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14:59:52 <Zakim> SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM has now started
14:59:59 <Zakim> +Wendy
15:00:40 <Zakim> +dbaron
15:01:59 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:02:20 <Zakim> + +44.771.520.aaaa
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15:03:00 <dka> zakim, aaaa is me
15:03:02 <Zakim> sorry, dka, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:20 <Zakim> +??P19
15:04:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:55 <wseltzer> zakim, ??P19 is efullea
15:04:55 <Zakim> +efullea; got it
15:04:55 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
15:04:56 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:06:28 <wseltzer> agenda?
15:07:14 <Zakim> +Yves
15:07:47 <dka> zakim, Dan_Appelquist is me
15:07:47 <Zakim> sorry, dka, I do not recognize a party named 'Dan_Appelquist'
15:09:26 <chaals> q+
15:10:59 <chaals> ack me
15:12:12 <shepazu> q+
15:13:24 <wseltzer> http://www.w3.org/2013/03/push-pag-charter.html
15:16:49 <efullea> q+
15:17:01 <wseltzer> Yves: the spec is quite small, the PAG slows it down
15:17:18 <chaals> q+
15:17:19 <dbaron> q+
15:17:21 <wseltzer> ... it's also of interest to sysapps, check with dsr
15:17:25 <wseltzer> q?
15:17:31 <wseltzer> ack next
15:17:43 <wseltzer> ack next
15:18:14 <wseltzer> efullea: Which version of the spec will be analyzed?
15:18:42 <wseltzer> ... latest ED has substantial changes over PWD
15:19:17 <shepazu> q+ to address that qestion
15:19:44 <chaals> q-
15:19:49 <wseltzer> ack shepazu
15:19:49 <Zakim> shepazu, you wanted to address that qestion
15:20:22 <Yves> +1 on pushing a new version asap
15:20:25 <wseltzer> shepazu: we're trying to produce a RF spec, so it's most relevant for us to review the latest draft
15:21:28 <wseltzer> efullea: will work with co-editor and chairs to publish a next WD
15:21:41 <shepazu> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/push/raw-file/tip/index.html
15:21:53 <wseltzer> ack next
15:22:31 <wseltzer> dbaron: the current ED is essentially a different approach from the current WD
15:22:37 <chaals> q+ to reply to dbaron
15:22:38 <efullea> q+
15:23:24 <wseltzer> ... an option would be to publish as a new spec, on which there might be different disclosures
15:23:37 <efullea> there are substantial changes with regards to the TR draft but it is definitely not a new spec
15:23:49 <wseltzer> chaals: that would be unusual
15:24:14 <shepazu> q+
15:24:33 <wseltzer> ack chaals
15:24:33 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to reply to dbaron
15:24:42 <wseltzer> ack next
15:25:56 <dka> q+
15:26:47 <chaals> [For the record: Nokia really doesn't have anyone at work in July who has the basic knowledge to participate in a simple group like this?]
15:27:21 <wseltzer> efullea: ask Nokia whether they believe their exclusions to apply to latest draft
15:27:36 <wseltzer> ack next
15:27:53 <dka> q-
15:29:26 <Zakim> -Yves
15:31:01 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:31:01 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mode of work and confidentiality level" taken up [from wseltzer]
15:32:39 <wseltzer> wseltzer: Should we operate in member-only mode?
15:36:07 <wseltzer> Shall we operate in member-only mode?
15:36:15 <chaals> [couldn't care less]
15:36:29 <chaals> q+
15:38:14 <wseltzer> ack chaals
15:39:52 <wseltzer> Postpone the decision, continue operating in public for now.
15:40:03 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:40:03 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Scheduling ongoing work" taken up [from wseltzer]
15:45:23 <wseltzer> wseltzer: Seeking volunteers for ongoing work
15:45:37 <wseltzer> efullea: volunteers
15:45:51 <wseltzer> dka: made a request to GSMA for legal assistance
15:47:05 <chaals> [I will do some work too]
15:48:26 <wseltzer> shepazu: suggests that mailing list be our primary mode of interaction, with teleconfs scheduled only as necessary
15:48:53 <dka> q+ to comment on call schedule
15:49:10 <Zakim> -chaals
15:49:34 <wseltzer> ack dka
15:49:34 <Zakim> dka, you wanted to comment on call schedule
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15:49:53 <wseltzer> dka: TAG has made calls into status updates; short but frequent
15:49:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:50:06 <chaals1> zakim, [ip is me
15:50:06 <Zakim> +chaals1; got it
15:51:40 <wseltzer> shepazu: methods: everyone reads the spec, everyone reads the patents and extracts the independent claims
15:52:17 <wseltzer> ... group assesses match or not of essential claims of spec to indent claims' elements
15:55:21 <wseltzer> s/indent/independent/
15:56:50 <dka> +1 to shepazu's comments.
15:58:28 <wseltzer> shepazu: we should look for the work necessary to produce an RF spec, not unnecessary invalidty analysis
15:58:40 <Zakim> -dbaron
15:58:41 <Zakim> -dka
15:58:42 <Zakim> -Wendy
15:58:43 <Zakim> -efullea
15:58:43 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:58:45 <Zakim> -chaals1
15:58:47 <Zakim> SEC_(PUSHAPIPAG)11:00AM has ended
15:58:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Wendy, dbaron, Doug_Schepers, +44.771.520.aaaa, dka, [IPcaller], efullea, chaals, Yves, chaals1
15:59:10 <wseltzer> shepazu: I'll take the action to start a page on patent claims analysis
15:59:23 <wseltzer> chair: wseltzer
15:59:26 <wseltzer> scribe: wseltzer
15:59:30 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/02-papag-minutes.html wseltzer
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