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14:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
14:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:59 <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2013
15:00:43 <chaals> zakim, who is here?
15:00:43 <Zakim> I notice WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has restarted
15:00:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Mark_Sadecki, [IPcaller]
15:00:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chaals, David_, MichaelC__, davidb_, davidb, IanPouncey, MarkS, SteveF, MichaelC_, Zakim, hober, trackbot
15:00:50 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
15:00:50 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:01:20 <janina> janina has joined #html-a11y
15:01:59 <Zakim> +??P8
15:02:13 <MarkS> agenda+ longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html>
15:02:14 <chaals> agenda+ identify scribe
15:02:14 <MarkS> agenda+ HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation
15:02:15 <MarkS> agenda+ Sub-teams
15:02:16 <MarkS> agenda+ Any Other Business
15:02:19 <chaals> zakim, agenda?
15:02:19 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:02:20 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:20 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:02:20 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
15:02:20 <Zakim> 12. longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html> [from MarkS]
15:02:20 <janina> zakim, ??P8 is me
15:02:21 <Zakim> 13. identify scribe [from chaals]
15:02:21 <Zakim> 14. HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation [from MarkS]
15:02:21 <Zakim> 15. Sub-teams [from MarkS]
15:02:21 <Zakim> 16. Any Other Business [from MarkS]
15:02:21 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:02:29 <chaals> zakim, close item 1
15:02:29 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:02:32 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:32 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:36 <chaals> zakim, close item 2
15:02:36 <Zakim> agendum 2, Alt Edits Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0014.html, closed
15:02:38 <MarkS> zakim, agenda?
15:02:39 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:39 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:39 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:02:39 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:39 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:02:40 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
15:02:40 <Zakim> 12. longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html> [from MarkS]
15:02:41 <Zakim> 13. identify scribe [from chaals]
15:02:41 <Zakim> 14. HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation [from MarkS]
15:02:42 <Zakim> 15. Sub-teams [from MarkS]
15:02:42 <Zakim> 16. Any Other Business [from MarkS]
15:02:43 <chaals> zakim, close item 3
15:02:43 <Zakim> agendum 3, Longdesc Status Update, closed
15:02:44 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:44 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:47 <chaals> zakim, close item 4
15:02:48 <Zakim> agendum 4, HTML5 testing, closed
15:02:48 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:48 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:50 <chaals> zakim, close item 5
15:02:50 <Zakim> agendum 5, Text Bugs (Continued), closed
15:02:51 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:52 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:02:54 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
15:02:55 <chaals> zakim, close item 6
15:02:55 <Zakim> agendum 6, Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;, closed
15:02:56 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:02:56 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:03:01 <chaals> zakim, close item 7
15:03:01 <Zakim> agendum 7, Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items, closed
15:03:02 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:02 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:03:04 <chaals> zakim, close item 8
15:03:04 <Zakim> agendum 8, (Overdue) Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open, closed
15:03:06 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:06 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:03:09 <chaals> zakim, closeitem 9
15:03:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'closeitem 9', chaals
15:03:15 <chaals> zakim, close item 9
15:03:15 <Zakim> agendum 9, Other Business, closed
15:03:16 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:16 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Judy
15:03:22 <chaals> zakim, close item 10
15:03:24 <Zakim> agendum 10, Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:03:24 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:24 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
15:03:30 <chaals> zakim, close item 11
15:03:30 <Zakim> agendum 11, be done, closed
15:03:32 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:32 <Zakim> 12. longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html> [from MarkS]
15:03:51 <chaals> zakim, agenda?
15:03:52 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:03:52 <Zakim> 12. longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html> [from MarkS]
15:03:52 <Zakim> 13. identify scribe [from chaals]
15:03:52 <Zakim> 14. HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation [from MarkS]
15:03:52 <Zakim> 15. Sub-teams [from MarkS]
15:03:53 <Zakim> 16. Any Other Business [from MarkS]
15:04:27 <chaals> zakim, take up item 13
15:04:27 <Zakim> agendum 13. "identify scribe" taken up [from chaals]
15:04:55 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Mark_Sadecki, chaals, janina, Judy
15:04:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:01 <janina> scribe: janina
15:05:10 <chaals> zakim, close item 13
15:05:10 <Zakim> agendum 13, identify scribe, closed
15:05:10 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:10 <Zakim> 12. longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html> [from MarkS]
15:05:20 <SteveF> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:05:20 <Zakim> +SteveF; got it
15:05:53 <janina> zakim, take up next item
15:05:53 <Zakim> agendum 12. "longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html>" taken up [from MarkS]
15:06:12 <janina> cn: Current review closes today
15:06:33 <janina> cn: Now tyeing up loose ends; New comments editorial
15:06:49 <janina> cn: Looking to produce another editor's draft tonight
15:07:27 <janina> cn: Assuming no new technical edit suggestion, CN will start a CFC based on the new editor's draft
15:07:59 <janina> cn: Thereafter, not expecting new tech issue, but ...
15:08:09 <janina> cn: Else, we need to focus on tests
15:08:51 <janina> cn: We need to show implementability of the spec--that it works
15:10:01 <janina> cn: Minimum Last Call is 60 days for RAND reasons
15:10:23 <janina> cn: Remaining question whether to fold back to HTML spec, or keep as stand alone?
15:10:43 <Judy> q+
15:10:45 <janina> cn: Personally, no strong opinion one way or the other on this
15:11:22 <janina> dm: Asking what the test looks like. Just a test page with longdesc on images?
15:11:30 <chaals> ack judy
15:11:45 <janina> jb: Want to speak to the question of stand-alone or back into the HTML spec ...
15:12:40 <janina> jb: Interesting question; many want it now; so a TR earlier than HTML 5 might satisfy many desiring to use ld
15:13:26 <chaals> q+
15:13:34 <chaals> zakim, who is making noise?
15:13:41 <janina> jb: On the other hand, it may be a problem in that we wouldn't be able to say: "All the core a11y is in the core HTML spec"
15:13:46 <Zakim> chaals, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:14:17 <janina> jb: Therefore, the more I consider this, the more I prefer to integrate LD back into HTML spec
15:14:17 <chaals> ack me
15:14:46 <janina> cn: Agree with the advantage, main desire now is to get it published
15:15:07 <SteveF> +1 to getting it to rec then looking at re-integration
15:15:39 <janina> cn: Shouldn't be that hard for us to move it first, then ask HTML to incorporate it
15:15:50 <janina> jb: Agree
15:16:07 <janina> cn: Any objections to that approach?
15:16:24 <janina> cn: OK. Perhaps a CFC on this ...
15:16:48 <janina> jb: Perhaps we should do the formality further down the road--at the CR stage.
15:17:35 <chaals> zakim, close item 12
15:17:36 <janina> cn: OK. We'll return to the CFC at some later point
15:17:36 <Zakim> agendum 12, longdesc spec status <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html>, closed
15:17:36 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:17:36 <Zakim> 14. HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation [from MarkS]
15:17:49 <chaals> zakim, take up item 14
15:17:49 <Zakim> agendum 14. "HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation" taken up [from MarkS]
15:18:43 <janina> cn: HTML-WG has a doc and a CFC on it. It identifies portions of the spec they believe don't need testing
15:19:03 <janina> cn: We're asked to confirm or disagree on any point from our a11y perspective
15:19:13 <chaals> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html which bits of HTML5 are so well implemented they don't need testing...
15:19:31 <janina> cn: We have a telecon scheduled 18:00Z today and next Thursday to review
15:20:15 <janina> cn: WG has also identified items they believe NEED testing; we should also do that
15:21:13 <janina> sf: Wondering about ARIA mappings testing plan
15:21:39 <janina> sf: Probably best if we take up testing
15:21:52 <janina> cn: They believe ARIA is all OK. Do we suggest testing?
15:22:03 <janina> sf: I'll look at that
15:22:37 <chaals> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/AB5704B0EEC35B4691114DC04366B37F24308013@TK5EX14MBXC296.redmond.corp.microsoft.com call for consensus in HTML WG on things that won't need testing
15:25:44 <chaals> zakim, close item 14
15:25:44 <Zakim> agendum 14, HTML5 testing and demonstrating interoperability for Candidate Recommendation, closed
15:25:46 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:25:46 <Zakim> 15. Sub-teams [from MarkS]
15:25:55 <chaals> zakim, take up item 15
15:25:55 <Zakim> agendum 15. "Sub-teams" taken up [from MarkS]
15:25:59 <janina> zakim, next item
15:25:59 <Zakim> agendum 15 was just opened, janina
15:26:47 <janina> js: Unfortunately, media can't meet until mid July
15:28:22 <chaals> q+
15:31:04 <MarkS> q+ to ask about full transcript
15:31:08 <chaals> ack me
15:31:18 <chaals> ack marks
15:31:18 <Zakim> MarkS, you wanted to ask about full transcript
15:32:08 <chaals> MarkS: Issue-194 transcript is specifically mentioned in plan-2014, and if we want to do something about that we need to get it on track
15:32:46 <chaals> JS: THat is one of the three tasks for the subteam. Might be better to run that as an extension spec. We don't seem to be able to get to consensus on that - vendors are simply stopping at an impasse
15:33:10 <chaals> CN: So we might expect two extension proposals?
15:33:21 <SteveF> email sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0049.html
15:34:01 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:34:22 <janina> cn: any other subteam?
15:34:29 <janina> jb: Should we close some subteams?
15:35:03 <janina> cn: It's why I ask as a general question, not specific team names
15:35:53 <janina> cn: If there are proposals to close specific subteams, that would be ok
15:36:01 <chaals> zakim, close item 15
15:36:01 <Zakim> agendum 15, Sub-teams, closed
15:36:02 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:36:02 <Zakim> 16. Any Other Business [from MarkS]
15:36:12 <chaals> zakim, take up item 16?
15:36:12 <Zakim> '16\?' does not match any agenda item, chaals
15:36:18 <chaals> zakim, take up item 16
15:36:18 <Zakim> agendum 16. "Any Other Business" taken up [from MarkS]
15:38:23 <janina> jb: Want to get people people to start thinking on HTML 5.1 as we are now closing 5.0
15:38:52 <janina> jb: Testing is certainly still ahead for 5.0, but we should also be thinking 5.1
15:39:10 <janina> cn: Asking SF whether there's a 5.0/5.1 diff
15:40:45 <Zakim> -SteveF
15:40:46 <janina> ms: Will be posting an accessible version of the WG doc shortly--one that doesn't just rely on color
15:40:48 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
15:40:50 <Zakim> -Judy
15:40:50 <janina> zakim, bye
15:40:50 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were David_MacDonald, Mark_Sadecki, chaals, janina, Judy, SteveF
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15:40:54 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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18:01:13 <MikeSmith> Zakim, list
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18:02:39 <MarkS> hi mike, we are in #html-a11y-test
18:03:03 <MarkS> the zakim code is 21191
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