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14:52:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 72724
14:52:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Push API Patent Advisory Group Teleconference
14:52:15 <trackbot> Date: 23 July 2013
14:52:31 <wseltzer> wseltzer has changed the topic to: Push API PAG call July 23, 11AM Boston
14:52:44 <wseltzer> Chair: wseltzer
14:56:58 <Zakim> SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM has now started
14:57:04 <Zakim> +Larry_Rosen
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14:59:04 <wseltzer> agenda+ Agenda bashing
14:59:12 <wseltzer> zakim, clear agenda
14:59:12 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:59:14 <wseltzer> agenda+ Agenda bashing
14:59:27 <wseltzer> agenda+ 1. Claims Analysis wiki,
14:59:32 <wseltzer> https://www.w3.org/2013/papag/wiki/Claims_Analysis
14:59:39 <Zakim> + +1.408.839.aaaa
14:59:43 <wseltzer> agenda+ 1.5. Call for volunteers to analyze claims
14:59:52 <wseltzer> agenda+ 2. Draft report template, https://www.w3.org/2013/papag/wiki/PAG_Report
14:59:59 <wseltzer> agenda+  3. Any additional volunteers or resources?
15:00:03 <wseltzer> agenda+ AOB
15:01:10 <Zakim> +??P0
15:01:25 <wseltzer> zakim, I am ??p0
15:01:25 <Zakim> +wseltzer; got it
15:01:29 <wseltzer> zakim, who is here?
15:01:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Larry_Rosen, +1.408.839.aaaa, wseltzer
15:01:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see lrosen, RRSAgent, trackbot, Zakim, Yves, wseltzer
15:01:56 <wseltzer> zakim, aaaa is Doug_Turner
15:01:56 <Zakim> +Doug_Turner; got it
15:03:44 <plh> plh has joined #papag
15:03:52 <Zakim> +Plh
15:04:20 <wseltzer> past calls: http://www.w3.org/2013/07/02-papag-minutes.html and http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-papag-minutes.html
15:05:28 <Zakim> +??P27
15:07:05 <wseltzer> plh: We checked shortly before we launched the PAG to ask Nokia whether they continued to assert their claims against the spec
15:07:13 <wseltzer> ... at that time, they said yes
15:07:54 <wseltzer> ... W3C team had a conversation with Nokia legal
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15:08:22 <wseltzer> agenda?
15:08:49 <chaals> zakim, code?
15:08:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 72724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
15:09:29 <Zakim> +??P33
15:09:40 <wseltzer> Doug_Turner: It would be good to know, before spinning up PAG infrastructure, whether claims apply against current draft
15:09:54 <Yves> note http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JulSep/0102.html so a new WD should be published soon
15:10:03 <Yves> deadline today
15:10:13 <chaals> zakim, ??p3 is me
15:10:13 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
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15:12:52 <wseltzer> Topic: Claims Analysis
15:12:53 <wseltzer> https://www.w3.org/2013/papag/wiki/Claims_Analysis
15:15:34 <wseltzer> wseltzer: please look at the chart and add to it
15:16:21 <wseltzer> dougt: what do we need to do with broad claims?
15:17:59 <dougt> who's talking?
15:18:48 <dougt> ty
15:19:08 <wseltzer> zakim, who's speaking?
15:19:15 <chaals> q+
15:19:20 <Zakim> wseltzer, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:19:33 <chaals> q-
15:19:48 <chaals> q+
15:20:06 <wseltzer> lrosen: did Nokia say anything additional in its disclosure?
15:20:08 <wseltzer> wseltzer: no
15:21:53 <chaals> ack me
15:22:27 <wseltzer> wseltzer: It could be helpful to know whether the patents have been asserted against anyone else, or reviewed in court
15:22:52 <wseltzer> chaals: whether or not the patent has been asserted wouldn't tell us anything in itself
15:23:15 <chaals> s/wouldn't tell us anything in itself/isn't actually all that useful/
15:25:04 <chaals> q+
15:25:07 <wseltzer> dougt: the patents look incredibly broad
15:25:39 <wseltzer> ack ch
15:25:46 <dougt> lolz
15:25:53 <dougt> chaals: agreed
15:26:00 <dougt> tell us how you really feel.
15:27:34 <Zakim> -Yves
15:27:58 <chaals> q+
15:28:57 <lrosen> Q+
15:29:16 <chaals> q-
15:29:23 <wseltzer> dougt: if Mozilla counsel analyzed these and brought analysis back to the group, would that be helpful?
15:29:27 <wseltzer> group: yes
15:29:44 <wseltzer> ack lrosen
15:30:17 <wseltzer> lrosen: has anyone looked at the file wrappers to see the history of the claims
15:30:53 <dougt> dropped.  calling back.
15:31:01 <Zakim> -Plh
15:31:13 <wseltzer> ... there may have been objections by the examiner, other limiting material in the record
15:31:49 <Zakim> -Doug_Turner
15:31:59 <chaals> [+1 to Larry, looking at the file wrapper is actually really useful]
15:32:24 <chaals> […especially if you have enough understanding of the technology to know what they are talking about...]
15:32:38 <Zakim> +Doug_Turner
15:32:45 <dougt> :)
15:33:26 <wseltzer> lrosen: It would be useful to do the file-wrapper analysis early
15:33:55 <dougt> chaals: how would we know that?
15:35:46 <chaals> q+ to ask if larry has the time and expertise to provide pointers to the wrapper files
15:35:56 <chaals> ack
15:35:59 <chaals> ack me
15:35:59 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to ask if larry has the time and expertise to provide pointers to the wrapper files
15:36:36 <wseltzer> [patents listed in the charter: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/push-pag-charter.html]
15:38:04 <wseltzer> chaals: asks for pointers to the wrapper files
15:38:08 <wseltzer> lrosen: will provide
15:38:13 <wseltzer> wseltzer: please add to the wiki
15:38:32 <wseltzer> s/provide/provide links to the USPTO website/
15:39:08 <wseltzer> dougt: we're going to implement this, we're going to ship it; we believe it's simple enough not to infringe patents
15:39:31 <wseltzer> ... when will PAG be done?
15:40:23 <wseltzer> sample https://www.w3.org/2013/papag/wiki/PAG_Report
15:44:29 <Zakim> -chaals
15:44:31 <Zakim> -Doug_Turner
15:44:32 <Zakim> -wseltzer
15:44:34 <Zakim> -Larry_Rosen
15:44:35 <Zakim> SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM has ended
15:44:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Larry_Rosen, +1.408.839.aaaa, wseltzer, Doug_Turner, Plh, Yves, chaals
15:44:47 <wseltzer> wseltzer: Next call, August 6, same time and channel
15:45:03 <wseltzer> ... hopes to see more work done on the wiki in between
15:45:36 <wseltzer> trackbot, end teleconf
15:45:36 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:45:36 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:45:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:45:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/23-papag-minutes.html trackbot
15:45:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:45:49 <wseltzer> trackbot, this was PAPAG
15:45:49 <trackbot> Sorry, wseltzer, I don't understand 'trackbot, this was PAPAG'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
15:46:02 <wseltzer> RRSAgent, make logs public