IRC log of aapi on 2013-07-16

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0006.html
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+[Mozilla]
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chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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topic: action-1200
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action-1200?
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
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JS: I've done work for the table of author errors.
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JS: Cynthia approves, but I want your opinion, davidb
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JS: It has to do with author errors and required aria attributes on roles.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
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JS: <describes tables>
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DB: yeah.
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DB: let me think about it.
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s/describes tables/describes table/
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19:13:04 [davidb]
s/let me think about it/ok
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DB: i still don't like 'undefined' as a literal value
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DB: I've gone over these in my head, and I don't think there is any problems.
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JS: I don't like 'undefined' as a literal value either.
19:16:04 [davidb]
I think surkov would agree.
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you can see we have to actually check undefined here sigh http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/nsAccUtils.cpp#184
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anyways
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Resolved: close action-1200.
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JS: related issue about aria-checked undefined.
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JS: Should that not also say the accessible is not check-able, where the AAPI allows that?
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DB: probably, there is a checkabl state is IA2.
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JS: and there something simliar in AT-SPI.
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JS: the spec states that aria-checked being undefined means the accessilble is not check-able.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-checked
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The element does not support being checked
19:26:45 [davidb]
discussion from aug 8 2008 (5 years ago) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452388
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-[Mozilla]
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JS: note comment 6 — https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452388#c6
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JS: where aaron says, "Any "undefined" value for something of type NMTOKEN is the same as it not being present."
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JS: that is and explicit "undefined" string is equivalent to the attribute being absent.
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s/that is and/that is, an/
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 July 2013
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regrets: Cynthia_Shelley
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, [Mozilla]
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present: David_Bolter, Joseph_Scheuhammer
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