IRC log of html-wg on 2013-06-27
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be html_wg
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- ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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- Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 27 June 2013
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- +Plh
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- +MartinSoukup
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- +[Apple]
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- Zakim, Apple has me
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- +hober; got it
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- +??P1
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- zakim, ??P1 is me
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- +janina_; got it
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- +MarkS
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- hi all
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [ip is me
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- +chaals; got it
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- + +1.415.595.aaaa
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- zakim, aaaa is maciej
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- +maciej; got it
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- Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
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- sorry, mjs, I do not recognize a party named '+1.415.595.aaaa'
- 16:06:14 [plh]
- scribe: plh
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- Regrets: Daniel
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- Regrets+ Paul
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- Regrets+ Sam
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
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- Topic: New Issues this week
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- +[Microsoft.aa]
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- --> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22043 BUG 22043
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- zakim, microsoft.aa is me
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- +jaymunro; got it
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- Maciej: will look for recommendations before moving
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- Topic: Test TF report
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- Present+ chaals
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- Kris: not much going this week. meet again next Tuesday.
- 16:08:30 [plh]
- ... on #testing
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- Topic: A11y TF report
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- Charles: we have questions regarding the CfC on CR exit criteria
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- ... we seem to be held to extremelly high standard if we say something is not interoperable
- 16:09:46 [chaals]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0071.html
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- ... the semantics of the ARIA part of HTML aren't interoperable
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- ... and the question is: how much evidence do you really need?
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- ... depending on the answer, we may need more time
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- Janina: providing of non-interop is really rather difficult, you can provide instances
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- ... so proving the negative was the basis of the concern
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- ... and the other thing that was a bit vexing was that the bar for marking something as green was a lot lower in the room in San Jose than it is now to unmark
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- ... we weren't in the room at that time
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- ... so, we're concerned that there is now a higher bar to unmark.
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- ... probably not intentional but that's what we see now
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- ... we're not asking for a decision on the flight here
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- ... we're walking through the spec where we think that are issues
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- ... and we're uncountering some portions that are marked are green and shouldn't
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- Maciej: thank you for reporting theses issues, we'll need to follow up by email.
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- Charles: we started to look at our work statement
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- Janina: we expect longdesc to come forward next week as well
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- Topic: Media TF report
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- Maciej: Paul isn't around. anyone else?
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- Maciej: let's skip then
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- Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
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- +Eliot; got it
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- Topic: Other business
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- CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1,
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- publish Microdata doc as a W3C note
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html
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- Maciej: first is the CfC on Microdata
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- ... there were discussions and some pushback
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- ... on the basis that Microdata is widely used, but JS API is dropping
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- ... actual semantic and markup is deployed and used
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- q+
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- ... Robin was facilitating some discussions about this topic
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- ack chaals
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- ack c
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- Charles: at this stage we would object to move Microdata into 5.1 or publish it as a Note
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- q+
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- ... we'd be happy to have it in 5.0, happy to drop the API
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- ... we're happy to provide editor resources
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- +Tantek
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- Zakim, mute Tantek
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- Tantek should now be muted
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- s/we're happy/we recognize the need/
- 16:19:20 [tantek]
- (sorry a bit late to call)
- 16:19:31 [chaals]
- s/we're happy/we recognise that there is a need/
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- plh: Microdata is not part of 5.0
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- ... are you proposing to put it back?
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- Charles: would be nice but recognize there might be pushback
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- plh: indeed, I'd think we would pushback
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- zakim, unmute tantek
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- Tantek should no longer be muted
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- Tantek: continuing as a standalonge document seems fine to me
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- q+
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- ack pl
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- ... understanding there is sufficient interest and resources to push it along
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- ack kr
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- q+
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- Kris: do we have consensus to remove the JS portion of Microdata?
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- Maciej: it's a standalone document
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- ... if we want to remove the JS portion, that would require a difference CfC
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- Charles: I'd be happy to propose that we make one
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- plh: +1
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- Kris: +1
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- Tantek: +1
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- Maciej: I'll bring it to the other Chairs
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- just wanted to confirm this proposal is for 5.1
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- ... and the remainder will still be under discussion (ie standalone or 5.1)
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- Charles: seems would stay as standalone
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- Maciej: would remain an open question for the moment
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- q+ re: charter
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- plh: due to calendaring, don't expect progress on the charter before mid-July
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- ack
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- q-
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- ack
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- ack t
- 16:26:19 [Zakim]
- tantek, you wanted to discuss charter
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- Tantek: a few calls ago, I requested if you could ask folks to file their reason for their FO publically
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- ... to see if we can resolve them
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- plh: I still expect to make progress on them
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- Tantek, btw, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2013AprJun/0077.html
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- Topic: Next meeting
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- Maciej: next week is canceled
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- ... so next meeting is July 11
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- ... any volunteer to scribe?
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- [none heard]
- 16:30:20 [krisk]
- I might be able to scribe
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- [krisk++]
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- [adjourned]
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- zakim, drop Microsoft
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- [Microsoft] is being disconnected
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Plh, MartinSoukup, hober, janina_, MarkS, [IPcaller], chaals, +1.415.595.aaaa, maciej, jaymunro, Eliot, Tantek
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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