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12:49:43 <olivier> Meeting: Web & TV IG - Media APIs TF meeting
12:49:53 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs public
12:51:44 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Jun/0054.html
12:55:41 <whyun> Is zakim@w3.org ready? it just says "conference is restricted at this time" and hangs up.
12:56:01 <giuseppep> giuseppep has joined #webtv
12:56:09 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here
12:56:09 <Zakim> giuseppep, you need to end that query with '?'
12:56:12 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
12:56:12 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has not yet started, giuseppep
12:56:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see giuseppep, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, whyun, skim13, jcverdie, silvia, trackbot, timeless
12:57:06 <giuseppep> actions?
12:58:18 <kaz> kaz has joined #webtv
12:58:38 <olivier> zakim, code?
12:58:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), olivier
12:58:48 <olivier> zakim should be ready to go in a couple of minutes, whyun
12:59:16 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has now started
12:59:18 <whyun> Thanks
12:59:23 <Zakim> +??P24
12:59:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:59:31 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is me
12:59:31 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
12:59:42 <Bin_Hu> Bin_Hu has joined #webtv
12:59:43 <Zakim> +??P26
12:59:50 <giuseppep> zakim, ??P24 is me
12:59:50 <Zakim> +giuseppep; got it
13:00:32 <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
13:00:33 <giuseppep> whyun: better to mute when not talking
13:00:45 <giuseppep> (eheh thanks :D
13:00:53 <giuseppep> just to reduce bg noise
13:01:05 <olivier> zakim, who is here
13:01:05 <Zakim> olivier, you need to end that query with '?'
13:01:07 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
13:01:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see giuseppep, olivier, ??P26, Bin_Hu
13:01:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bin_Hu, kaz, giuseppep, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, whyun, skim13, jcverdie, silvia, trackbot, timeless
13:01:17 <giuseppep> zakim, ??P26 is whyun
13:01:17 <yosuke> yosuke has joined #webtv
13:01:17 <Zakim> +whyun; got it
13:01:24 <jcverdie> Hi i'm reading irc but can't get on the call now :(
13:01:42 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
13:01:43 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:01:43 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:01:45 <giuseppep> you cannot as you have problems or?
13:01:57 <Zakim> + +1.917.693.aaaa
13:01:58 <giuseppep> I mean technical problem or just busy?
13:02:03 <Bin_Hu> Hello
13:02:03 <Bin_Hu> zkim, who is on the phone?
13:02:09 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see giuseppep, olivier, whyun, Bin_Hu, Kazuyuki, +1.917.693.aaaa
13:02:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see yosuke, Bin_Hu, kaz, giuseppep, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, whyun, skim13, jcverdie, silvia, trackbot, timeless
13:02:11 <jcverdie> giuseppep: _i_ cannot, not technical problem :(
13:02:17 <olivier> zakim, aaaa is Sheau
13:02:17 <Zakim> +Sheau; got it
13:02:19 <giuseppep> ah ok
13:02:23 <Zakim> -Sheau
13:02:24 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Sheau
13:02:25 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
13:03:03 <Zakim> +Sheau
13:03:39 <giuseppep> rrsagent, log
13:03:40 <Sheau> Sheau has joined #webtv
13:03:42 <Zakim> -Sheau
13:03:58 <olivier> Sheau: are you having trouble connecting to the bridge?
13:04:06 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
13:04:27 <Sheau> Yes, I'm on the road dialing in. Cell signal very sporadic.
13:04:34 <olivier> I see
13:04:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:04:58 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is Yoskue
13:04:58 <Zakim> +Yoskue; got it
13:05:06 <olivier> zakim, Yoskue is Yosuke
13:05:06 <Zakim> +Yosuke; got it
13:05:20 <Zakim> +Sheau
13:05:24 <olivier> zakim, who is here
13:05:24 <Zakim> olivier, you need to end that query with '?'
13:05:27 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
13:05:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see giuseppep, olivier, whyun, Bin_Hu, Yosuke, Sheau
13:05:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau, yosuke, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, whyun, skim13, jcverdie, silvia, trackbot, timeless
13:05:49 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Jun/0054.html
13:05:56 <olivier> (Agenda sent by Bin a few days ago)
13:06:04 <whyun> skim13 is with whyun on the phone
13:07:14 <kaz> kaz has joined #webtv
13:07:14 <olivier> giuseppe: Giuseppe, work for Opera in the TV department
13:07:22 <olivier> ... am also co-chair of web&TV IG
13:07:22 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
13:07:22 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:07:23 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:07:35 <olivier> ... interested in this TF because I've been working with other groups outside of W3C
13:07:44 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:07:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see giuseppep, olivier, whyun, Bin_Hu, Kazuyuki, Yosuke, Sheau
13:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz, Sheau, yosuke, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, whyun, skim13, jcverdie, silvia, trackbot, timeless
13:07:48 <olivier> ... these groups are transitioning to HTML5 and porting features to HTML5
13:07:57 <olivier> ... addressing this transition
13:08:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:08:06 <olivier> ... I hope to work internally and with other groups
13:08:55 <Zakim> +Jean-Charles
13:09:15 <giuseppep> scribe, olivier
13:09:17 <kaz> Present: Giuseppe, Olivier, Whyun, BIn, Kaz, Yosuke, Heau, Jean-CHarles
13:09:17 <kaz> Present: Giuseppe, Olivier, Whyun, BIn, Kaz, Yosuke, Heau, Jean-Charles
13:09:29 <kaz> Chair: Olivier
13:09:31 <giuseppep> scribe, giuseppe
13:09:41 <giuseppep> scribenick: giuseppep
13:09:57 <kaz> i/better to mute/scribenick: giuseppep/
13:10:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:10:08 <giuseppep> sheau:  [introduce himself]
13:11:31 <kaz> i/are you having trouble/scribenick: olivier/
13:11:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:11:50 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
13:11:53 <olivier> (keywords from Sheau: highly synchronised, multi-screen, new TV experiences)
13:12:05 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 15 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:12:13 <whyun> sung hei kim is speaking
13:15:05 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:15:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see giuseppep, olivier, whyun, Bin_Hu, Kazuyuki, Yosuke, Sheau, Jean-Charles
13:15:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz, Sheau, yosuke, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, whyun, skim13, jcverdie, silvia, trackbot, timeless
13:15:28 <kaz> zakim, mute me
13:15:28 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
13:16:06 <kaz> zakim, whyun is whyun,sung_hei_kim
13:16:06 <Zakim> +whyun,sung_hei_kim; got it
13:16:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep
13:16:58 <giuseppep> scribe: giuseppe
13:17:21 <jcverdie> we lost olivier ?
13:17:23 <Bin_Hu> We lost Olivier
13:17:52 <kaz> [ kaz is here to help you all :) ]
13:17:55 <giuseppep> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Agenda_Telco_26th_June_2013
13:18:08 <giuseppep> olivier: we skipped Kaz ;)
13:19:00 <kaz> zakim, unmute me
13:19:00 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should no longer be muted
13:19:08 <giuseppep> olivier: so we seems to be here all to look at the use cases and to better coordinate with other groups
13:19:19 <kaz> zakim, mute me
13:19:19 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
13:19:47 <giuseppep> olivier: Bin, you suggested to start with use cases
13:20:05 <giuseppep> ... maybe we can start to look at the one we have and discuss how to consolidate them and move forward
13:20:15 <giuseppep> Bin: yes
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13:20:38 <olivier> (use cases so far have been linked from http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs#Current_Work )
13:20:46 <giuseppep> ... can we define the way we work but also a roadmap/timeline
13:21:57 <giuseppep> giuseppe: we discussed this already, and agreed
13:22:00 <giuseppep> ... notes here http://www.w3.org/2013/05/29-webtv-minutes.html
13:22:36 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
13:23:04 <giuseppep> olivier: let's start to look at the UCs then, since we also have most of the authors here in the call
13:23:19 <giuseppep> ... let's also discuss if they have the right granularity
13:23:27 <giuseppep> ... bin, can you wals us through them
13:23:56 <olivier> s/wals/walk/
13:23:58 <giuseppep> Bin: first, tablet joins HN
13:24:47 <giuseppep> ... (bin explain ""Use Case One – Tablet Joins Home Network"" UC)
13:24:54 <giuseppep> s/bin/Bin/
13:25:09 <olivier> q+
13:25:20 <Zakim> -Jean-Charles
13:26:24 <giuseppep> ... in short: service discovery and pairing
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13:26:32 <olivier> ack me
13:26:33 <giuseppep> q+
13:26:36 <kaz> q?
13:26:37 <Zakim> +Jean-Charles
13:26:53 <olivier> q+ me
13:27:19 <giuseppep> Sheau: are you talking about device sync or content sync?
13:27:25 <giuseppep> Bin: here I mean both
13:27:58 <kaz> q?
13:28:00 <olivier> ack g
13:29:14 <olivier> giuseppep: most of this use case looks like it was discussed in the HNTF
13:29:28 <olivier> ... did you have the chance to review the input document we produced then [link]
13:29:43 <Sheau> Sheau has joined #webtv
13:29:56 <olivier> ... there is now some discussion about service discovery in the DAP group
13:30:10 <olivier> ... wonder if this means we can consider the UC addressed
13:30:21 <olivier> ... and move the discussion to DAP, at a technical level
13:30:28 <olivier> ... where we can help shape that work
13:32:12 <olivier> link - http://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/
13:32:20 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/#service-discovery
13:32:44 <olivier> giuseppe: we've already passed this requirement to the DAP group
13:33:02 <olivier> ... and there is already a tech proposal on the table
13:33:29 <giuseppep> Bin: ok, I think is a good point
13:36:20 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppep to share summary of the work of HNTF, suggest which current use cases have already been covered by past TFs and passed on to WGs
13:36:20 <trackbot> Error finding 'giuseppep'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
13:36:24 <Zakim> -Sheau
13:36:42 <giuseppep> olivier: giuseppe, can you take an action to check which use cases were already addressed by the HNTF? and what is thetstatus of the work?
13:36:55 <Zakim> +Sheau
13:36:59 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppe to share summary of the work of HNTF, suggest which current use cases have already been covered by past TFs and passed on to WGs
13:36:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Share summary of the work of HNTF, suggest which current use cases have already been covered by past TFs and passed on to WGs [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2013-07-03].
13:38:17 <giuseppep> olivier: let's move to UC 2
13:38:20 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases#2._.22Use_Case_Two_.E2.80.93_TV_Triggers_2nd_Screen.22
13:38:29 <giuseppep> ... Bin, can you point to the gaps as well?
13:38:38 <giuseppep> Bin: sure, not sure yet about the gaps
13:38:51 <giuseppep> ... we will do this at next stage
13:39:05 <giuseppep> ... UC2: TV Triggers 2nd Screen
13:39:50 <giuseppep> ... [describe the UC as on the wiki]
13:40:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep
13:43:37 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
13:43:53 <giuseppep> giuseppe: I think this is also covered by the HNTF, and also some of this can be done today if the app talk to the same server
13:45:37 <kaz_> kaz_ has joined #webtv
13:45:42 <giuseppep> Sheau: the UC2 doesn't have stringetn sync requirements, but there could be scenarios (like alternaitve camera angles) where the requirements are more stringent
13:45:53 <kaz_> zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
13:45:53 <Zakim> ok, kaz_; the call is being made
13:45:55 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
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13:47:26 <giuseppep> olivier: can you look if your use case is already covered by UC2
13:47:49 <giuseppep> giuseppe: also people should look at HNTF
13:47:58 <giuseppep> s/HNTF/HNTF document
13:48:08 <giuseppep> olivier: maybe we should point to that document
13:48:34 <Sheau> Giuseppe, can you send link to HNTF?
13:48:36 <giuseppep> giuseppe: for the recrod the document is here http://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/
13:50:05 <giuseppep> olivier: are we ok with once every 2 weeks, 1h
13:50:24 <giuseppep> olivier: I think every 2 weeks is ok
13:50:47 <giuseppep> Bin: I think the workload is ok for every 2 weeks
13:51:11 <giuseppep> ... we should use more the mailing list, and use the call to sync up
13:52:06 <giuseppep> ... we should also check that people do their actions
13:53:10 <olivier> giuseppep: every 2 weeks is ok, maybe 90 minutes
13:53:17 <olivier> +1
13:54:01 <kaz_> q+
13:54:05 <jcverdie_> +1
13:54:08 <olivier> ack kaz
13:54:55 <giuseppep> action: kaz to ask the sys team to extend the time slot to 90 minutes
13:54:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-119 - Ask the sys team to extend the time slot to 90 minutes [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-07-03].
13:55:27 <giuseppep> olivier: everybody should be free to edit the wiki
13:56:31 <Sheau> Sheau has joined #webtv
13:57:07 <giuseppep> ... but if you make a substantial edit, you should inform the list
13:57:22 <giuseppep> giuseppe: I prefer the author of a UC to be the only one to edit it
13:57:27 <giuseppep> ... discussion should happen on the lsit
13:57:41 <giuseppep> ... and when people agree, the editor can change the UC
13:58:02 <giuseppep> Bin: both are fine by me
13:58:09 <giuseppep> ... as far as we agree on a way to do it
13:58:29 <giuseppep> ... and as far as people inform the list
13:59:39 <giuseppep> skim13: we are ok if people edit our use cases and improve the wording
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14:00:15 <giuseppep> olivier: ok let's use giuseppe proposal
14:00:47 <giuseppep> giuseppe: of course editorial changes don't require "approval", just go ahead and do them
14:01:01 <giuseppep> olivier: for next call, please check the use cases, review them and submit new use cases
14:01:38 <giuseppep> Bin: are we still targeting q1 2014 or before?
14:01:43 <giuseppep> olivier: yes, sounds good
14:02:00 <giuseppep> Bin: what about actions? when needs to be completed?
14:03:30 <giuseppep> giuseppe: I'll be on vacation for 2 weeks
14:03:33 <giuseppep> starting tomorrow
14:04:01 <giuseppep> so I can try to address my action for the call in 4 weeks
14:04:39 <Zakim> -Jean-Charles
14:04:40 <Zakim> -Sheau
14:04:41 <Zakim> -olivier
14:04:41 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
14:04:49 <Zakim> -Yosuke
14:04:51 <Zakim> -giuseppep
14:04:51 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-minutes.html olivier
14:04:53 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:04:57 <olivier> zakim, bye
14:04:57 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were olivier, giuseppep, Bin_Hu, Kazuyuki, +1.917.693.aaaa, Sheau, Yosuke, Jean-Charles, whyun,sung_hei_kim
14:04:57 <Zakim> Zakim has left #webtv
14:05:02 <olivier> rrsagent, bye
14:05:02 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-actions.rdf :
14:05:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: giuseppep to share summary of the work of HNTF, suggest which current use cases have already been covered by past TFs and passed on to WGs [1]
14:05:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-irc#T13-36-20
14:05:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: giuseppe to share summary of the work of HNTF, suggest which current use cases have already been covered by past TFs and passed on to WGs [2]
14:05:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-irc#T13-36-59
14:05:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kaz to ask the sys team to extend the time slot to 90 minutes [3]
14:05:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-webtv-irc#T13-54-55