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14:49:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:18 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:49:18 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2013
14:49:59 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Jun/0027.html
14:50:11 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
14:50:19 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:58:41 <glenn> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:58:42 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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15:01:06 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:02:06 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, davide, [Microsoft], +1.760.533.aabb, [Microsoft.a], +1.831.457.aacc
15:02:12 <Michael_Thornburgh> zakim, i am aacc
15:02:14 <Zakim> +Michael_Thornburgh; got it
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15:02:24 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
15:02:24 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:02:27 <pladd> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, davide, [Microsoft], +1.760.533.aabb, [Microsoft.a], Michael_Thornburgh
15:02:29 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
15:02:41 <pladd> Zakim, aabb is me
15:02:41 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
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15:02:56 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
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15:03:08 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Jun/0027.html
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15:04:05 <glenn> zakim, aabb is pladd
15:04:05 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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15:04:47 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
15:04:52 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:05:25 <adrianba> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
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15:06:19 <ddorwin> zakim, aaee is me
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15:06:20 <adrianba> paulc: done
15:06:30 <BobLund> zakim, aaff is me
15:06:30 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:06:35 <adrianba> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
15:06:38 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2013/06/11-html-media-minutes.html
15:07:00 <adrianba> paulc: used these minutes to generate the agenda
15:07:04 <adrianba> TOPIC: Review of action items and issues
15:07:08 <adrianba> paulc: none for MSE
15:07:19 <adrianba> TOPIC: MSE status and bugs
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15:07:57 <paulc> Latest Editor's draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
15:08:02 <adrianba> paulc: spec hadn't been updated yesterday
15:08:11 <adrianba> q+
15:08:24 <paulc> Current bug list: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
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15:09:16 <adrianba> adrianba: aaron had added PRE_LAST_CALL to the whiteboard field
15:09:22 <acolwell> PRE_LAST_CALL
15:09:26 <adrianba> ... for all the bugs that are pre-last call
15:09:40 <adrianba> ... so the new bugs (about half) are last call comments
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15:11:18 <MartinSoukup> zakim, aagg is me
15:11:18 <Zakim> +MartinSoukup; got it
15:11:21 <adrianba> paulc: there are 7 pre last call bugs < 22148
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15:11:26 <paulc> See http://tinyurl.com/q3do7nx
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15:11:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
15:12:04 <adrianba> paulc: are you suggesting prioritising these?
15:12:06 <adrianba> adrianba: yes
15:12:16 <johnsim> zakim, microsoft.aa is me
15:12:16 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
15:13:06 <adrianba> paulc: start at 4i on the agenda
15:13:11 <adrianba> s/</<=/
15:13:20 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22148#c3
15:13:22 <adrianba> Bug 22148 - Request that we reconsider adding jitter to video quality metrics
15:14:14 <adrianba> acolwell: i need to look at it some more but fine adding it for now
15:14:23 <adrianba> ... not clear how this improves things but fine making the change
15:14:45 <adrianba> acolwell: i'll update the text
15:14:49 <adrianba> paulc: for comment 3
15:15:02 <adrianba> Bug 22137 - changes in number of audio tracks during advert insertion
15:15:03 <paulc>  Bug 22137 - changes in number of audio tracks during advert insertion
15:15:10 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22137
15:15:43 <adrianba> adrianba: jerry might have some questions on this
15:15:59 <adrianba> jdsmith: not clear the proposal makes switching deterministic and simple
15:16:14 <adrianba> acolwell: the idea is that if there is a default track indicate in the init segment
15:16:26 <adrianba> ... then you just pick the first default track for each type
15:16:36 <adrianba> ... first default video or first default audio
15:16:44 <adrianba> ... if there is no default indicated then you pick the first
15:17:01 <adrianba> ... which tends to be the lowest track id but not always
15:17:10 <adrianba> jdsmith: will this be a good consistent experience
15:17:23 <BobLund> q+
15:17:26 <adrianba> acolwell: i don't know - was a proposal to address the concern without adding too much complexity
15:17:38 <adrianba> ... not clear what multi-track content is like
15:17:48 <paulc> Proposal is in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22137#c3
15:18:01 <adrianba> jdsmith: need to do more research on content to see how this works
15:18:10 <paulc> ack bob
15:18:15 <adrianba> ... sounds like it would be deterministic but want to make sure it is sensible
15:18:46 <adrianba> BobLund: consistent with MPEG2TS defines the lowest number first in the metadata (since there is no way to signal default)
15:19:17 <adrianba> ACTION: jdsmith to review bug 22137 and provide feedback
15:19:17 <trackbot> Error finding 'jdsmith'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
15:19:53 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to work with Jerry to review bug 22137 and provide feedback
15:19:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Work with Jerry to review bug 22137 and provide feedback [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-07-02].
15:20:40 <adrianba> Bug 22136 - Inband Storage for SPS/PPS in ISO BMFF
15:20:49 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22136
15:23:28 <adrianba> ACTION adrianba to work with jerry to confirm the proposal in 22136 is acceptable
15:23:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Work with jerry to confirm the proposal in 22136 is acceptable [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-07-02].
15:23:46 <adrianba> Bug 22135 - Changing Source Buffers
15:23:53 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22135
15:24:04 <adrianba> paulc: now resolved
15:24:14 <adrianba> Bug 22134 - When do multiple SourceBuffers have to be used
15:24:27 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22134
15:25:07 <adrianba> acolwell: think need to go through an be more explicit - need to go back and make more clear
15:25:35 <adrianba> ACTION acolwell to update spec for bug 22134 by the next call
15:25:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Update spec for bug 22134 by the next call [on Aaron Colwell - due 2013-07-02].
15:25:46 <adrianba> Bug 22117 - Add a conformance section
15:25:59 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22117
15:26:11 <adrianba> paulc: Cyril says that he needs a little more time
15:26:21 <adrianba> acolwell: and i assigned the bug to him
15:26:54 <adrianba> ACTION: Cyril to propose text for 22117
15:26:54 <trackbot> Error finding 'Cyril'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
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15:27:15 <adrianba> Bug 22112 - Merge appendBuffer and appendStream text
15:27:24 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22112
15:27:39 <adrianba> adrianba: haven't got to this yet - bug is assigned to me
15:28:00 <adrianba> Bug 22110 - Javascript decoding data
15:28:07 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22110
15:28:12 <adrianba> adrianba: fixed this morning
15:28:28 <adrianba> Bug 22109 - Use of the word sequence
15:28:35 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22109
15:28:49 <adrianba> acolwell: just need to sit down and think about again - didn't get to it
15:29:13 <adrianba> Bug 21431 - Specify splicing behavior for text tracks
15:29:19 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21431
15:29:31 <adrianba> paulc: glenn responded and bug is marked resolved, fixed
15:30:24 <adrianba> paulc: we have 7 outstanding bugs and we know who is responsible for each of them: jerry, adrian, aaron, and cyril
15:30:39 <adrianba> ... once we have those fixed we will do CfC in TF to go to LC
15:30:52 <adrianba> ... suggest we use the rest of the time for the post pre-LC bugs
15:31:08 <adrianba> Bug 22432 - Allow SourceBuffer.appendBuffer to take ownership of the ArrayBuffer
15:31:16 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22432
15:31:43 <adrianba> acolwell: think this is from somebody at mozilla
15:32:38 <adrianba> acolwell: think i agree with this - so we don't have to do the copy
15:32:42 <paulc> Suggestion: add wording similar to that added to Web Audio's decodeAudioBuffer method: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/rev/ef43ae5230bf
15:32:55 <adrianba> acolwell: are there other apis that do this?
15:32:59 <adrianba> q+
15:33:09 <paulc> ack adrian
15:37:10 <adrianba> adrianba: in two minds about this: on the one hand this seems like a solution to a problem that often happens with arraybuffers
15:37:23 <adrianba> ... but on the other it's probably not something we're going to do soon
15:37:53 <adrianba> ... up to now we've assumed that changing the buffer while an operation is happening is undefined
15:38:13 <adrianba> ... and we might leave it that way so the spec reflects reality
15:38:39 <adrianba> acolwell: okay, not sure if they will object to a resolution that the spec doesn't imply copying
15:38:54 <adrianba> paulc: adrianba, should you respond to the bug?
15:39:51 <adrianba> Bug 22431 - HTMLVideoElement.videoPlaybackQuality should be a live object rather than returning a new object
15:40:01 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22431
15:40:14 <adrianba> acolwell: this is the discussion we had before about attribute vs. method
15:40:21 <adrianba> ... i responded in the bug
15:40:27 <adrianba> ... i don't feel strongly
15:40:37 <adrianba> paulc: maybe that will provoke a response in the bug
15:40:46 <adrianba> Bug 22430 - Handling multiple media element attachments
15:40:52 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22430
15:41:07 <adrianba> acolwell: believe we cover this case and it will probably be WONTFIX or WORKSFORME
15:41:23 <adrianba> Bug 22401 - [MSE]
15:41:29 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22401
15:41:40 <adrianba> acolwell: assigned to myself - editorial one word change
15:41:48 <adrianba> Bug 22371 - [MSE] Ogg byte streams
15:41:54 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22371
15:42:09 <adrianba> acolwell: will start by saying a little biased against ogg but will try to be fair
15:42:20 <adrianba> ... not sure if want to add another format to the spec
15:42:30 <adrianba> ... but each format has a constituency
15:42:44 <adrianba> ... wonder if now is a good time to specify a mechanism for other formats
15:42:56 <adrianba> ... so that we don't keep getting more and more added
15:43:01 <pal_> q+
15:43:14 <adrianba> ... what do we want to do to stop bugs for everyone's favourite format
15:43:24 <adrianba> paulc: there is a proposal in the bug too
15:43:31 <adrianba> acolwell: yes, i have comments on the text too
15:43:35 <paulc> ack pal
15:43:56 <adrianba> pal: is there any reason why additional formats couldn't be done in separate documents as long as MSE specifies what needs to be included
15:44:08 <adrianba> acolwell: that's the point i think we're getting to
15:44:19 <adrianba> ... we included formats originally to show how to support MSE
15:44:22 <adrianba> ... but this won'
15:44:30 <adrianba> s/won'/won't scale/
15:44:42 <adrianba> ... otherwise new formats will constantly block MSE getting done
15:45:08 <adrianba> paulc: acolwell, you were talking about responding - was that about specific things
15:45:16 <adrianba> acolwell: there are some specific things about the proposal
15:45:31 <adrianba> ... but the other task is maybe to define what a bytestream format spec looks like
15:45:44 <adrianba> ... so we can provide a different place to put this than in the main spec
15:46:09 <adrianba> paulc: could be an annexe in the MSE doc that says if you want to define a new format here is what you must and should do
15:46:15 <Zakim> -johnsim
15:46:19 <adrianba> acolwell: think we have the start of that in the first part of this section
15:46:25 <adrianba> ... we just don't say how you specify this
15:46:50 <adrianba> Bug 22329 - [MSE] TextTrack attributes settable in conflict with the html spec
15:46:59 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22329
15:46:59 <adrianba> 3
15:47:00 <adrianba> s/3//
15:47:18 <paulc> Aaron's response is in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22329#c1
15:47:21 <adrianba> acolwell: i responded a while ago saying this is intentional because we're extending for supporting DASH
15:47:48 <adrianba> paulc: suggest resolving WONTFIX - person can reopen if they don'
15:47:59 <adrianba> s/don'/don't like the disposition/
15:48:18 <adrianba> paulc: we've gone through all the bugs
15:48:32 <adrianba> TOPIC: Any other business
15:48:42 <adrianba> paulc: any other business?
15:48:50 <adrianba> ... lots of actions assigned
15:49:00 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
15:49:03 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:49:06 <Zakim> -glenn
15:49:29 <Zakim> -pal
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15:49:32 <Zakim> -adrianba
15:49:32 <Zakim> -Michael_Thornburgh
15:49:33 <Zakim> -pladd
15:49:34 <adrianba> paulc: adjourned
15:49:34 <Zakim> -davide
15:49:42 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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15:50:32 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:53:27 <adrianba> zakim, bye
15:53:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were glenn, +44.303.040.aaaa, [Microsoft], davide, +1.760.533.aabb, +1.831.457.aacc, Michael_Thornburgh, paulc, pladd, adrianba,
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