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14:55:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:55:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:55:38 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2013
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14:58:51 <Zakim> + +1.650.506.aaaa
14:58:59 <korn1> Zakim, aaaa is Peter_Korn
14:58:59 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:59:01 <Zakim> + +1.978.443.aabb
14:59:05 <Joshue108> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
14:59:05 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
14:59:06 <Zakim> +??P16
14:59:11 <Kathy> zakim aabb is Kathy
14:59:31 <Kathy> zakim, aabb is Kathy
14:59:31 <Zakim> +Kathy; got it
15:00:46 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
15:00:55 <AWK> Zakim, Adobe is AWK
15:00:55 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
15:02:40 <Joshue108> chair: Joshue
15:03:15 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:04:10 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Peter_Korn, Kathy, Michael_Cooper, AWK, Bruce_Bailey
15:04:32 <Kathy> scribe: Kathy
15:05:15 <Kathy> TOPIC:  Schedule for summer
15:05:22 <Joshue108> agenda + Based on survey for schedules, we should not have call next week
15:05:24 <Kathy> RESOLUTION:  no meeting next week
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15:08:29 <Joshue108> agenda + https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130625Misc/
15:08:31 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:08:40 <AWK> Zakim, who is barking?
15:08:40 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
15:08:47 <Joshue108> agenda + HTML/ARIA Techniques https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIATechs_June21_2013/
15:08:56 <korn1> Zakim, who is talking?
15:09:00 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:09:00 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
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15:09:11 <Zakim> korn1, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Cooper (63%), AWK (12%)
15:09:40 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
15:09:40 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:09:51 <Kathy> TOPIC:  WCAG to ICT
15:09:58 <kerstin_probiesch> Hi all
15:11:40 <Kathy> Peter:  We have made a number of small changes.
15:12:25 <Kathy> Peter:  this is the final draft
15:12:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:13:05 <kerstin_probiesch> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:13:05 <Zakim> +kerstin_probiesch; got it
15:13:41 <kerstin_probiesch> finally I've made me (skype experience)
15:14:45 <Kathy> AWK:  is there any time requirements for publication
15:15:27 <Kathy> Peter:  Publish with 30 day comment period.  Ideally the week of July 8th for final publish end of August or beginning of September
15:15:49 <kerstin_probiesch> zakim, mute me
15:15:49 <Zakim> kerstin_probiesch should now be muted
15:16:41 <Joshue108> +q
15:16:58 <Joshue108> ack me
15:17:23 <Kathy> Michael:  We can do approval on July 9th and publish on July 11th
15:18:43 <Kathy> RESOLUTION:  Review the ICT document next week and talk about it during the July 9th meeting
15:19:38 <Joshue108> I'll make sure it's on Lorettas radar and we get her feedback.
15:20:30 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item two
15:20:30 <Zakim> 'two' does not match any agenda item, Joshue108
15:20:34 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item one
15:20:34 <Zakim> 'one' does not match any agenda item, Joshue108
15:20:46 <Joshue108> zakim, take up first item
15:20:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up first item', Joshue108
15:21:11 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Responding to Comments
15:21:20 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130625Misc/
15:21:47 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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15:25:22 <Kathy> AWK:  for LC-1251 I suggest replacing the first sentence to "This success criteria allows authors to use images of text unless the visual presentation of the text can be achieved using text-based technologies."
15:25:31 <korn1> q+
15:27:02 <Joshue108> ack korn
15:28:00 <AWK> q+
15:28:04 <Kathy> Peter:  Greg's proposal are branding would not help with this class of problems
15:28:24 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
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15:28:56 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:28:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:29:08 <Kathy> Joshue:  They are looking to tighten the language to specifically address branding
15:29:44 <Kathy> Joshue:  Need to look at this more closely
15:30:07 <Kathy> q+
15:30:18 <David> q+
15:30:39 <Joshue108> ack awk
15:32:11 <korn1> q+
15:32:35 <AWK> This success criteria allows authors to use images of text unless the visual presentation of the text can be achieved using text-based technologies.
15:32:45 <Kathy> AWK:  if a company wants to use image of text, we allow it.  As the support for web fonts then no longer need to use images of text.  It is ok for logos but not in other places.
15:33:02 <Joshue108> ack Kathy
15:33:59 <korn1> q-
15:34:24 <Kathy> q-
15:34:28 <Joshue108> ack david
15:35:24 <Kathy> David:  big issue is a missing word, the desired font of the designer that is not available in CSS and that is where the exception is
15:35:32 <AWK> q+
15:35:52 <Kathy> David:  if it can be done with CSS then should not use image of text
15:36:39 <AWK> q-
15:38:06 <Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to review LC-2751 more closely
15:38:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Review LC-2751 more closely [on Joshue O Connor - due 2013-07-02].
15:38:22 <AWK> q+
15:38:31 <Joshue108> ack awk
15:39:59 <Joshue108> +q
15:40:18 <Joshue108> ack me
15:40:24 <jamesn> q+
15:40:29 <Joshue108> -q
15:40:46 <jamesn> so an example is http://www.w3.org/WAI/
15:40:49 <jamesn> :)
15:41:06 <Joshue108> ack jamesn
15:41:15 <Kathy> Kathy:  Does this include purchasing web fonts to achieve it with CSS?
15:42:05 <Kathy> David:  Does not require clients to purchase web fonts to meet the criteria.
15:43:21 <Joshue108> LC-2774
15:43:27 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20120103/2774
15:48:24 <korn1> q+
15:48:27 <Joshue108> LC-2762:
15:52:43 <Kathy> David:  LC-2762  we may want to look at this in the future and we should acknowledge this in the response and create an action item
15:52:45 <AWK> q+
15:52:50 <AWK> q+
15:53:21 <Kathy> Joshue:  David can you create a list to track the post WCAG 2.0 items
15:53:30 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2 Post WCAG 2 issues
15:53:41 <Kathy> Michael:  We have a list - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2 Post WCAG 2 issues
15:59:06 <Joshue108> ack korn
15:59:28 <Kathy> Peter:  objective to LC 2762
15:59:53 <AWK> ack AWK
15:59:57 <Joshue108> ack awk
15:59:59 <korn1> /objective/objection
16:01:26 <Kathy> AWK - LC 2766 we should be careful about assuming this effects people who are blind; fine to add something to the comment that we will need to look at this in the future but we need evidence if we state something about a blind user
16:02:54 <Kathy> RESOLUTION:  LC-2766 Accept as amended
16:03:58 <Kathy> Joshue - move to LC 2762
16:04:05 <Joshue108> LC-2762
16:05:51 <Kathy> Peter:  as long as the color is of sufficient contrast then it is ok.  If the icon is made of two colors and they have sufficient color contrast then you are not rely on color alone.  It may be useful to have some additional guidance
16:06:31 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:06:31 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:06:34 <Joshue108> +q
16:08:29 <Joshue108> -q
16:08:29 <Kathy> Peter:  we look at the color difference between them and whether they have sufficient luminosity.  It should have said hue is the only difference
16:09:06 <korn1> q+
16:09:21 <Kathy> Joshue:  1.4.1 and 1.4.3 are connected but can exist independently.  Does this concern with just text?
16:09:31 <Kathy> David:  Yes, it is just text
16:09:38 <Kathy> q+
16:10:49 <Kathy> David:  WCAG does not cover that unless they have the same icon that differ only be color
16:11:05 <Joshue108> ack korn
16:11:40 <Joshue108> Actually David that would be a good thing to add to the doc.
16:12:55 <Kathy> Peter:  we may want to add this to the post WCAG 2.0 list.  We may want to add this to 1.4.1 in the understanding document.  Images that do not contain text then we may want to add something about color contrast - it is a good idea that they have sufficient color contrast
16:12:56 <AWK> q+
16:13:04 <Joshue108> ack Kathy
16:13:19 <Kathy> q-
16:13:27 <Kathy> Kathy:  What level for color contrast?
16:13:28 <Joshue108> KW: A question to Peter, 4:5 or 3:1?
16:13:37 <Kathy> Peter:  3:1
16:13:58 <AWK> ack awk
16:14:01 <Kathy> Peter:  this suggestions not requirements
16:14:02 <Joshue108> ack AWK
16:14:56 <Kathy> AWK:  we are trying to say in response to the question, there is nothing that addresses icons unless instructions refer to color
16:15:39 <Joshue108> +q
16:15:41 <Joshue108> ack me
16:15:49 <korn1> Please see http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/G183
16:16:09 <Kathy> Joshue:  Is this a can of worms
16:16:58 <Kathy> Peter:  there are ISO standards on this.  This is a post WCAG 2.0 item.  Since 1.4.1 talks about color is not the only means, then we could say that there needs to be enough contrast as well.
16:18:46 <Kathy> RESOLUTION:  LC-2762 accepted as proposed
16:22:31 <Joshue108> ACTION: AWK to add issue to the Note  Post WCAG 2 doc
16:22:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Add issue to the Note  Post WCAG 2 doc [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-07-02].
16:25:15 <Joshue108> TOPIC: LC-2768: Text field followed by instructions
16:25:26 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2768
16:25:28 <AWK> Action 208 on AWK to add issue related to need for clarification on color contrast in icons to the 'editing post WCAG 2' wiki document.
16:25:28 <trackbot> Error finding '208'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
16:25:50 <AWK> Action-208 on AWK to add issue related to need for clarification on color contrast in icons to the 'editing post WCAG 2' wiki document.
16:27:23 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:27:23 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:27:47 <MichaelC> action-208: add issue related to need for clarification on color contrast in icons to the 'editing post WCAG 2' wiki document.
16:27:47 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-208 Add issue to the Note Post WCAG 2 doc.
16:31:06 <AWK> Scribe AWK
16:31:09 <Zakim> -Kathy
16:31:53 <AWK> RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
16:32:21 <AWK> TOPIC: LC-2773: ARIA1: Using the aria-describedby property to provide a descriptive label for input controls
16:33:42 <AWK> Josh: concern with this comment is that IE8 only partially supports ARIA described by
16:34:17 <AWK> David: I wrote the proposed response
16:34:37 <AWK> AWK: it's a pretty simple respose
16:34:45 <AWK> s/respose/response
16:34:53 <AWK> RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
16:36:51 <MichaelC> rrsagent, pointer
16:36:51 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2013/06/25-wai-wcag-irc#T16-36-51
16:37:41 <Joshue108> ack, AWK
16:37:44 <Joshue108> ack AWK
16:40:33 <AWK> TOPIC: LC-2767: Search button followed by search options
16:40:51 <AWK> David: wants to add this to list for post WCAG 2.0
16:41:03 <AWK> RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
16:41:21 <AWK> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:41:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
16:42:41 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:42:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
16:43:46 <Zakim> -AWK
16:43:46 <kerstin_probiesch> bye+
16:43:47 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:43:47 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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16:43:49 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:43:50 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:43:51 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
16:43:54 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:43:57 <Zakim> -kerstin_probiesch
16:43:58 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:43:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.506.aaaa, Peter_Korn, +1.978.443.aabb, Joshue, Michael_Cooper, Kathy, AWK, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, kerstin_probiesch, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen
16:44:12 <AWK> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:44:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
16:44:58 <AWK> Same issue
16:45:05 <AWK> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:45:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
16:46:37 <AWK> zakim, aabb is Kathy
16:46:37 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:46:45 <AWK> zakim, .aabb is Kathy
16:46:45 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb'
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