> mc: Understand there's webkit, maybe safari implementation? When James is back we can ask.
21:49:15 <janina> mc: Ask about webkit, not safari.
21:49:38 <janina> hober: It's an open source project, so easy to check into
21:50:25 <jasonjgw> There is discussion of implementations.
21:50:38 <janina> janina: We believe Googls is working on it, but unsure how close it is to Apple's webkit.
21:50:45 <janina> janina: We best discover that soon
21:50:50 <jasonjgw> Michael suggests determining a precise question to raise with implementors.
21:51:00 <janina> mc: Suggests Jason liaz with Domenic
21:51:03 <janina> jw: good
21:51:24 <jasonjgw> Jason and Michael agree to prepare this and to liaise appropriately.
21:52:09 <janina> zakim, next topic
21:52:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', janina
21:52:16 <janina> zakim, next topic
21:52:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', janina
21:52:22 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
21:52:22 <Zakim> agendum 8. "User Context Requirements: next steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Jun/0060.html" taken up [from janina]
21:53:05 <jasonjgw> This was partially covered in the earlier item on requriements.
21:53:28 <janina> jw: I've had an informal read through ISO 72451
21:53:51 <janina> jw: A large number of assertions in ISO not currently in our requirements
21:53:52 <andy> q+
21:54:24 <janina> jw: Some should probably not migrate to our reqs, i.e. parts that sys app doesn't have control over
21:54:32 <janina> q?
21:54:57 <janina> jw: How to add? Separate, incorporated, there are quite a few, including some very interesting ones
21:55:32 <MichaelC> ack a
21:55:48 <janina> ah: The ISO has lots that's not used
21:56:02 <janina> ah: We determined to start us with a smaller model
21:56:32 <janina> ah: The GPII people are planning a registry that will be seeded with 72451
21:57:02 <janina> ah: Suggest we put them at the end of ours
21:57:29 <janina> jw: I can prepare a separate doc that includes 72451 that isn't current in our doc
21:58:19 <janina> ah: Suggest we try to coordinate our vocabularies if we can
21:58:50 <janina> s/72451/24751/g
21:59:59 <janina> jw: Will do my best to create a list in a separate doc for us to consider alongside the items already proposed here
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22:02:30 <jasonjgw> zakim, list participants
22:02:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, Michael_Cooper, Andy, hober, Rich
22:02:50 <Zakim> -[Apple]
22:02:57 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
22:02:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/24-indie-ui-minutes.html jasonjgw
22:02:59 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:03:11 <Zakim> -Rich
22:03:27 <Zakim> -Andy
22:05:22 <Zakim> -janina
22:05:23 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has ended
22:05:23 <Zakim> Attendees were jasonjgw, janina, Michael_Cooper, Andy, hober, Rich
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