IRC log of mlw-lt on 2013-06-26
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-irc
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- meeting: MLW-LT WG
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- chair: felix
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
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- present+ felix
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- topic: roll call
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- checking attendance ...
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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- " order to make it easy to integrate ITS markup into schemas based on W3C XML Schema language the following informative schemas are provided:"
- 11:54:06 [fsasaki]
- "In order to make it easy to integrate ITS markup into schemas based on W3C XML Schema language the following informative schemas are provided:"
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- 11:56:27 [omstefanov]
- present+ omstefanov
- 11:56:40 [daveL]
- present+ davelewis
- 11:58:37 [Des]
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- present+ Des
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- present+ Jirka
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- present+ chriLi
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- 12:02:59 [joerg]
- present+ joerg
- 12:03:01 [dF]
- present+ dF
- 12:03:08 [Yves_]
- present+ Yves
- 12:03:11 [fsasaki]
- scribe: daveL
- 12:03:12 [daveL]
- scribe: daveL
- 12:03:48 [fsasaki]
- regrets+ tadej
- 12:03:58 [fsasaki]
- agenda is here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
- 12:04:06 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:04:32 [omstefanov]
- unless I missed something it appears that the implementation conformance list has only green OK entries. if so, congrats, everyone.
- 12:04:56 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
- 12:05:13 [fsasaki]
- topic: Conflicts between paramters
- 12:05:15 [daveL]
- no comments on agenda
- 12:05:20 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/130
- 12:06:07 [Ankit]
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- 12:06:27 [daveL]
- renat had asked about precdence of its:params
- 12:06:32 [Ankit]
- present+ Ankit
- 12:06:45 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0103.html
- 12:06:50 [daveL]
- felix: jirka confirmed the precedence rules as already defined
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- 12:06:58 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selection-precedence
- 12:07:07 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#html5-selection-precedence
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- 12:07:15 [daveL]
- ... but pointed out that the behaviour in the case of clashing parameter names was not addressed
- 12:07:16 [fsasaki]
- "In case of conflicts between global selections via multiple rules elements or conflicts between multiple param elements with the same name, the last rule or last param element has higher precedence."
- 12:07:29 [leroy]
- present+ leroy
- 12:08:02 [daveL]
- jirka: agrees proposal is fine
- 12:08:07 [daveL]
- yves: agrees also
- 12:08:23 [fsasaki]
- issue-130 can be closed with this edit
- 12:08:43 [fsasaki]
- topic: PR publication
- 12:08:51 [fsasaki]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0000.html
- 12:09:17 [omstefanov_2]
- felix, I can't open this ...
- 12:09:26 [omstefanov_2]
- could I get it in a temp way?
- 12:09:33 [fsasaki]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0002.html
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- 12:10:12 [fsasaki]
- "5. Evidence That Dependencies With Other Groups Met:"
- 12:10:27 [daveL]
- felix: this is a formal email communicating our activities to presenting spec for next stage
- 12:10:35 [daveL]
- ... one issue
- 12:10:35 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#phrasing-content
- 12:10:41 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#the-translate-attribute
- 12:10:55 [pnietoca]
- present+ pnietoca
- 12:11:01 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-mlw-lt-minutes#item04
- 12:11:10 [daveL]
- ... we use references from HTML5.1 definitions at above URLs
- 12:11:19 [daveL]
- ... as recommended in this call.
- 12:11:59 [daveL]
- ... but the issue is that all normative references are reocmmendations, but HTML5 and HTML5.1 are not yet recommendation
- 12:12:19 [daveL]
- ... this is a common unsolved problems with many specs that refernce HTML5
- 12:12:30 [daveL]
- ... but there is a workaround.
- 12:13:00 [daveL]
- ... workaround involves stating that the implementation is stable based on test results
- 12:14:01 [daveL]
- ... so that in PR phase that the HTML5 draft uses to phrasing (already in place) and translate definitions from html5.1
- 12:14:36 [daveL]
- jorg: is this the usual approach in w3c
- 12:15:40 [daveL]
- felix: usually we try and avoid these issues, but we are the same as some other groups that we need such a reference
- 12:16:48 [daveL]
- felix: our task is then to get that stability in HTML5
- 12:17:17 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20-implementation-report.html#Translateconformance-overview
- 12:18:17 [daveL]
- ... so we go to HTML WG with above evidence of working implementations
- 12:18:40 [daveL]
- dave: how quick might they respond?
- 12:19:10 [daveL]
- felix: hope they will respond and make changes in 4 weeks, so its really workload on HTML5 editor
- 12:19:48 [daveL]
- dave: do you think any in HMTL5 WG will disagree
- 12:20:29 [daveL]
- felix: don't think so since main resolution of topics is based on working impelmentations at this stage in the HMTL5 WG
- 12:20:44 [fsasaki]
- topic: Vote for PR publication
- 12:21:27 [daveL]
- jorg: letter need to have pub date corrected, currently 'jun 2'
- 12:22:14 [daveL]
- jirka: another point, in spec we are inconsistent in typogrpahic changes
- 12:22:44 [daveL]
- felix: dave, david and i have called scheduled with w3c managmeent on friday
- 12:22:53 [daveL]
- jirka: will aim to correct this beofre then
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- felix; call for vote of progress to next stage
- 12:24:10 [fsasaki]
- s/felix;/felix:/
- 12:24:11 [daveL]
- ... publishing proposed recommendation draft
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:24:46 [daveL]
- christian: procedural question, do we have a quorum for a vote?
- 12:25:18 [daveL]
- felix: we have 9 people on call, but there is not a formal number required on the call
- 12:25:40 [daveL]
- ... but will mail list say the result of the call and giving 48 hour to voice opinion
- 12:26:13 [daveL]
- christian: would like to abstain
- 12:26:24 [daveL]
- dF: is it a vote or cencensus
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- felix: we aim for consensus
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- dF: vote to publish
- 12:26:57 [Pedro]
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- des: asks is 2 implementaitons is a pre-requisite for the vote
- 12:27:32 [daveL]
- felix; not for the vote, but can't move forward without this
- 12:27:35 [Pedro]
- present+ Pedro
- 12:27:45 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20-implementation-report.html
- 12:28:40 [daveL]
- ... but we have at least two implementations tested for each feature, whcih is sufficient to progress
- 12:28:56 [daveL]
- ... which doens't count implementation committments
- 12:29:04 [daveL]
- ... note yet tested
- 12:29:08 [Ankit]
- +1
- 12:29:11 [leroy]
- +1
- 12:29:14 [daveL]
- +1
- 12:29:15 [Des]
- +1
- 12:29:15 [Yves_]
- +1 for publication
- 12:29:15 [dF]
- +1
- 12:29:15 [pnietoca]
- +1
- 12:29:20 [joerg]
- +1
- 12:29:35 [fsasaki]
- action: felix to write mail to public list making people aware of vote for PR
- 12:29:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-551 - Write mail to public list making people aware of vote for PR [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-07-03].
- 12:29:53 [daveL]
- felix: asks for people to vote +1 on IRC for publishing
- 12:29:54 [fsasaki]
- deadline for comments: Friday 1 p.m. UTC
- 12:30:07 [omstefanov_2]
- +1 (if public members count)
- 12:30:28 [fsasaki]
- topic: Adobe presentation of current state of implementation
- 12:30:45 [daveL]
- topic: presentation from adobe on current implementation
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- des:
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- ... update on presentation from last month
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- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'draft minutes'
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:33:37 [daveL]
- des: implementation based on apache jackrabbit sling layer
- 12:33:58 [daveL]
- ... future work will have authoring in upper layers
- 12:34:40 [daveL]
- .. integrated okapi into sling, just started impelmentaiton, with translate
- 12:35:12 [daveL]
- ... shows early demo via screen share
- 12:38:19 [daveL]
- ... shows sling/jcr content management and import html file with ITs annotations
- 12:39:15 [daveL]
- ... where jcr exposes document node structure
- 12:40:40 [daveL]
- -- sling allows integration of servelt for specific processing through manipulation of URL, i.e. adding an 'its' element to URL
- 12:41:38 [daveL]
- ... also offers a json mapping
- 12:43:03 [daveL]
- ... shows remaining timeline, on track for planned completion date, will include XLIFF support
- 12:43:49 [daveL]
- ... plan to submit source to apache
- 12:45:46 [daveL]
- felix: asks to clarify where the meta-data is created
- 12:46:49 [daveL]
- des: meta-data gets expanded at the input stage, i.e. where the rules are evaluated, so the global rule are parsed and applied to the JCR rerpesentation
- 12:47:31 [daveL]
- felix: suggest that in demo have one person creating the rule and another creating the content
- 12:48:16 [fsasaki]
- daveL: will we also support external rules?
- 12:48:32 [fsasaki]
- des: yes, external to the file
- 12:48:38 [daveL]
- dave: are you planning to include extern rules files
- 12:48:43 [fsasaki]
- .. that is what we will support. It will not be external to the system
- 12:52:09 [omstefanov_2]
- thanks, Des. Nice presentation
- 12:52:12 [fsasaki]
- topic: Next steps in July
- 12:52:28 [daveL]
- felix: we had schedule init presentaiton, but sebastian is not on call, will follow up next week
- 12:53:00 [daveL]
- felix: hope that frmo next week onward we can open up call to ITS IG for discuss best practice discussions
- 12:53:01 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
- 12:53:23 [daveL]
- ... asks if this is ok with everyone
- 12:53:43 [dF]
- +1
- 12:53:50 [fsasaki]
- action: felix to prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc.
- 12:53:50 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-552 - Prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-07-03].
- 12:53:58 [daveL]
- dave; asks if minutes then under IG wiki
- 12:54:08 [daveL]
- fewlis: yes
- 12:54:44 [daveL]
- felix: if everything goes Ok, PR stage will end end july into august
- 12:55:04 [daveL]
- ... so in dublin we mentioned preparing some showcase recordings
- 12:55:34 [daveL]
- ... and if anyone has guidelines to prepare these (christian mentioned he might have some)
- 12:56:09 [daveL]
- felix; asks jorg if he could introduce IG call to interoperability now initiative.
- 12:56:17 [daveL]
- jorg: agrees
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- felix: aob
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- pedro: for IG will eveyone on WG list need to move themselves to IG
- 12:57:13 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
- 12:57:18 [omstefanov_2]
- does this include persons such we me?
- 12:57:34 [daveL]
- felix; no, i have taken the liberty of moving everyone to IG
- 12:57:48 [omstefanov_2]
- thanks, Felix!
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- 12:58:12 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: felix to write mail to public list making people aware of vote for PR [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-irc#T12-29-35
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- ACTION: felix to prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc. [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-irc#T12-53-50