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15:02:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
15:02:22 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:02:22 <trackbot> Date: 02 July 2013
15:02:57 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:57 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:03:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, adrianba, paulc, johnsim, pladd, davide, ddorwin, glenn, trackbot, wseltzer
15:03:19 <adrianba> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:03:19 <Zakim> ok, adrianba, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
15:04:00 <Zakim> +??P17
15:04:08 <glenn> zakim, ??p17 is me
15:04:08 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:04:10 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
15:04:13 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
15:04:13 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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15:04:30 <johnsim> scribenic johnsim
15:04:46 <adrianba> ScribeNick: johnsim
15:04:51 <adrianba> Scribe: John Simmons
15:04:54 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
15:04:56 <Zakim> + +1.425.202.aacc
15:04:58 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Jul/0002.html
15:05:14 <ddorwin> zakim, aacc is me
15:05:14 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:05:15 <johnsim> Topic: 1. Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
15:05:26 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
15:05:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.760.533.aaaa, +44.303.040.aabb, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], glenn, adrianba, ddorwin
15:05:41 <johnsim> zakim, [microsoft] is me
15:05:41 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
15:05:42 <pladd> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:05:42 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
15:05:58 <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:05:58 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:06:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:15 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see pladd, +44.303.040.aabb, johnsim, paulc, glenn, adrianba, ddorwin, [Microsoft]
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15:07:01 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is jdsmith
15:07:01 <Zakim> +jdsmith; got it
15:07:31 <johnsim> topic: 2. Previous meeting minutes
15:08:01 <johnsim> noted
15:08:23 <johnsim> Topic: 3.  Review of action items and issues
15:08:34 <johnsim> noted
15:09:01 <johnsim> Topic: 4. EME status and bugs
15:09:34 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aadd
15:09:45 <paulc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html was updated on Jul 2
15:09:47 <BobLund> zakim, aadd is me
15:09:47 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:10:11 <paulc> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo now indicates 19 bugs
15:10:29 <adrianba> ACTION-10?
15:10:29 <trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Adrian Bateman to discuss bug 21855 with johnsim -- due 2013-06-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:10:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10
15:10:47 <johnsim>  c) ACTION-10: Discuss bug 21855 with johnsim (Adrian and John S)  https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10  DONE.  See:  https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5
15:11:23 <johnsim> Adrianba: waiting on feedback on the discussion two weeks ago whether people agree with this proposal
15:11:54 <johnsim> adrianba: has David had time to think about this and proposal on events and lifetime of a session, but feedback from anyone is welcome
15:12:25 <johnsim> Task force members are requested to look at comment 5 and provide feedback
15:12:42 <adrianba> close ACTION-10
15:12:42 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-10 Discuss bug 21855 with johnsim.
15:13:16 <paulc> Paul to carry this item forward if no review is done by the next meeting.
15:13:27 <adrianba> ACTION-13?
15:13:27 <trackbot> ACTION-13 -- Adrian Bateman to review comments and add text to editor's draft for bug 19009 -- due 2013-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:13:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/13
15:13:57 <johnsim> Adrianba: work done on this, this morning
15:13:57 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19009
15:14:12 <adrianba> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/rev/f4d8dc9bdacc
15:14:29 <johnsim> paulc: can be closed because text is in the editors draft
15:14:31 <adrianba> close ACTION-13
15:14:32 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-13 Review comments and add text to editor's draft for bug 19009.
15:14:33 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19009 is marked as RESOLVED FIXED
15:14:50 <adrianba> ACTION-17?
15:14:50 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Adrian Bateman to provide feedback on keySystem string bugs 16540 and 20798 -- due 2013-05-28 -- CLOSED
15:14:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/17
15:15:05 <adrianba> ACTION-20?
15:15:05 <trackbot> ACTION-20 -- Adrian Bateman to implement bugs 16540 and 20798 per the suggestion in ACTION-17 -- due 2013-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:15:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/20
15:15:15 <johnsim> adrianba: created new action 20 and action 17 is closed
15:15:46 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16540
15:16:01 <johnsim> adrianba: action 20 is pending review, done in draft and can be closed as well
15:16:12 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20798
15:16:39 <adrianba> close ACTION-20
15:16:39 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-20 Implement bugs 16540 and 20798 per the suggestion in ACTION-17.
15:16:45 <adrianba> ACTION-19?
15:16:45 <trackbot> ACTION-19 -- John Simmons to will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 -- due 2013-06-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:16:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/19
15:17:04 <paulc> See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854#c9
15:18:14 <johnsim> adrianba: summary: this was the proposal we made on the last call, discussed two weeks ago, discussions are clarifications on the proposal
15:18:55 <johnsim> ... with the state model for the session and related to the previous bug associated with action-10 - waiting for hopefully support so we can put that into the spec - if someone has a counter-proposal that is what we are waiting for
15:19:55 <johnsim> ... made the proposal on the morning of the call - hoping by now people will have thought about it and have some thoughts
15:20:25 <johnsim> ddorwin: haven't had a chance, but will after the July 4th holiday in the US
15:20:48 <adrianba> close ACTION-19
15:20:48 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-19 Will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854.
15:20:51 <johnsim> paulc: mark action done and carry bug forward
15:21:00 <paulc> Paul will carry this bug discussion forward to the next meeting (if it is not resolved).
15:21:44 <paulc> Topic: open bugs
15:21:45 <paulc> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo now indicates 19 bugs
15:22:13 <johnsim> paulc: nominate bugs to discuss?
15:25:55 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17203 depends on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17199 currently
15:26:11 <paulc> Adrian wonders if we could simply resolve 17203 independent of 17199
15:26:20 <johnsim> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17203
15:26:41 <johnsim> adrianba: discussion was over what period of time you need uniqueness
15:26:59 <johnsim> ... of the browser session, not necessarily the key session
15:27:14 <johnsim> proposal is to unhook 203 from 199
15:27:35 <johnsim> ACTION on adrianba to resolve 203 independent from 199
15:27:35 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
15:27:54 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to resolve 17203 independent from 17199
15:27:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Resolve 17203 independent from 17199 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-07-09].
15:28:36 <ddorwin> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
15:29:07 <johnsim> ddorwin: discussion to clean up text to fix ISO section - looking for help from those who know more about ISO than me
15:29:20 <johnsim> ddorwin: there are corner cases which i could not figure out how to handle
15:29:52 <johnsim> paulc: outstanding items?
15:30:30 <johnsim> ddorwin: attempted to fill in from the text in the bug comments and found problems (edge cases)
15:31:23 <paulc> ACTION: ddorwin and John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673
15:31:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-07-09].
15:32:06 <johnsim> paulc: signing off at this point - perhaps David or Adrian could take over for rest of call
15:32:47 <Zakim> -paulc
15:32:57 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16616
15:34:05 <johnsim> ddorwin: we settled on option 2, which is needkey event fired - so we can resolve this
15:34:26 <adrianba> RESOLUTION: Bug 16616 is already fixed in the document
15:35:06 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096
15:35:17 <johnsim> adrianba: suggestion to add a type attribute
15:37:20 <johnsim> johnsim: would there be different initdata formats for the same MIME type
15:37:26 <johnsim> ddorwin: don't think so
15:39:10 <johnsim> adrianba: in general, likely a basic mime type would be sufficient, conceivable parameters to the MIME type that could impact on InitData format
15:39:37 <johnsim> ... but that string could be passed here
15:40:21 <johnsim> adrianba: is it sufficient to say video webm or do we need to include parameters - no need to include in normative text
15:41:37 <johnsim> adrianba: a relatively simple change. Steven's proposal is what I outlined so i would be happy to draft the change and next time see if there are any objections and then apply to spec - or i could
15:41:48 <johnsim> ... make the change and see if there are objections
15:41:57 <johnsim> ddorwin: lets just make the change - pretty simple
15:42:11 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to implement bug 19096 in the editor's draft
15:42:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Implement bug 19096 in the editor's draft [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-07-09].
15:42:59 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19156
15:44:30 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:44:36 <johnsim> adrianba: i made a suggestion we add text - 19009 - the comments we discussed previously that the media key session might not be active until you call set mediakey
15:44:47 <johnsim> s/set mediakey/setmediakey/
15:45:00 <johnsim> ddorwin: we can address this one now
15:45:12 <adrianba> RESOLUTION: bug 19156 has been addresses in the current document
15:46:32 <ddorwin> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
15:47:05 <johnsim> ddorwin: current plan is to go into spec and see what is missing
15:47:29 <johnsim> adrianba: for this one, our take was that we were trying to do a bit more research - under what circumstances "close" might be needed
15:47:55 <johnsim> ... as part of the discussion for session events, because - besides key release process - the central question here is
15:48:11 <johnsim> ... is there a circumstnace when the application knows more about the lifetime of a key should be than the CDM
15:48:27 <johnsim> ... so that it would be helpful for the application to call "close"
15:49:01 <johnsim> ... if there is a legitimate case where the application knows more, than the ability to call close would be a useful thing to do.
15:49:21 <johnsim> ... I believe Joe indicated he was opposed to the application being able to do this
15:50:00 <johnsim> ... not clear this is something we can say is "optional". It may be a hint or suggestion from the application that the CDM could make the key go away
15:50:20 <johnsim> ddorwin: adrian, could you capture that information in the bug?
15:50:23 <johnsim> adrianba: yes
15:50:30 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close
15:50:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-07-09].
15:51:28 <ddorwin> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
15:52:18 <johnsim> ddorwin: most recent conversation has focused on the element - not sure if the current state machine for mediakeys is related
15:52:30 <johnsim> adrianba: i believe we would be in the "pending" state
15:52:59 <johnsim> adrianba: that state is designed to suggest you could reach an encyrpted block without the key, that is the diff
15:53:44 <johnsim> ddorwin: media element needs to be discussed separately from readystate of mediakey session
15:55:46 <johnsim> ddorwin: you could actually not have a mediakeys object
15:56:17 <johnsim> adrianba: we need to think about this one
15:57:37 <johnsim> adrianba: propose we adjourn here
15:57:46 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/02-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:57:52 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:58:13 <Zakim> -jdsmith
15:58:16 <Zakim> -johnsim
15:58:21 <adrianba> zakim, bye
15:58:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.760.533.aaaa, +44.303.040.aabb, glenn, adrianba, +1.425.202.aacc, ddorwin, johnsim, pladd, paulc, davide, jdsmith, +1.303.661.aadd,
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15:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/02-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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