IRC log of aapi on 2013-07-16
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0006.html
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- +[Mozilla]
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- chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- trackbot, listen to clown
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- Sorry, davidb_, I don't understand 'trackbot, listen to clown'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- topic: action-1200
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- action-1200?
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- Sorry, but this channel isn't in my configuration.
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
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- JS: I've done work for the table of author errors.
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- JS: Cynthia approves, but I want your opinion, davidb
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- JS: It has to do with author errors and required aria attributes on roles.
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
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- JS: <describes tables>
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- DB: yeah.
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- DB: let me think about it.
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- s/describes tables/describes table/
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- 19:13:04 [davidb]
- s/let me think about it/ok
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- DB: i still don't like 'undefined' as a literal value
- 19:14:06 [clown]
- DB: I've gone over these in my head, and I don't think there is any problems.
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- JS: I don't like 'undefined' as a literal value either.
- 19:16:04 [davidb]
- I think surkov would agree.
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- you can see we have to actually check undefined here sigh http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/nsAccUtils.cpp#184
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- anyways
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- Resolved: close action-1200.
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- JS: related issue about aria-checked undefined.
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- JS: Should that not also say the accessible is not check-able, where the AAPI allows that?
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- DB: probably, there is a checkabl state is IA2.
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- JS: and there something simliar in AT-SPI.
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- JS: the spec states that aria-checked being undefined means the accessilble is not check-able.
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-checked
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- The element does not support being checked
- 19:26:45 [davidb]
- discussion from aug 8 2008 (5 years ago) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452388
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- -[Mozilla]
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- JS: note comment 6 — https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452388#c6
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- JS: where aaron says, "Any "undefined" value for something of type NMTOKEN is the same as it not being present."
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- JS: that is and explicit "undefined" string is equivalent to the attribute being absent.
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- s/that is and/that is, an/
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- Associated this channel with #pf.
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 16 July 2013
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- regrets: Cynthia_Shelley
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, [Mozilla]
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- present: David_Bolter, Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- RRSAgent: make minutes
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